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Don't double-space, please

Thank you for your contribution to Arthur Krebs. In the future, please try not to insert extraneous blank lines into your writing. Alynna 15:49, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Tracteur Chatillon-Panhard 1914.jpg

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Image Tagging Image:Janssen Jules.jpg

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Image copyright problem with Image:Krebs Electromagnetic-Gear 1896.jpg

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Image copyright problem with Image:Krebs Flector 08-1911.jpg

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Image Tagging Image:Krebs Carburateur 1902.jpg

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Image Tagging Image:Krebs Gymnote 1888.jpg

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Image Tagging Image:Krebs Portrait 1910-01.jpg

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Image Tagging Image:Krebs-Renard LA-FRANCE 1884.jpg

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Image Tagging Image:La France 7-vols.jpg

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Image Tagging Image:LA-FRANCE moteur-Krebs 1884.jpg

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Hello, Rbmn. You have new messages at Several Times's talk page.
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§everal⇒|Times 18:42, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Your edits

Hello, thanks for your edits, but please do not cite your own personal website in Wikipedia articles. Personal websites are not reliable sources on Wikipedia and adding references to your own work is an extreme conflict of interest. Instead, directly cite the sources where you got your information, assuming they are reliable per Wikipedia standards. I have undone your additions of references to your webiste. Graham87 14:54, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I put back the ref you added to La France (airship), as the article subject is directly relevant to the website ... but I'm not sure how I feel about the others, now that I've checked out the website more closely. Ref tags are not usually for photos, more for information. Graham87 15:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Non-free rationale for File:Krebs Portrait 1910-01.jpg

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The above also applies to File:Tracteur Chatillon-Panhard 1914.jpg. Now, it's quite possible that these needed to be treated as non-free when you first uploaded them, but that they might have entered the public domain since that time. So, you might want to ask about them over at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright to see if they are acceptable to reupload to Commons. In order for Commons to keep accept them, they would need to be within the public domain in both the United States and their country of first publication (which might be France). -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

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I'm not sure why you would claim this as your "own work" unless you're claiming that you actually took this photograph yourself. As I posted above, this might have lapsed into the public domain if it was taken and first published in 1910. Generally, the person taking a photo is considered to be the copyright holder under the copyright laws of most countries. So, if you didn't take this photo yourself, you can't really claim that you did. If for some reason you didn't take the photo but still are claiming it as your "own work", you should send a WP:CONSENT email to Wikimedia VRT for verification purposes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Given that I am a great-grandson of Arthur Constantin KREBS and that I represent the KREBS family, which wishes to make known the work of this ancestor to the international community by giving complete freedom for the use of his artefacts, what should I put as a right equivalent to "public domain"?

Philippe KREBS Rbmn (talk) 08:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

There are a couple of things you need to be aware based on what you've posted above. The first thing is that you're going to be considered to have a conflict of interest (or COI) with respect to anything written about your great-grandfather on Wikipedia. Because of this relationship and also because you also seem to be editing on behalf of the Krebs family, you shouldn't really be directly editing or creating content about your great-grandfather or any other family members on any Wikipedia page but instead should be primarily using article talk pages to make edit requests for any changes you feel should be made. There's more information about what's expected of COI editors found at Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Please read that page and try to follow the guidance it provides.

The next thing has to do with this particular photo and assessing its copyright status. As I posted above, it's generally the person who takes a photo, not the subject of the photo, who is considered to be the copyright holder of the photo; so, whoever took this photo of your great-grandfather would, in principle, be considered to be its copyrright holder. Even possessing a physical copy of a photo isn't normally seen as a transfer of copyright ownership from one party to another. Since this appears to be an extremely old photo, however, enough time may have passed for photo to no longer be eligible for copyright protection. In other words, the copyright has run out, nobody any longer has a valid claim of cooyright ownership over it, and it has fallen within the public domain. Under US copyright law, I believe the photo would most certainly be too old to be still eligible for copyright protection if it was taken and first published sometime around 1910 in the US. Things, however, get a little more complicated if the photo was first published outside of the US in some other country (e.g. France) because the copyright laws of that country may not be exactly the same as the US. This is why I suggested that you ask about the copyright status of this photo over at c:COM:VPC because there's a good chance that someone over on Commons might be able to help determine whether the file is now within the public domain. What you basically did when you changed the licesning of the file is claim that you are the copyright holder and that the photo is still protected by copyright. While I'm sure you meant well, this seems to be most likely not correct and possibly could even be considered to be a type of copyfraud by some. If it's the case that your great-grandfather somehow obtained copyright ownership over the photo, then that copyright ownership would've been transferred to his heirs or his estate upon his death. So, as an heir, it might be possible for you to upload this photo to Commons under a c:Template:PD-heirs license which is another form of public domain. Once again, though, the photo may now be too old to be eligible for any type of copyright protection which means there's no need to do such a thing. This is another reason why it might be wise to ask about this over at COM:VPC. Anyway, I know of a couple of Wikipedia administrators who are also administrators on Commons and I will ask one of them to take a look at this discussion. Perhaps they will be able to help sort this out. It's quite possible that the only thing that is needed here would be to change the file's licensing to an appropriate public domain license. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

A couple of things that have become known since my last post. Apparently, both this file and File:Tracteur Chatillon-Panhard 1914.jpg already exist on Wikimedia Commons as File:Arthur Constantin Krebs.jpg and File:Artillery Tractor Chatillon-Panhard 1914.jpg. The two Commons files were uploaded by other users and are licensed as public domain (though they are different licenses). One file was uploaded in 2015 and the other in 2017. Since files uploaded to English Wikipedia are local files, they can only be used on English Wikipdia; so, my guess is that someone uploaded the same files to Commons because they wanted to use them in articles on other language Wikipedias. I'm not sure whether the licensing for the portrait photo is correct (since that license assumes first publication in the US), but the licensing for the tractor photo looks OK at first glance. The fact that these files already exist on Commons might mean it's unnecessary to do anything more on your end, unless you disagree with the licensing of the Commons files. You could simply use these two files instead of the local ones you uploaded; you could then possibly request the deletion of the two local files you uploaded to English Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

​Hi again. I'm still trying to sort this out as you can see from User talk:King of Hearts#File licensing question. Someone actually uploaded one of the photos to Commons giving your website as the source. If you can clarify (to the best of your knowledge) when these photos were first published (please note "published" has a specific meaning when it comes to copyright), who took them (if known) and when that person died (if known), then this might be able to be sorted out. For reference, the two versions of these photos uploaded to Commons are claiming they're within the public domain (i.e. they're no longer protected by copyright and nobody (including your family) "owns" them anymore) which makes them fair game for anyone to use as they please. So, if you're going to try to assert a claim of copyright over these photos by licensing them as Creative Commons here on Wikipedia, then the Commons files may need to be discussed and possibly deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:09, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

So you can delete the version in the English Wikipedia. 2A01:E0A:AE4:6350:BD14:EB9:E316:1E4A (talk) 10:55, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

If you're Rbmn, please try to log in to your account when you post because otherwise things can get confusing. The file on English Wikipedia will eventually be deleted if its licensing can't be verified; so, if nothing is further is done and no WP:CONSENT email is sent into Wikimedia VRT, the file will end up deleted in a few days. The files on Commons also have questionable licensing as well, and these too may eventually end up deleted though for slightly different reasons. For the time being, they're OK but they may end up nominated for deletion if their licesning problems can't be sorted out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:11, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Again I wish this photo to be in the public domain. Since the English wikipedia version is no longer used by any page, it can be deleted. Rbmn (talk) 12:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

What I've been trying to explain to you is that you just can't want something to be in the public domain unless you can clearly establish that you're the copyright holder. You can't just declare something to be in the public domain if it doesn't satisfy whatever the criteria are for being in the public domain. In order for a file to avoid deletion on Commons, it needs to be freely licensed or within the public domain in the United States (because that's where the Commons servers are located) and in the country of first publication. Since copyright laws can sometimes very quite a bit from country to country, the more information you can provide about when and where the photo was first published, the easier it's going to be try and sort out its licensing. Do you know when and where the photo was taken, and who took it? Do you know if it was ever c:COM:PUBLISHED (e.g. in a newspaper or some other periodical)? Do you know when the person who took it might've died? Do you know whether the person who took the photo formally transferred its copyright to your great grandfather? Without knowing more about the provenance of this photo, there's a good chance that it will also end up being deleted from Commons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:02, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

To my knowledge this photo of Krebs was published for the first time in 1924: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k54150172/f9.item.r=krebs

Also to my knowledge, when you ask a photographer to take your picture, you buy all the rights attached at the same time, otherwise there would be a lot of possible claims on identity photos and wedding photos... Rbmn (talk) 16:39, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Was the photo taken in 1910? The file is referred to as "Krebs Portrait 1910" and I'm just curious as to why you gave it that name. When the photo was actually taken isn't as important as when it was first published (unless the photo was never published), but just curious about the 14-year difference in dates.

Anyway, if it was first published in 1924, then that would seem to make it old enough to be eligible for public domain status in the US since works first published outside the US prior to Janaury 1, 1927 are now, for the most part, considered to be within the public domain under US copyright law. In addition, the book you've linked to above appears to make France the country of first publication, which is also a good thing since France is in the EU and works first published prior to January 1, 1952, have a good chance of being within the public domain. If the person who took the photo is known and it can be demonstrated that that person died before January 1, 1952, then the work would've entered the public domain on Janaury 1, 2022. This is because the EU copyright law follow a 70-year rule for post mortem auctoris (or p.m.a.) which allows copyright protection to continue for 70 years after the copyright holder has died. For this claim to be made and be accepted by Commons, though, who the photogapher was and when they died need to be known. If whoever took the photo has never been known, then it could still be within the public domain under EU copyright law because truly anonymous works for which the author has never disclosed their identity or whose identity has never been known are only eligible for copyright protection for 70 years after first publication. This, however, is harder to demonstrate since it basically means the person taking the photo would've needed to remain unknown up to January 1, 1995, for the photo to now be within the public domain. Since Commons requires that a public domain image be as such under both US copyright law and under French copyright, the "unknown status" of the copyright holder could be a problem for Commons. Do you know whether the Revue aéronautique de France gave attribution to the photos it used? Some publications attribute photos directly on the page the photo is used, but others do so on a separate page near the end of the publication. If attribution was given somewhere, then that could be a way to find out who took the photo and thus figure out whether Commons can keep the file.

Another possiblilty could be to keep the version you uploaded and have the version on Commons be deleted instead. This is because photos uploaded locally to English Wikipedia can only be used on English Wikipedia and thus only need to be public domain under US copyright law for English Wikipedia's purposes. Commons photos are "global photos" in the sense that they can be used by all the different language Wikipedias (e.g. French Wikipedia) and it's for that reason that Commons requires its public domain files to be so in both the US and country of first publication.

Your last comment about asking a photographer to take your picture being a transfer of copyright is not totally the case. For sure, you can hire someone to take your photographer and part of your agreement with them might include them transfering any claim of copyright to you (many people do create works as part of their jobs under a work for hire type of agreement), but this isn't always the case (at least not under current US copyright laws). Wedding photographers and other professional photographers often retain the copyrights of the photos they take; they sell physical copies and re-use licenses to the subjects of the photos, but almost always retain the primary intellectual property rights unless they officially transfer them to someone else. For photographers who take such photos, there could be quite a lot of commercial value inherent to the photos that goes beyond the money they intially receive for taking them; photographers could use these photos as a form of business promotion reasons and other things depending on the copyright laws of the country where the photo was taken or any separate agreements they may have entered into with the subjects of the photos. So, even paying someone to take your photo doesn't automatically mean you're also paying for all of the rights to the photo. Back in the day, photographers often retained the negatives of the photos they took so as to retain control over their creative output; these days they might retain the "digital negatives" over the photos they take for the same reasons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

I've been discussing this file with a Wikipedia and Commons administrator who knows a lot about file copyright matters. Based on the Revue aéronautique de France publication date of 1924, he converted the file's licensing to {{PD-US-expired-abroad}} for local use on English Wikipedia; so, the file is no longer tagged for deletion and it should be OK. There's never any 100% guarantees when it comes to something like this, but things should be fine. The Commons file, however, may need to be deleted because the file's copyright status in France is still unclear and the photo most likely won't enter into the public domain in France until 2031. I will replace the Commons file currently be used in the article with the one you uploaded and you shouldn't need to do anything else with respect to the photo. File:Tracteur Chatillon-Panhard 1914.jpg, however, still needs to be sorted out so any information you can provide about the provenance of this photo would be helpful. As I posted above, whoever uploaded File:Artillery Tractor Chatillon-Panhard 1914.jpg to Commons got the photo from your website, but there's no indication where you got the photo. If you remember where you got it or whether it was previously published somewhere else, then that could help sort things out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

The "File:Tracteur Chatillon-Panhard 1914.jpg" is a postcard published in 1914. Rbmn (talk) 13:34, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again for clarifying things. Based upon the information you provided and the information on your website, the administrator I mentioned above has gone ahead and re-licensed the tractor photo as well so that it should now be OK. The copyright status of photo with respect to the country of first publication, however, is still unclear; so, the version uploaded by someone else to Commons might end deleted. Just use the local file you uploaded if you want to use the photo on any articles on English Wikipedia. If you or someone else wants to use the file on some other language Wikipedia, then they most likely will have to make sure it's clearly OK for Commons before doing so. Finally, thanks for you patience and understanding through this entire process. The purpose wasn't to try make your Wikipedia experience difficult or unpleasent; it was just trying to make sure there were no issues with the files you uploaded. Please do, however. refer back to the early on in the thread when I mentioned Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Since the Arthur Constantin Krebs is your great grandfather, you should try and follow the relevant policies and guidelines whenever adding or creating content about him or his work on English Wikipedia. Other language Wikipedia may provide similar guidance as well, but English Wikipedia is pretty vigorous in applying its and you'll increase your chances of avoiding trouble if you follow the relevant policies and guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

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Please note that articles are not allowed to be left sitting in redlinked categories, such as Category:Arthur Constantin Krebs or Category:Clément-Panhard vehicles — articles may be filed only in categories that actually exist in order to have articles filed in them. As I've now had to come back in to remove the page from nonexistent categories three times in the space of just two weeks, please be advised that there's not going to be any more Mr. Nice Guy about it — if I ever see either of those categories back on the list of redlinked categories that have to be cleaned up for a fourth time, I'll be disabling your ability to edit the page at all anymore. Bearcat (talk) 21:30, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your first message I received.

These categories ares existing:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Arthur_Constantin_Krebs

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Clément-Panhard_vehicles

So the question is : why are they redlinked ?

May you helpful on that matter?

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Panhard & Levassor racing automobiles

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:57, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Panhard & Levassor vehicles

A tag has been placed on Category:Panhard & Levassor vehicles indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:57, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:René Panhard

A tag has been placed on Category:René Panhard indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Steam engine inventors

A tag has been placed on Category:Steam engine inventors indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:59, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Categories

Hello, Rbmn,

On Wikipedia, categories exist in a hierarchy with all categories having parent categories that integrate them into the hierarchy. You created a lot of orphaned categories that have no relationship to the millions of other categories on the project. Also, pages in User space and Draft space do not have article subject categories assigned to them. Categories are assigned to drafts once they are moved to the main space of the project.

So, please do not create lots of categories that only exist for an article you are working on. They are likely to get tagged for deletion either through speedy deletion or Categories for Discussion. If you have questions about categories, please bring them to the Teahouse. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:27, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

You added 54 categories to the draft you are working on in your sandbox. That's insane! You'll need to cut that down to 5-7 categories that define the individual, not a list of every fact about their life. Even Presidents and Noble Prize winners don't have 54 categories! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:42, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Rbmn. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:38, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

I am historian in history of technics (EHESS/Centre Koyré).

So I am doing an historian analysis on a biography.

Wikipedia is a huge tool for history because it allows all links between the facts and the subjects.

There is no commercial purpose on that work.

It is only a collection of facts and documents fully proved.

Let me know your feeling about that approach.

Thank you.

Rbmn Rbmn (talk) 14:05, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Clément-Panhard vehicles

A tag has been placed on Category:Clément-Panhard vehicles indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Forges et Chantiers de la Méditerranée

A tag has been placed on Category:Forges et Chantiers de la Méditerranée indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Société Nouvelle des Forges et Chantiers de la Méditerranée

A tag has been placed on Category:Société Nouvelle des Forges et Chantiers de la Méditerranée indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:10, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Category:Gymnote (submarine, 1888) has been nominated for deletion

Category:Gymnote (submarine, 1888) has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 17:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Category:Henri Dupuy de Lôme has been nominated for deletion

Category:Henri Dupuy de Lôme has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 02:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Sandbox

Please note that per WP:USERNOCAT, sandbox pages such as your User:Rbmn/sandbox are not permitted to be filed in mainspace categories as if they were articles. This is not a suggestion that you are free to ignore at your whim, it is a mandatory rule that you must follow. As the page has had to be edited numerous times to remove it from categories it isn't allowed to be filed in, please note that if it ever gets readded back to categories again I will be forced to disable your ability to edit it at all anymore. Bearcat (talk) 21:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

@Bearcat So please tell me how to solve the issue. Rbmn (talk) 07:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

You just don't file the page in categories. What's complicated about that? Bearcat (talk) 10:24, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Category:Parc aérostatique de Chalais-Meudon has been nominated for discussion

Category:Parc aérostatique de Chalais-Meudon has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

This category is now updated : 29 articles are referencing this category. Rbmn (talk) 13:16, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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