User talk:Raekelly

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~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright[edit]

Thank you for creating the article on Anna Rae-Kelly. Unfortunately, it seems to incorporate copyrighted text from Anna's website at www.annaprae.com. Said website has a clear copyright notice asking people to respect their copyright. Wikipedia obviously cannot accept copyrighted material. Please be very careful in the future not to copy material from other websites, books, magazines, or what-have-you. Text should be in your own words. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More about copyright[edit]

Ok, you say that you are the owner and author of www.annaprae.com, so no copyright infringement is present. However, I want to know if you understand what you are doing by submitting your text to Wikipedia. Have you read, and do you understand the Text of the GNU Free Documentation License? By submitting your text to Wikipedia you are agreeing to license it under all the terms in that license. You are allowing others to take your work and use it for any purpose, including selling and modifying it. On your website you have a copyright statement that says, "ARK Ministries respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our users to do the same." Wikipedia, however, does not ask anyone to "respect (its) intellectual property". Anyone is free to take Wikipedia content and reuse it however they wish, so long as it remains licensed under the GFDL. Now, if you really want to submit your work under the GFDL, that's great! But it would be really great if you could put something on your website saying that that text is licensed under the GFDL. You could also send an e-mail from an address associated with the website to permissions-en at wikimedia dot org or a postal letter to the Wikimedia Foundation. These messages must explicitly permit use under the GFDL.

Beyond the copyright issue though, there are still other issues with that article; namely, if you are Anna Rae Kelly, then that presents a conflict of interest. Please read the guideline on autobiographical enteries. Also, you really need to establish "notability" by citing published sources that are about Anna Rae Kelly that were not published or written by her. If you have such sources (say, magazine articles, books, newspaper articles, etc.) I'd be happy to help you format the citations if you need help. Just let me know. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

>>>> Firstly, thank you for taking the time and making such patient efforts to explain the wiki world view to me. I have not as yet read the document you reference but will do so forthwith (if not sooner!).

I am still trying to get use to this amazing new technology and greatly aprpeciate the time you have taken to lead me along the path. Couple of clarifying points:

(1) I own the www.annaprae.com website and Anna Rae-Kelly owns its contents. I also authored the text description and bio of the wiki artcile. AND... I am not Anna Rae-Kelly (please check my user profile!). However, I did receive her permission to write and post the wiki article.

(I hope you don't mind my inserting my responses here - I wanted to make it clear what questions I was answering) I'm sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought that you said you were Anna Rae-Kelly here, but looking at it again I see you didn't. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving

(2) I do not expect that the GFDL protocol you reference actually applies to the www.annaprae.com webstie contents. Right? It would be illogical to suggest that all hyperlinks from wiki articles to external sites make those sites open to your observation: "By submitting your text to Wikipedia you are agreeing to license it under all the terms in that license. You are allowing others to take your work and use it for any purpose, including selling and modifying it." I assume GFDL applies to the wiki article text only. Am I correct?

I'm sorry, you misunderstood me. I wasn't asking you to release all the content of www.annaprae.com under the GFDL, just whatever portion you duplicated word-for-word on Wikipedia. Of course linked-to websites don't have to be free of copyright, but the text used here does. Yes, the GFDL does indeed apply to the wiki article only - but if the wiki article is a copy of the bio on www.annaprae.com, then Wikipedia is violating the copyright of www.annaprae.com unless www.annaprae.com releases the bio under the GFDL. Make sense? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving

(3) I do not envisage allowing anyone to use the content of the www.annaprae.com website freely as the material therein is the result of thirty years of academic endeavour and is presented to public gatherings on a weekly basis. Has already been published in Scotland and is under copyright there. The recent material will also be available in Anna's book to be published in the Fall here in the US. Thank you for your invaluable advice on this important matter.

Again, you don't need to release anything but the bio, and then only if the bio is duplicated here. Obviously thirty years of work should not be released. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving

(4) I am working on improving the article and the notability issue. I have a number of texts, books and articles which Anna has written and articles written about her. I will hopefuly post these soon.

Good. If those are referenced in the article I'll help you fight to have it kept. If you need help with formatting references or adding the picture I see you uploaded of Anna, let me know and I'll be glad to help you with that. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving

All in all, this wiki environment is a superb communication tool and through good people like yourself, probably as close to free speech as many of us will ever get. Thank you for your help in all matters. Raekelly 17:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC) jrk[reply]

You're welcome. :) ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Carfin Grotto[edit]

Hi, Raekelly. As far as I can make out, you are the author of the majority of the article about Carfin Grotto. This is an extremely detailed and valuable article about this subject. However, much of the tone of the text was biased. Wikipedia has pretty strong rules governing this type of entry. For details, try looking at POV and weasel words.

What I did today was a moderate rewrite of the article. I tried to remove as much of the POV as possible, whilst still leaving a tone which is factual and neutral with a hint of positivity. Phrases like "visionary priest", "visionary zeal", "veritable multitude", "breathtaking depiction", and so on, have all been neutralised or removed.

I have left as much of the factual content unchanged as possible; however, one sentence was especially difficult to edit: "Parish priests from Canon Taylor to his successor Father, later Canon, George Mullen, and subsequent parish clergy led the Rosary from the parapet of the Glass Chapel from which both the full vista of the grotto could be seen and the progress of the snaking procession along the grotto's gravel paths could be observed." This sentence is, IMHO, too long, and changes direction halfway through (starts with priests, ends with procession). I have split it into smaller chunks for clarity.

It seems clear that you have a great admiration for Carfin Grotto, and I wanted you to be aware that the purpose of this revision was an improvement in the clarity and neutrality of the article, not any sort of implied criticism about your contribution to Wikipedia. I hope that you don't feel that any of these edits have been too strong.

I have left a discussion of my changes on the talk pages of the article itself. If you want to reply, reply there or on my talk pages.

Best regards.Preacherdoc 15:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free media (File:Grotto Central Scene.jpg)[edit]

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