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New outline

Looks like we have a new and talented outline editor, User talk:MeegsC, who created Outline of lichens. He contacted me for feedback on the outline, and I thought you might like to take a look as well.    — The Transhumanist   11:15, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Nice work. It might be worth investigating whether annotated links for taxonomic groups would improve the utility of the outline. The manual annotations make those parts of the outline with them more informative. I have not used {{annotated link}} for such a long list as the genera in this outline, so not sure whether the effect would be entirely positive, but I think it is worth checking. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:42, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

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Question from Narmerae (14:02, 22 August 2022)

Hi, I need you to direct me to someone who speaks Serbian because I can't really seem to find any Serbian people that are active. Reason for that so you can verify my sources. Best Regards, Matt --Narmerae (talk) 14:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Narmerae, Try Category:User sr Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
You may also find someone at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Serbia, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the suggestion I found help and I just need someone to approve my Draft and that is it! Narmerae (talk) 13:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Peter: Thanks for taking a look at the outline of lichens. It's great to get "non-specialist" eyes on it, to help us see where things aren't clear. Much appreciated! MeegsC (talk) 07:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Remember our conversation about short descriptions and their potential use in the outline? I rest my case. ;) MeegsC (talk) 08:06, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
It's Wikipedia, everybody is the expert. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 09:38, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Question from Feyza1907 on File talk:New York Eye and Ear Infirmary.jpg (11:00, 26 August 2022)

MERHABA --Feyza1907 (talk) 11:00, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Feyza1907, you will have to explain what you are looking for if you want an answer. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 11:18, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Probably something to do with this post on the Help desk today. WP:Help_desk#RAPOR. Can be ignored: those are the only contributions from that account. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:23, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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Question from William Tabufor (16:17, 12 October 2022)

Hello sir. I'm delighted to have you as a mentor. Please how do I post an article that has no reference yet? --William Tabufor (talk) 16:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi William Tabufor, I will be happy to help. Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability to understand what can be posted without a reference. However it is always desirable to provide at least one reference from a reliable source when first posting a new article, so that it is more likely to be accepted by the new page patrollers. If you are reasonably sure that you will be able to find sufficient references to show that the topic is notable by Wikipedia standards, you can create a draft in draft space, or in your own part of user space as a sub-article to your user page. If you tell me what the proposed topic is I could possibly give more specific advice. Also there is a small experience requirement before you can actually create an article in main space. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 19:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks for your reply and time. The topic is Microsoft office word new shortcut keys. I discovered there were actually some key combinations which aren't found on tutorials online. For example Ctrl + F3 functions the same as cut. And lots of other shortcuts.
However, maybe this isn't important William Tabufor (talk) 21:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Question from William Tabufor (16:19, 12 October 2022)

Hello sir. Please how do I start editing articles? --William Tabufor (talk) 16:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

  • Hi William Tabufor. When you find a place in an article that you wish to edit, click on one of the blue links after the relevant section header. They look like this [ edit | edit source ]. The first will open the visual editor, where you have a WYSIWYG system, and edit as if editing a document in a basic document editor, and the second will oprn an edit window where you can directly edit the wikicode, which is a bit more complicated, but very much more powerful for some functions. When you have finished the edit, or at any time you want to see what it will look like, click on the Show preview button, and when you have finished the edit, and are happy with how the preview looks, consider leaving an edit summary to briefly explain what you have done, then click Publish changes. You may already have done some of these things to leave me these messages, so some of this you will already know. Please do not experiment on real articles and then save changes. You can experiment in your sandbox which you can open from the link at the top of your screen. (if you are editing on mobile this may differ).
  • If you are asking what you can do to be useful, there are tasks from fixing punctuation and spelling errors through to finding references for uncited statements, clarifying content which may be confusing, correcting factual errors, expanding articles which do not have enough content, and creating new articles on notable topics which do not exist yet. Getting into things gradually is recommended. Read articles that interest you, or are within your field of knowledge, spot things that you can improve and fix them. Sometimes this may require some research. I hope this answers your question, but if it does not, try asking again, giving me more information about what you want to know, and maybe more on what you may be interested in doing. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 19:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    Thanks a lot. You've answered the most important parts of my questions. William Tabufor (talk) 21:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    Good morning Mr. Southwood.
    Your phrase 'Please do not experiment on real articles and then save changes.' got me scared because I edited a real article already. Please will my account be deleted? I would love an explanation.
    You also said 'You can experiment in your sandbox which you can open from the link at the top of your screen.' I don't understand this please.
    Question: I've not seen any article in my sandbox to edit. What do I do? Please. William Tabufor (talk) 06:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
    Hi William Tabufor. By experimenting I mean just making changes to see what happens. If you think your changes will improve the article, you are editing. That is acceptable. Even editing when you get it wrong is acceptable, as long as it is unintentional. Most people make minor errors all the time, and they usually fix them as soon as they notice, otherwise someone else will fix them. Making mistakes is normal - I am a terrible typist, and my eyes are not as sharp as they were, I miss typos all the time. Playing around costs other peoples time for no benefit. We claim this is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, which is reasonably accurate, but to do it well takes some skill and practice. We try to respect people's time, but accept that sometimes a bit of time must be invested, which is why I am happy to mentor people who need and ask for help. Maybe one day they will be creating lots of good content, helping with maintenance, or any of the other things that it takes to build the encyclopedia.
    Your account will mot be deleted. I am not even sure if it is possible without some help from the technical folks at WMF. If people do things that are against the rules, they get asked to stop. If it is obviously intended to do harm, or they don't respond to the request they may be blocked from editing for a period until they realise what they were doing wrong. If they persist in doing things that damage the encyclopedia or are antisocial they may get banned and permanently blocked. We try not to be unreasonable, and expect our other contributors to also not be unreasonable.
    Your sandbox is a place to test out what will happen if you do things while editing. If you need some content to experiment on you can copy something from just about any article and paste it in your sandbox. Then experiment on it. When you need clean space again, delete it all, or as much as suits you. There are a few things you should avoid leaving in your sandbox as they can affect the maintenance systems. We do not use mainspace categories in sandboxes as they put the sandbox into lists where it does not belong, but if you do it by accident it will probably be fixed by an editor or a bot who will leave you a message telling you what was done.
    On Wikipedia we are generally pretty informal. It is totally acceptable and the default to address anyone directly by their user name, as that is how they choose to be known, or if they use an alias, by that, so calling me Pbsouthwood is the most formal we would normally be, I use the alias Peter Southwood too, which is my real name and which displays in my signature, so it is also entirely acceptable to use it to address me, and I have no objection to anyone calling me Peter if they are polite. Sometimes we use initials or an abbreviated username, but usually with people we are on good terms with over a long time. As it happens I am male, and am commonly addressed as Mr. Southwood off-wiki, so it is entirely acceptable, just not really necessary. We do not use people's real names unless they are also their user names, or aliases they have authorised on their user pages, or as signatures. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
    Ok.wow! You've really helped me to understand a lot in just few days. Thanks so much.
    Please what's 'mainspace category?' William Tabufor (talk) 14:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
    The learning curve is at it's steepest right now, but it never flattens entirely. There is always more to learn.
    There are several WP:Namespaces for different purposes. A page in mainspace is an article, article talk pages are in talk space, user pages are in user space, category pages are in category space etc. every page has the space identifier as a prefix, followed by a colon then the page name, except mainspace which has no prefix, so your user page is User:William Tabufor and your talk page is User talk:William Tabufor and Category:Underwater diving is a category page listing articles about underwater diving, and subcategories of underwater diving. Most of this stuff is quite logical and intuitive once you know it exists. It is mainly a matter of remembering it when you need it. Mainspace categories are the system of database records for keeping track of mainspace articles by their relationship to each other, and for maintenance categories, which keep track of things like article quality and which pages include certain templates, or tags indicating problems. It is fairly compex, and one tends to learn these things when one needs to know them, usually after a bit of a search involving luck and guesswork, and the help pages and project pages, which are useful when you know they exist. Sometimes it is easiest just to ask, and there are also places to do that, like the WP:Teahouse and WP:Help desk.
    Are you editing from a tablet or smartphone on mobile view, or from a desktop or laptop on desktop view? Knowing that would make it easier to explain some things. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 18:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
    Thanks for always replying me to my satisfaction. Good evening. I'm editing with a smartphone. William Tabufor (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Question from DDXIEvan on User:DDXIEvan/sandbox (23:28, 19 October 2022)

I just drafted an article...but I cant seem to insert a picture, how do I do this? --DDXIEvan (talk) 23:28, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

DDXIEvan, The first step is to find a suitable image on Wikimedia Commons, or to upload an image to commons which is free licensed. Do not try to use an inappropriately licensed image. The easiest way to import the image to the draft is to click on the icon at the top of the commons file page labelled "Use this image" with the 'W' icon, indicating that it is for use on Wikipedia. That will open a dialog box offering two options - thumbnail and image. Copy the link in the thumbnail option an paste it into the draft where you want it, and save.
There is extensive information on inserting and formatting images at Help:Pictures and Wikipedia:Images. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 04:25, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Question from William Tabufor (13:23, 15 October 2022)

Good day Mr. Southwood (please permit me to always add the Mr. to your name because I can't just talk without that). Ok my question.... I edited some information and published in the sandbox, really I was waiting for a reply from the reviewers. But it's like nobody saw what I edited. Why? Secondly, I was waiting to learn something from what I edited, but everywhere is so quiet till now. I don't know why please help. --William Tabufor (talk) 13:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

William Tabufor, No problem. It does not bother me.
Your sandbox is not reviewed, it is a place for you to experiment and create private drafts. It will be checked by bots that you do not contravene the terms of use, but that is about all. If you want some comment on what is in it you need to ask someone to take a look. I took a look, but it is not clear what you want to do there and what you would like someone to check. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 16:40, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks. I'll try again.
Good day! William Tabufor (talk) 10:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

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Question from Dantfraz (22:15, 12 November 2022)

Hey Pbsouthwood,

Thanks for being willing to be a mentor. I had one question — I'm wondering if you have any good rule-of-thumb principle for knowing when information is too tangential for an article.

For example, I just added a section called "Use as an Academic Metaphor" on the Marble Cake wiki page — because there are multiple academic fields that use metaphors to marble cake to describe concepts. I feel like it doesn't cross the line, but maybe it almost steps up to it.

So, do you have any good insights into how you know if something is accurate and true info, but just not worth including in a main article about something?

Thanks in advance :) --Dantfraz (talk) 22:15, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Dantfraz, Firstly when asking a bout a specific example, please link to that example so the person you are consulting can find it easily and be sure it is exactly the correct item. In this case it would be Marble cake#Use as an academic metaphor.
Ask yourself: Is the information relevant, is it encyclopedic, is it suitably referenced, and is this the best place to put it? If you are reasonably confident that the answers to all of those are yes, put it in. If in doubt, you can ask on the talk page and maybe get other opinions. Adding the information and asking on the talk page is also good. In my personal opinion, the metaphor seems apt, is adequately verifiable by reliable references, and someone may well consult our article to find out about this usage, so I would rate it as an improvement.
In passing, we do not capitalise in section titles except for initial letter of the title and initial letters of proper names. This is explained in our WP:Manual of style. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 06:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you so much for this feedback! I appreciate your willingness to correct me and give me insight while I'm learning the ropes here. I'm really enjoying doing this work.
So, in the future I will A) make sure to link the content I'm trying to get a consultation about, B) consider the relevance/encyclopedic quality of material before adding to a page, and C) brush up on the WP:Manual of style.
Thanks again for the tips! Dantfraz (talk) 17:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hello I want to change my username , how can I do it ? --Gyaan ki gareebi (talk) 12:04, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Gyaan ki gareebi. Instructions on what to do can be found at Wikipedia:Username policy#Changing your username, The rest of the page provides information on username policy on English Wikipedia. Depending on why you want to change your username and what you want to change it to, some of the information there may be relevant. Since I know nothing about your motivations or plans, I cannot give you much more advice, but if you read the policy and need to ask about something, you are welcome to come back with a specific question, and I will help if I can. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:21, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, glad to hear That, am Jonathan+3GMT I WANT TO PUBLISH INFORMATION ABOUT COMPANIES IN UGANDA BUT I DONT KNOW HOW --Ssali Jonathan (talk) 09:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello Ssali Jonathan, Firstly, ensure that the companies are notable by Wikipedia standards, this means that they must be specifically mentioned and discussed in more than one reliable source that has no connection to the company, like a newspaper, magazine, television show or independent news website. Once you have established notability you use the information from these sources to write an encyclopedic article about the companies. You can do this in draft space or in a user sub-page. It is strongly recommended that you do not create articles on topics where you have a conflict of interests. Any business in which you are employed or have complete or partial ownership would be considered a conflict of interest, and you should declare any conflict of interest on your user page and the talk pages of the affected articles. If you are paid to edit, or edit as part of your or job you are obliged to declare this in terms of the conditions of use of Wikipedia. When you think the page has enough information you can request review, and an experienced editor will look at it, suggest improvements, and if they find it complies with the requirements, they will move it to main space.
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I will also point out that writing in all capitals is regarded as shouting at people on the internet. We do not do that, as it is considered impolite. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 10:06, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Also, do not publish your biographical information on other users' talk pages. That is inappropriate. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 10:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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how to create sockpuppet ivestigation page --ArmyOnceBlinkMidzy (talk) 05:32, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

ArmyOnceBlinkMidzy, I suggest you start by reading Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. That page also links to other pages explaining what to do in various circumstances. If the information on those pages is not sufficiently clear, you can request further clarification on the talk pages. If all that fails, you can ask me again with a more specific question. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 06:44, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Furston525 on Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2019 August 21 (04:11, 13 January 2023)

Hey! question for you any idea how i can edit the main logo on a wikipedia page? The company rebranded and I am trying to put the up to date logo on the page. --Furston525 (talk) 04:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Furston525, I am not sure I understand your question correctly. If you are referring to the logo of an organisation which is the topic of an existing Wikipedia article, which is displayed on that page, probably in an infobox, then it depends on the copyright status of the logo you wish to substitute, and the evidence you can provide that the logo is the current logo of the organisation.
The most common case with company logos is that the copyright is owned by and reserved by the company, and can only be used on Wikipedia under the "fair use" conditions. A "fair use" image must be uploaded directly to Wikipedia as a low resolution file, complete with a "fair use" rationale, and may only be used on the page for which that rationale applies. See Wikipedia:Non-free content for more detailed exposition. If you are confident that the fair use condition applies, the procedure for uploading a file to Wikipedia is described at Wikipedia:Uploading images. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 05:17, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
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Question from Nhnh15 (12:27, 16 January 2023)

Hi, I hope you're well.

I have submitted a draft article 'Joffe Books' which has been rejected due to 'straightforward' answers. I have resubmmited the draft with edits but if this is rejected again, please could you advise on how to edit? Many thanks! --Nhnh15 (talk) 12:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Nhnh15, It is standard practice to provide a link to any article under discussion for the convenience of the person consulted. Sometimes even a permanent link, if the version might be important (things cahnge) I will have a look later when I am done with some edits I am busy with right now.
First impression: Clean up your references. Bare links give a really poor impression and are considered bad practice, as if a bare link breaks it cannot usually be fixed without the additional data normally associated with a citation.
Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:38, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Manliket (16:24, 27 January 2023)

Hello - good to 'meet' you virtually! I didn't realize I had been assigned a mentor which is great as I have been finding Wikipedia editorial processes a little confusing! --Manliket (talk) 16:24, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Manliket, welcome to Wikipedia. You have joined us at an unusually confusing time, as the default skin has just been changed, and as is usual with new software, it is full of bugs, so even the most experienced of us may occasionally be unfamiliar with a new problem. These problems may or may not affect you, depending on what you choose to do here, and there is a huge range of options. My preference and expertise is mostly in writing content on technical and scientific topics. Others specialise in maintenance, but most of us do a bit of whatever looks like a good idea at the time. There are a number of rules and lots of advice on how to produce good quality content, but mainly you do what you can, and collaborate with anyone else working on the same things, to a greater or lesser extent. Be nice to others, and they will mostly be nice to you. We are allowed to make mistakes, but are expected to stop making the same ones again once someone has explained them to you. When in doubt, ask. There are many people who can help, and the biggest problem is often knowing who to ask. The Wikipedia:Teahouse is a good place to get help, and you can ask me. If I don't know the answer, I will usually know where to find it or who to ask. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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