User talk:Pat Bolan

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Hi. I have moved your page "Long-term Depression Proposal" into your user space at User:Pat Bolan/Long-term Depression Proposal as it is not (yet) an encyclopedia article; you can work on it there. More information in an hour or so. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

As you may have noticed, new articles added to Wikipedia are scrutinized in a detailed and somewhat aggressive way. "Long-term Depression Proposal" is not really what we term an "encyclopedic" topic -- the encyclopedic topic that I think you're approaching is something like "Biochemical causes of long-term depression". (If you imagine yourself a student looking for information, that's a title under which you would look for it -- not something associated with a "proposal".) At any rate, the proposal itself has properly been moved into your user space as noted above. What I would like is your agreement that the proposal itself does not currently belong in what is called "article space". If you agree, the current proposal can be deleted from "article space" and remain in "user space" until you are ready to re-mount it under a more "encyclopedic" title. The reason I'm asking for your agreement is that otherwise it will be a lot more work for a volunteer to remove it, because every such removal must be justified by Wikipedia policy; it's possible that a number of people will have to have a discussion for a week about the precise ways in which the proposal violates Wikipedia policy. However, with your agreement, I can delete it immediately and you won't waste anyone's time.

We welcome your additions to Wikipedia and I will assist you if I can. I'm an administrator here, which merely means I have access to a more extensive toolkit than the average user and have demonstrated that I'm familiar with Wikipedian policies and procedures. If you would like help, either specific or general, you can click on the word "talk" after my name and leave a note on my talk page; I'll respond as soon as I can or put you in touch with someone who can. You can also pass this offer on to your fellow students. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

You may also find the article at Biology of depression to be of interest. I"m not sufficiently expert to know if "Long-term depression" is a subject that fits within the taxonomy of DSM-III, but by tracing links from the disambiguation page found at Depression you may find guidance as to a way of expressing your topic's title in a way that conforms within an existing taxonomy. Again, if I can be of assistance, feel free to leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Long-term Depression

The article Long-term Depression has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

incoherent - another version has been moved to userspace for the article creator to work on to make it more acceptable.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. noq (talk) 18:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

More information

Sorry I didn't make my "hour or so" target, but I see others have contributed. If you agree with deletion of the Long-term Depression version of your paper, you can save us some trouble by placing {{db-author}} (two curly brackets each side) at the top, which is Wikipedia-speak for "author requests deletion." The other version is in your user space at User:Pat Bolan/Long-term Depression Proposal. One advantage of having it there is that you can develop it undisturbed: once it is in article space, other users can and will edit it, because no Wikipedia article is owned by anyone.

The Welcome paragraph at the top of the page is rather overpowering, though it contains lots of useful links: for first reading I would suggest:

• The Five Pillars
• Your First Article
• WP:Cheatsheet and WP:How to edit a page for details of formatting and markup

One problem that often occurs with articles written as student assignments is that the whole point of many student papers is to put forward a new idea, or to combine existing sources to advance a new point of view. Both these are against Wikipedia policy, and you should read and understand:

• No Original Research including particularly the section headed "Synthesis"

I am assuming that this is a student project, if so see

• Wikipedia:School and university projects
• User:Jbmurray/Advice

and, in case s/he is not already familiar with them, please point your supervisor to the two above, and also to:

• Wikipedia:School and university projects/Instructions for teachers and lecturers

One last point: Wikipedia accounts must be for individuals, so your two colleagues will need to set up accounts of their own. There is of course nothing to stop you all editing the article, even while it is your user space. If you have any questions, leave a note below here; I will watch this talk page. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

JohnCD has kindly given you some very relevant advice, particularly the note on "Synthesis"; I note that your project is already on the Wikipedia:School and university projects page as number 4.20. I will also watch this talk page in case you find it more convenient to ask questions or request comments here; you can also leave a note on my talk page. Please don't hesitate to ask on any topic about which you require explanation or assistance; we're here to help you. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)