User talk:Nitsansh/Archive 4

Re:End of leagues

I actually have had the Bulgarian league page open on my tabs for a while...I just put it off while I was watching the cycling! Thanks for the reminder! Cs-wolves(talk) 00:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

That's the recently finished ones done. :) Cs-wolves(talk) 01:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Need help with Israel at the 1974 Asian Games

Hello Nitsansh, I was advised by User:Mohsen1248 to contact you in this matter. I made this article and due to lack of proper sources, I even don't know in how many sports Israel participated, and other basic things that should be in this kind of article. If somehow, you know any proper source where I can find these things then it would be really helpful, thanks and regards. — Bill william compton^Talk 14:19, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Bill

I have several books on the history of Israeli sports. They have details of all Israeli athletes in Olympic and Asian Games until 1992 (the first edition is from 1975, the last from 1995). There is also detailed description of the expulsion of Israeli from Asian Games in the late 70s. These books are all in Hebrew and based mainly on Israeli sources, so may not be neutral on that matter (although one of the author is a professional historian).--Nitsansh (talk) 17:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:343k...

See if you can trim some of the fat down. Say for instance the basketball games...We don't need every placement match linked to its actual location on its article page. I'll have a look later to see if some can be trimmed in detail. Cs-wolves(talk) 14:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Got rid of about 1800 bytes so far, but I feel a bit more can be lobbed off the page. I know having every stage of a basketball/volleyball etc. tournament linked to its article location is much cleanlier, but I feel, that the main contributor to the bloated page sizes is them in particular. It would be interesting to see how big the page would be if all links such as "15th place match" were removed. I'd say 50,000 bytes + would be removed, but I don't want to do any hasty moves on the article itself in case it gets frowned upon... Cs-wolves(talk) 20:13, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I suggest that only medal games should be reported in junior/youth championships.--Nitsansh (talk) 20:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Yep, agree with you on that one. We are giving them more importance than what we should... Cs-wolves(talk) 20:47, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

How about eliminating preliminary stages of various club competitions? Who really cares about a match between teams from Andorra and San Marino?--Nitsansh (talk) 20:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...I think we could get rid of the preliminary stages with less than 10 teams. All it adds is how a certain team got into the next stage. But I think we could get around that. Cs-wolves(talk) 20:47, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Did some purging of junior tournaments, file down to 312K... but this is not enough, we should look for more aggresive means...--Nitsansh (talk) 22:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Some of the equestrian can go without doubt. There's a fair deal of that on the page. Cs-wolves(talk) 23:50, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I know too little of that sport to decide what's important... I think we should discuss that with the guy who puts then every week...--Nitsansh (talk) 23:56, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I only know dressage and vaulting. Four-in-hand driving? Couldn't tell you. Remove Surfing? Can't say I find that important enough for the portal... Cs-wolves(talk)

Under 312k. Just under 10% lobbed off...Getting there. Cs-wolves(talk) 00:21, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Super Cups in P:CE/S?

There are many of these this time of year... where do we draw the line? What's in and what's not?--Nitsansh (talk) 22:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I was tempted to remove it, but I don't know; I think we should include notable Super Cups. The bigger leagues in the world, we should limit it to. English Community Shield would be accessible to most viewers, but not the Romanian Super Cup for instance, which was played last week or the week before, I do believe. That Italian one is probably notable due to the fact it was played in China. [Why, I will not hazard a guess to, no matter how bizarre it is.] Cs-wolves(talk) 23:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Regrding Super Cups... if we have the Italian and English, certainly the Spanish should be in as well... and what about the German and French? (both allready played last week). Are they important enough? (Germany is stronger than Italy according to UEFA ranking) Where do we stop? What about Portugal (tommorrow I think), Russia (was played in March), Ukraine, Netherlands, Turkey... Do we stop at 3,4,5,10? and what about other continents?

Hmm...Top five in each continent would probably the best option. Greater balance worldwide. Just to keep the page sizes down. Cs-wolves(talk) 23:58, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Top 5 in Europe is fine with me... I don't know how about other continents... the only non-European leagues that are regularly reported in the media here are Brazil and Argentina... I don't think we should go beyond that... in CONCACAF the top 2 are certainly USA and Mexico... in Africa I think South Africa is important for English wiki, but what else? in Asia I would take Australia and Japan... in Oceania maybe New Zealand... but I'm not going to do a comprehensive search for dates of these countries unless I have too much free time...--Nitsansh (talk) 00:12, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

If you have the time and will...

• 2011 Trophée des Champions (France) - played in Tanger, Morrocco. Italy is not alone...
• 2011 DFL-Supercup (Germany)

--Nitsansh (talk) 01:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Both have been added to the July page; that Lille-Marseille game must have been ridiculous to watch towards the end... Cs-wolves(talk) 02:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Friendlies in Scotland?

PS: Off-wiki question... what's the deal of several PSL teams playing friendlies this weekend (Rangers vs Chelsea and 2 others) and postpone their league matches? Are they so important that no other date could be found without disrupting the league schedule?--Nitsansh (talk) 22:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the friendly situation, with the earlier start this season, teams were able to opt out of a set of games to play in a friendly or friendly tournament, as Celtic did last weekend. The SFA believe that this will be the only season it will happen, but I'm not too sure. Cs-wolves(talk) 23:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

About the SPL mess... I noticed that it started very early, a week or even 2 than usual... does that mean the season is scheduled to end earlier, or a longer winter break? and another question regarding Super Cup... did the Scottish FA ever considered that? It seems that Scotland is one of few countries that never had it... well, Scottish are strange creatures, aren't they? :) --Nitsansh (talk) 00:12, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Two weeks earlier than normal, if I remember correctly. The reason why was to give our teams a better chance in Europe [still have three teams left for a change!] and to reduce the number of midweek fixtures in winter, but there is no winter break surprisingly. As much as it would be a lucrative draw for a team to do well in either the league or cups, it would nearly always be Rangers against Celtic, and it's not as if we have enough of those derbies a season! Cs-wolves(talk) 00:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Another P:CE/S question... what about the Euro shooting champ'ships?

It's on the ongoing events list for a while but so far no one bothered to report the results... we do this kind of events, don't we? this is also the last Olympic qualifying event for European shooters except for 10m (air) events that will be contested only next spring in Finland. With no world championships in rifle and pistol events (only shotgun) this year the continental championships are the top event of the year. In this championships there are senior and junior events. What do you think? Should we report both of them, only seniors, or none?--Nitsansh (talk) 02:41, 7 August 2011 UTC)

Seniors would be a certainty, yeah. Up to you if you want to include the juniors however, as I'm unsure... Cs-wolves(talk) 03:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Mountain Bike Euro Champ'ships (Cross country)

Also... what about this? [1]--Nitsansh (talk) 13:25, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Same point goes for the mountain bikes I think. Junior races would be included, if it was a world championship rather than a European one. Cs-wolves(talk) 13:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

So seniors only in European/continental champs, seniors+juniors in world champs. Does that rule apply to all individual (Olympic?) sports, or do you think any sports deserve an exception? IIRC, last month we reported on Euro juniors and/or U-23 in athletics......--Nitsansh (talk)

Athletics championships should be an exception, as some athletes may already be notable outwith, and same with football. Cs-wolves(talk) 16:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

As with non-major football leagues and cups, I don't follow junior champ'ships regularly unless they are reported in the media (TV or sport papers in Israel), and that happends for most sports only when Israelis win medals... which of course shouldn't be a criteria for English wiki in general and PCES in particular... --Nitsansh (talk) 13:57, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Athletics... Only a few junior athletes are notable enough to merit a wiki article... but they may be in the future...--Nitsansh (talk) 17:59, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

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It'll all be different when the Olympics comes along and we include the mountain biking. ;) Cs-wolves(talk) 12:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

There's no question that the Olympic competitions will be reported here... but my policy is that world championships also deserve an entry, and that's what has been done in most cases... what we're dealing with is the championship of the most important continent which in many sports regarded as the second most important cometition on the calendar... and speaking of the Olympics... IMO we are allready approaching the final strait, and many of the championships this year decide whether athletes will qualify for the Games...--Nitsansh (talk) 14:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Well... It appears that the second-tier event for mountain bike is World Cup rather than continental championships... the latter don't even have general aeticles here, so the folks who contribute to mountain bike articles probably know better... this year there is one WC remaining in XC (the only Olympic discipline) this weekend before the final WC for all disciplines the follwing week. The world championships are only 3 weeks away. I suggest to report these events.--Nitsansh (talk) 14:53, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with the reporting of the World Cup final. Cs-wolves(talk) 15:26, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Re:A small request...

Sure, anything to help! Cs-wolves(talk) 18:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

P:CE/S: What to do with the Universiade?

This is arguably the most important multi-sport event after the Olympics, Paralympics and Youth Olympics. How should we cover it?--Nitsansh (talk) 20:55, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I only know about the adverts in relation to the event, but apart from that, my knowledge of the event is rather limited. I had a look back to the 2009 event, and how it was reported on the portal, and it appears it was restricted to the medal matches. Don't know if that is any good when it comes to this year's event, whether there are more events, or whatnot? That's why I haven't put any results up from it, if there has been... Cs-wolves(talk) 21:04, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I also checked... the only sports that were reported were football, basketball and volleyball... it doesn't make sense to me... the program of the universiade is similar to the Olympics and on some occasions even bigger. Many Olympians are going there. After all, students are mostly in the 18-25 age range and this is the prime age for many sports..--Nitsansh (talk) 21:18, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I checked the program... there are 306 medal events in the Universiade (a few more than the Olympics) but only about 20 sports... which means some sports have non-Olympic events (such as 50m breaststroke, backstroke and butterfly in swimming). If we need two lines per each discipline that accounts for over 700 lines, excluding titles... do you think we can "afford" that? And if we do, will it better to split them by sports or put together under one title (as we did for the Olympics)?--Nitsansh (talk) 04:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

We're averaging about 4500 bytes per day so far for the portal, so there is a bit of space that can be filled by the Universiade. If we need to reduce the size later in the month, we can easily do that. I think we should be bold for now, and see how it goes. Cs-wolves(talk) 13:36, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

If you don't mind to do a time-consuming work that may be deleted later, it's fine with me... 4.5K per day is like 140K in a month, that doesn't sound too much... What about my latter question? all sports under one title or divide them by sports as usual? Whatever we decide now would be applied for other major multi-sport events... later this year there are Africa and Pan American Games... could you check what we did last year for the Commonwealth Games or Asian Games? I don't recall right now...--Nitsansh (talk) 13:48, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Commonwealth results were listed as one, under "multi-sport events" and the Asian Games done under separate headers per sport. I don't mind either way, but maybe the latter seems more suitable. Cs-wolves(talk) 23:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I lean towards multi-sport events... it saves a few lines because no headers are needed for each sport not already listed on a given day... I also suggest not to add a line like "athlete X wins his Yth title of the Games and Zth overall", unless something really exceptional happends... we had too many of these lines at the aquatics championships last month...--Nitsansh (talk) 00:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

P:CE/S: UEFA Women's Champions League preliminary round and other continental club competitions

And another PCES matter... what about the UEFA Women's Champions League? The preliminary stage has allready started... do you think we should treat it like we do with all men's continental club competitions? If you ask me, none of these should be covered until the stage where clubs from the big leagues enter them. For Europe, that's the third preliminary round for men and first knockout stage for women.--Nitsansh (talk) 20:55, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

And yes, that seems to be a good criteria for the Champions League for both sexes. The first knockout stage for the women seems to fit in with this time last year for the portal. So yeah, sounds good! Cs-wolves(talk) 21:04, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

If we apply the above rule on the women's preliminary round, do you have the time and will to check back for men's competitions and see if they meet this criterium?--Nitsansh (talk) 21:18, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Forgot to mention the Europa League; does the same go for that, i.e. third qualifying round? Cs-wolves(talk) 22:56, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I think it makes sense to start both at the same time. Actually, the teams from the top 5 leagues enter the Champions League only at the play-off stage, but in Europa league the lowest-ranked entries from the top leagues enter at the third round.--Nitsansh (talk) 00:21, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, seems reasonable. Cs-wolves(talk) 02:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

In the Copa Sudamericana, I think the teams from the top 2 leagues (Brazil & Argentina) have bye in the first round, and play between them in the second (that's how the second round has allready began while the first round is not over yet).

Drawn into the second round straight away, yeah. Brazilian ties first then the Argentines then the rest. Cs-wolves(talk) 02:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I think the first round in CONCACAF and Africa can go as well. In Asia, there are few preliminary matches before the group stage which can also go. The AFC Cup may be dropped completely (except for the finals) as it's a competition for the second tier countries. As the current season in Asia and Africa has already reached the last-8 stage, I suggest to apply these guidelines from next season, unless you have plenty of time on your hands to delete the begginning of the season about 6 months ago...--Nitsansh (talk) 00:21, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Would much rather apply it from next season, as you say, we are at the business end of both tournaments. Cs-wolves(talk) 02:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

There's also Oceania... if they have any preliminary matches prior to the group stage I would drop them... I think the Libertadores Cup also have some preliminary matches, but let's deal with that when the next season starts around February...--Nitsansh (talk) 04:10, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

There's no preliminary games for the Oceania Champions League; their competition gets underway with the group stage on the last weekend of October. Copa Libertadores has a preliminary first stage, when 12 teams play for the last six spots in the group stage. Cs-wolves(talk) 13:36, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

OK... so there's nothing to drop for Oceania... (maybe if it was my decision, it wouldn't have existed as a seperate confederation at all, in particular after Australia moved to Asia, but this is not my jurisdiction)... as for Libertadores, if the preliminary round only involves lowest-ranked teams I can happilly live without it...--Nitsansh (talk) 13:58, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

P.S. The Israeli champion ASA Tel Aviv managed to qualify for the knockout stage in UEFA Women's Champions League for the first time! Pity I couldn't report on that... but we won a medal in the Universiade by Guy Barnea also to cheer for... --Nitsansh (talk) 01:57, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

P:CE/S: Guidelines, editors manual etc.

Do you think it would be a good idea to create an article with the list of guidelines for editors? We have some policies on what should or shouldn't be included in PCSE, and how to format the entries... it adds up to many details that only regular editors are aware of, and putting them on a page could help new editors and avoid confusions... would you like to do it??--Nitsansh (talk) 14:13, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Guideline-writing is not my forté, but you could always ask Dale. We could always stick it into the edit notice for the page though, without the need to create a split page. Cs-wolves(talk) 16:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

If you mean the two lines on top of the page... that's where a link to such a guidelines page should be but the page itself is much too long for this... My writing skills aren't great either, but I am willing to help with the project... I'll ask Dale what he can do...--Nitsansh (talk) 17:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

What I ment in guideline/manual was to put all these details together on one article, so we could refer to them later and not have to discuss them every time... and in particular we can have a reference for new editors who are not familar with the rules... of course, anyone has the right to challenge them, it's not like the Holy Bible...--Nitsansh (talk) 14:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Ah sorry, I misunderstood that. Yeah, that seems to be more appropriate; if we draft it up in a Sandbox and work through the events, we will have a greater understanding on what to have and what not to have. I like the sounds of that. Cs-wolves(talk) 23:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

So we agree in principle... where do you like to do it: your place (sandbox) or mine...--Nitsansh (talk) 00:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I think you have a sandbox set up, don't you? May as well stick it there, to save another page being throttled on the Wiki server. ;) Cs-wolves(talk) 00:18, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Friends Life t20?

Is this notable enough to report the quarterfinals? I doubt it...--Nitsansh (talk) 21:34, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm guessing it had been included because we added in the knockout stages of the IPL. Personally, I've only done the Finals Day for it, which is semis and the final on the same day. I agree with you, mind you. Cs-wolves(talk) 21:37, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I would delete it. It's not even the top domestic cricket competition in England, isn't it?--Nitsansh (talk) 22:03, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Nope, that would be the County Championship. It's the only Twenty20 league, but that is no reason for keeping it on the portal.

We don't report on the FA Cup quarterfinals, or even the semis. Why should we do the FLT20 quarterfinals?--Nitsansh (talk) 22:03, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, totally agree. Cs-wolves(talk) 22:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I would keep only the finals of domestic competitions (final round in case of league system), the same as we do in football. Other top-tier (Test) cricket nations should get the same treatment, but someone would have to look for dates... I once put all the competitions into the "current seasons" sector but I rarely check for start/end dates, so they remain unvisible.--Nitsansh (talk) 23:08, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I added the three English competitions to the calendar. It appears that none of the other cricket nations have domestic competitions this time of year.--Nitsansh (talk) 23:33, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe there's another Northern Hemisphere tournament excluding England until the Champions League, might be wrong though. 00:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)~

FIBA Africa Championship and Women's African Volleyball Championship

Both championships start on Wednesday. Do we report them in full? These are senior continental championships for major team sports (IMO), with qualification for the Olympics (B'ball) or World Cup (V'ball) at stake. They will soon be followed by all other continental championships, so the same policy should be applied for all, unless you regard some continents notable and others not... what's your say?--Nitsansh (talk) 22:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think those should be in full. We do it for most sports, so we shouldn't be any different for those continents. Cs-wolves(talk) 22:42, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

So far I didn't find a schedule of the African V'ball champ'ship... there's nothing on the confederation website, and even google didn't help...--Nitsansh (talk) 22:52, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Until we find such a schedule, we hold off putting on the portal. Cs-wolves(talk) 00:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I once did a search and put all the B'ball and V'ball championships till the end of the year on the calendar. In other team sports the calendar is probably missing many events. IIRC, only Euro champs are on in field hockey and handball. RU World Cup is also on. What other sports should we treat the same?--Nitsansh (talk) 23:00, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to think of any other major events later in the year. I imagine there's one that's blatantly obvious and we're both forgetting about! Cs-wolves(talk) 00:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

If there are continental champ'ships that serve as Olympic qualifyers they should be listed on the relevant page of the 2012 Olympics. They might be in early 2012, though.--Nitsansh (talk) 01:33, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Yup, that seems to be the best source. Add football (how could we forget that?) and water polo to the list of team sports.--Nitsansh (talk) 01:49, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Most will be early 2012, but there still will be the odd 2011 event, I feel. Cs-wolves(talk) 02:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

If I have the time I'll put them all in the calendar, so we won't miss any event. BTW, I noticed that the PanAm Games serve as Olympic qualifyer for the Americas in several sports. The continents that are more likely to "pass under our radar" are Asia, Africa and Oceania.--Nitsansh (talk) 11:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

P.S. In case that tournaments are solely for the purpose of Olympic qualification, I think that we should only report on the stages that directly decide the qualifiers. IE final only in case of one qualifyer, semifinals if two qualify, etc. Sometimes there is direct qualification and also qualification for another qualifying tournament, so these places should also be reported IMO. What's your say?--Nitsansh (talk) 11:48, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Stages that have a qualifying purpose to either tournament. I think that's feasible. Cs-wolves(talk) 13:58, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, agreed. That applies to all volleyball qualifying tournaments that are scheduled after the World Cup in November, and is also a qualifying tourney. The continental championships that are all between now and early October are qualifyers to the World Cup so are also Olympic qualifyers in some sense. The last opportunity to qualify are world qualifying tournaments only next June. In basketball the official continental championships that are also between now and October are direct qualifying tournaments as well as qualifyers for the world qualifying tournament next summer. IIRC, a two-stage system also exist in handball and hockey. I need to check that further. --Nitsansh (talk) 15:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

2011 Women's African Volleyball Championship

Where do you find the results from this tourney?--Nitsansh (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey, i did not add the results, just the first match fixtures. Kante4 (talk) 19:46, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Where you find the fixtures you usually find results as well...--Nitsansh (talk) 19:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

At their official CAVB site, will check later to see if there is something, work now on afrobasket roster and results and forgot about that volleyball tournament, will do later. Kante4 (talk) 19:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Apparently, the source for day 1 results and day 2 schedule is this: [2]--Nitsansh (talk) 20:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

And here. Kante4 (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Day 2 results are available now. [3]--Nitsansh (talk) 23:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Too bad, it´s always very tough to find results to the african tournaments (Asian too). Kante4 (talk) 21:01, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Better late than never...--Nitsansh (talk) 21:05, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Earlier would still be better. ;) Kante4 (talk) 21:53, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Nothing we can do about it, I'm afraid...--Nitsansh (talk) 23:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

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Where do you find that the old scoring system is used in this tournament?--Nitsansh (talk) 19:22, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Here. Kante4 (talk) 19:32, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks--Nitsansh (talk) 22:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Hottest sports forum?

Hello Nitsansh. I have seen you are a very active user in the sports section. I'm the owner of an international forum about sports, where people from all around the world can discuss about results, news, informations, predictions and much more. We are particularly focused on Olympic sports and on London 2012, keeping the forum updated about all Olympic qualifications. We collect results, informations, medal counts from each event of each sport, from Modern Pentathlon Youth A Championships to Triathlon African Championships, from canoeing world cup to women's road cycling world cup. People from all around the world can follow all results, support their country and discuss about that. Would you be interested to take part in that ? OlympicFan (talk) 07:10, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

You left me a message about your forum, but failed to mention where I can find it...--Nitsansh (talk) 13:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey. Well I didn't tell you where you can find it intentionally :) First I would like to hear if you are interested. You know 99% of people answer "I would like to but i have no time to take part". It's not a job so you would choose how much time to spend on it, it's not a problem. So would you be interested ? Which nation do you support in sports ? :) Let me know. thanks ! Matteo OlympicFan (talk) 15:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

In principle it sounds good... but what's the deal with the secrecy? My team is of course Israel, and right now I watch the national artistic gymnastics championships with Alex Shatilov, who is one of our medal prospects in London... next week I'll be looking closely at the world judo championships which is one of Israel's top sports with several judokas looking for high ranking... and next comes world athletics championships, and European men's basketball championships, and U.S. Open in tennis, followed by Davis Cup tie vs Canada... and the European volleyball championships for women also coming up next month...there's hardly a dull moment... and I haven't mentioned football yet...--Nitsansh (talk) 15:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

That's very nice. No deal with "secrecy". After 5-6 months I try to find people everywhere, receiving 1 answer out of 100 people I contact, receiving thousands of insults etc. I have decided that the best "tactic" is to let the "costumer" talk a little bit before sending him the forum link. Anyway, this is the forum: http://www.hottestsports.com/forum.php . As you see we follow all international sport events, we will follow all sport events you mentioned (apart forisrael national artistic championships). the forum is very young and we still miss an Israelian supporter, so I really hope I have found it in you :) The main aim of the forum is to make sport fans from all around the world discuss about sports and support their own nation, being always updated about all sport events. Another aim is to take national newspaper's place, that usually covers only 1-2 national sports and all other sports are covered only during Olympic Games. Obviously we are very focused on London 2012 but we want Olympic Games to last all 4 years on the forum :) Let me know what you think. Thanks ! Matteo. OlympicFan (talk • contribs) 16:00, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll check that website and see if I can help...--Nitsansh (talk) 16:33, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I really hope to have you aboard. Let me know what you think. Thanks. Matteo. OlympicFan (talk) 16:41, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I already posted two messges....--Nitsansh (talk) 17:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, it will be up to people to decide if they prefer wikipedia or hottestsports. As the owner of the forum I don't have any "moral problems" to contact people wherever, forums, sites, social networks. As about credits, first of all I thought wikipedia didn't need credits if you copy it. Anyway, the site is based in China where privacy rules are so free that also IOC tired to contact me about Olympic pictograms and official logos and they had to give up :D So I doubt there are any problems with laws. Anyway I copy things from wikipedia too but I always modify them to make them better for the forum. Apart from that, i hope you like the forum and you will become an active user using our forum as the best source for sports informations. Thanks ! Matteo OlympicFan (talk • contribs) 17:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for revealing your moral attitude. As you say, let the people decide if they like such an attitude...--Nitsansh (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Don't take me wrong. I don't know if you ever have had some experiences with forums. With " I don't have moral problems" I mean that I register on Uzbek, Russian, Chinese forums and I contact people through private messages, I go on national sport newspapers and I post link to the forum, I contact people through private messages. I'm working 12 hours per day at the forum in these days, I think to be "disturbed" wih private message you can delete in 0.001s is not a so big problem. Also, nobody is forced to register, read, visit the forum. Also, how can I run a forum without contacting people ? Just waiting for people who will find it through google ? I have gathered more than 600 in 5 months through hard work, receiveing thousands of insults, with 1/100 message that have been answered, 1/1000 people who I contacted that finally registered on the forum. As about IOC, I don't like their attitude to search forums with 100 people (I had 100 users at that time) instead of thinking to more important problems, so I'm happy to keep those logos. As about wikipedia, you understand that I really can't edit all users' posts. I don't know anyway if in other forums and sites they always write the source.

Please try to understand me, I'm not a bastard, but I'm following the idiom "the end justifies the means" if you understand what does it mean. I really hope to have you aboard as a sport and an Israeli sport fan. Let me know. Matteo. OlympicFan (talk • contribs) 19:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

You'll see the answer on your forum...--Nitsansh (talk) 19:18, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Will you ever learn to sign your messages properly?--Nitsansh (talk) 19:18, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

It sounds like a threat :D I really don't know what (and if, maybe I just got it wrong) let it change your mind. I mean you registered and you have posted 2 very interesting the message, following the forum's true spirit. Maybe I got your last 2-3 messages wrong. If I can have you on the forum I would be VERY happy because you are a true ISR supporter and a sport follower, but if for you is a problem that we use IOC's logo and that I go around to forums and sites searching people (I underline I don't want to earn any money from that) believeing in that project, I really can't help it. Anyway I hope I just misunderstood and to see you soon on the forum to discuss and support ISR athletes :) Thanks ! Matteo OlympicFan (talk) 20:41, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey nit. Can I understand your position about that ? Are you interested ? Are you against my "methods" ? Are you aboard on the forum ? Let me know. Thanks. Matteo OlympicFans (talk) 21:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't owe you an answer. End of discussion.--Nitsansh (talk) 21:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand if you got mad for something in particular or this is just how you normally act (then I wouldn't be able to understand you well). At least tell me what should I do with your account. I would really like to have you aboard but I don't know why it seems like you got mad. Let me know. Thanks. Matteo. OlympicFans (talk) 21:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

This is my talk page and I don't want to discuss it here any further. Keep my account for the time being.--Nitsansh (talk) 22:05, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. I sent you a personal message on the forum and I hope we an discuss about that from there. Thanks. Matteo. OlympicFans (talk) 22:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

My talk page suggested behaviour

• If you start the discussion in my place, I would like to continue the entire discussion here.
• If the discussion started at your place, I would also like to continue it here...
• If you respond to a discussion I'm involved in at another place (either user or general TP) and I don't respond within 24 hours, please drop me a message here... since I routinely follow the articles I contributed to lately and might have overseen it...--Nitsansh (talk) 16:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC)