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A kitten for you

A kitten for you
I'm so sorry you're feeling bad. Sometimes things just seem to go pear-shaped, and all we want to do is hide somewhere. Do remember you're welcome to chill out on my talk page; my stalkers and I will always try to do our best for you. Take heart; this place isn't as bad as it sometimes feels! Pesky (talk) 12:42, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Chak de Fatte

A cool Lassi to chill you
Relax dude dont loose heart, I am glad to see that you have opened a discussion on the talk page, please check wp:DR , cheers ÐℬigXЯaɣ 14:23, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
Great image...of Agni-Vi missile range..keep it up... ƊṨṫƦⓘ₭ϱ𝝨Ƌǥɭϱ Ω 13:47, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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youll need to make some changes in the image. nice job ÐℬigXЯaɣ 16:45, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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  • again see the image i have uploaded --ÐℬigXЯaɣ 16:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Agni VI image

Great work on the image. But as you can see at Agni-VI, in the image File:Agni Missile Range comparison.png, i can barely makeout the outline/range of Agni 6 missile. Can you please do something to correct that. I will not suggest the color combinations as u'd be much better for that (my color sense isn't very good, you kno :P ). Anir1uph (talk) 00:07, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay I will try to correct that. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 05:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Me and Strike Eagle have made some suggestions (on the File Talk and User talk:DBigXray )about the colour, the colour of the land (continent) needs to be much paler than it currently is, and then the different agni ranges must be differenct shades of a reasonable colour,for eg sky blue? (yellow seems dull to me) see the link of the AGNI SVG image for a better colour for continents--ÐℬigXЯaɣ 07:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I saw, i messed it up. I rebooted the lappy and it worked. I think my browser cache had something to do with it. Anyways, now it's working. As for your other queries I have tried to give you an explanation in the file's talk page. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 07:59, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Its working...but the colours in the legend and in the image don't look the same.....why is that happening?.I don't think there is a need for any legend.The darkers shades are recognizable right? దṨṫƦⓘ₭ϱ𝝨Ƌǥɭϱ ™ 08:09, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I will wait until Aniruph and strike give their opinion on the colour, will not be commenting until then--ÐℬigXЯaɣ 12:07, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Let's comment at one place at a time. I have replied on the talk page, let's keep it there. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 12:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

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An ICBM for you!

The Intercontinental Barnstar
Thanks for the creation of the Agni-V and VI range projection image + for the discussion about the image!..:).. ƬheⱾtrikeҾagle ™ 11:43, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

RFC?

Please do not misuse the RFC process, This is not a Dispute Please read WP:DR if you have not read it. you can discuss here with me first--DBigXray 12:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Why do you think some outside feedback is not going to be helpful? Requests for comment (RfC) is an informal, lightweight process for requesting outside input. And I think we could use some. Cheers Mrt3366 (Talk?) 12:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)(edit conflict)(edit conflict)Please understand the Wikipedia:Consensus process, and how things are done. WP:RFC is not needed at this stage (I know what you are trying to say about RfC ). Just allow the talk page for a week and editors watching the page will comment. This is not a very drastic change that would need an RFC. People can see the discussion on the talk page. --DBigXray 12:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

 – Lets talk there please. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 12:08, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I have changed my earlier comment over there. please check it again check out Ways of Wikipedia:Consensus#Achieving_consensus --DBigXray 12:18, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

List of ICBMs'-RfC

If you really feel that an RfC is necessary..please go ahead with it.Don't continue your comment war with DBigXray.I agree it was a mistake of DBigXray..but..I advice you to cease it now.You are a great contributor and both of you have worked together in many instances.Please! Thanks! ϮheⱾtrikeΣagle ™ 15:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Agree mistake--DBigXray 15:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Not just your mistake...mistake is from both sides.....however closed the discussion now. ϮheⱾtrikeΣagle ™ 16:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Agree mistake--Mrt3366 (Talk?) 07:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

 Done-Dispute(between users) Resolved Glad both of you came to a compromise.Looks like my useless diplomacy worked a bit.Have a good day ahead! ϮheⱾtrikeΣagle ™ 10:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

It was not useless. Thanks for your help. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:37, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

done

hi, i have moved the RFC section on top of the voting section so that others can vote.

I am out of this. I wont be participating any more. no hard thoughts. Please discuss and then decide. regrads--DBigXray 15:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I was not in my usual mood then :) --DBigXray 10:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Glad to see you have cooled down...eat this pie and have a good day ϮheⱾtrikeΣagle ™ 10:37, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

hmmmmm......yummmy. Wow I like it. Thanks dude. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Most welcome... TheStrikeΣagle 11:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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please cool down dude...:)...... ϮheⱾtrikeΣagle ™ 13:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you

A kitten for you
Hey there is no need to feel bad! Sometimes things just seem to go bad, but you are an awesome contributor and have done a lot of good work here! I hope i can count on you to come out smiling and willing to assist on improving the List of ICBM page, as a lot of work has to be done there! Anir1uph (talk) 00:42, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

You can count on me. I am not going to back down anytime soon. I have learnt how to become impervious to unavoidable issues with other editors while interacting with them. I see DBX as one of my net-buddies. Don't you worry. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 07:23, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Great great! I just saw the "Leaving Wikipedia" and "wikistress" tempate on your talk page and i sprung into action! :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anir1uph (talk • contribs) 10:00, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
It's there for other reasons and DBX knows that. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:00, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox

Its preferable to copy content in your sandbox or a user subpage, and then work on it.

you should also post a link to your subpage/sandbox on the article talkpage discussion informing others to take a look at it and make changes if they desire --DBigXray 10:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Agree ϮheⱾtrikeΣagle ™ 10:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Why not do it in the article subspace rather than my own userspace? That way anyone could be able to change the content without hesitation. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 18:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

thats also correct, just choose one and proceed. :) --DBigXray 06:29, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

  • I hope now you have understood the reason for my suggestion about userspace above. I wasnt in any mood to argue with you above, and wanted you to try it yourself :) --DBigXray 08:21, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • You can work on your list and when it is complete. We can decide if we need to use it as a seperate article or merge it or replace it. --DBigXray 12:42, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
No, I don't understand. You expressly wrote, "thats also correct, just choose one and proceed. :)" with a smiley. I did not know that it was some innuendo. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 12:57, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Ok I am clarifying, I was aware that some user could point out if you did it in article subpage directly thats why I asked you to use sandbox(or userpage) in the first place. But you disagreed and wanted to do it on article space, saying that others may not edit YOUR sandbox. so I said ok you can go ahead (because it was not a bigdeal),and hoping that no one will protest over that, sadly someone did notice it. but The main issue started here because the user who moved it to article space was of the view that it deserved a separate article while it was still under construction. The best thing to do was to let it be completed and then discuss whether to replace merge or use a separate article. --DBigXray 15:01, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • "I was aware that some user could point out if you did it in article subpage directly thats why I asked you to use sandbox(or userpage) in the first place." - You should have clarified earlier, that would have helped.

    "But you disagreed and wanted to do it on article space" - No, I didn't "disagree" or argue with you. I simply asked you the reason behind your suggestion of using my User-space as opposed to article sub-space. That's all. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 15:11, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

  • You should have clarified earlier my past experience between us shows that any explanation gets elongated to a lengthy debate, and this issue did not deserved one. So I told you to give it a shot. as both cases had their own merits and demerits and it was not easy to clearly justify one over the other. You can place a message on top of your user page that other are welcome to modify and correct ur page. cheers--DBigXray 15:26, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
  • "You can place a message on top of your user page that other are welcome to modify and correct ur page." - I already have, "You are welcome to assist in its construction by editing it as well." Mrt3366 (Talk?) 15:35, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

DBigXray has given you a dove! Doves promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day happier. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a dove, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past (this fits perfectly) or a good friend. Cheers!

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I like it, cheers! Mrt3366 (Talk?) 15:11, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
I think both criteria for a dove are satisfied here --DBigXray 15:28, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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  • again--DBigXray 15:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  • new one--DBigXray 20:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Have a beer on me :) Irondome (talk) 06:48, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Very welcome! Irondome (talk) 08:34, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

So that you can carry on your civil discussions.

Just a note , please check WP:V WP:OR, WP:SYNTHESIS , WP:RS and wp:SPS . They will help you to improve your discussion and editing. cheers DBigXray 15:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I went through all of them multiple times. But have I done something to make you feel that I'm violating them? Just curious (Because I am unsure if this is an innuendo)! Mrt3366 (Talk?) 15:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Nah, just to make sure that you are perfectly aware of these. Actually it helps the discussions a lot if you can help the other party by naming or wikilinking policies so that the discussion moves in the right direction. Iron is new here, so I left a similar message at his page as well. Good to see both of you collaborating. cheers --DBigXray 16:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Fine then dude. Cheers! BTW, it would help more, however, if you (being as experienced as you are) take a more active role in the discussion on the page. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 07:50, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Actually I am too afraid of you --DBigXray 15:29, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
ooooooo.....I'm flattered. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 07:46, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
--DBigXray 08:12, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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  • Excellent work on the ICBM table! Irondome (talk) 13:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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Request for comment on my latest contributions

If I left a {{talkback}} template on your talk page then your comment is more than welcome in this regard,
but if I didn't, even then your comment is of great import here. Thanks for your time. -- Mrt3366 (Talk?)

Check out these two major edits and tell me if they are valid:

  1. diff1
  2. diff2

Mrt3366 (Talk?) 18:22, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Your edits are fine. IMO, you are an experienced editor, who makes good contributions, so you needn't ask anyone to review your edits. On a side note, i am thrilled at this news. :D Thanks for this! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 19:38, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Also, would you like to update other related pages where/if needed, i.e all pages that mention Agni VI? I start doing so where ever appropriate. I'd like you to join. Thanks! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 19:44, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
    • As a reply to your first comment, I would just say, thank you very much; you (and few others) have been a great support to me all this time .
    • And for your subsequent request, I think I already accepted it, didn't I? Enjoy. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 08:32, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
  • No Probs at all! TheStrikeΣagle 15:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Mrt3366 (Talk?) 17:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC) [22:38 19 July 2012 (IST)]

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Proposal for renaming National missile defense

Don't worry I will move this discussion to TALK:National missile defense after we come to some sort of a conclusion here. ————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
Proposal:
I propose that the article be renamed to National missile defense (United States) or US National missile defense.

Reasons:

  1. Impermanent claim: The provisionality of the claim that only US has a nation-wide missile defense is what makes the generic title unsuitable for a skewed article that focuses on the achievements and developmental strides of only one Nation. The temporariness outweighs the strict focus on US. This I think is a violation of neutral weight principle.
  2. Undue Bias: This article is strictly US-centric. It has only one sentence about Israeli defense system of similar kind, but doesn't say anything informative about Russian defense system and not even a sentence about Indian Ballistic Missile Defense Program (which is primarily dedicated towards the development of a Nation-wide missile defense system).
    This issue was last discussed on the talk page in 2009 and then someone claimed that "No other country than the U.S. has such a system (with the marginal exception of Israel)". But that scenario is seemingly very provisional today.
  3. Size: This article is already too long to host information about the Israeli defense system or the attempts by Russians & Indians to develop NMDs for their respective nations.
  4. Ambiguous term: “National Missile defense” is just the umbrella term for referring to US missile defense system, but the problem arises because

      A. it conveys a concept that is valid for every other nation and
      B. carries a literal meaning too.

    Hence, the claim that United states has Nation-wide Missile defense is only figuratively true. The system was declared "operational" by the US-administration. Plus there have been failures. Read here. Besides, here Russia claims to have tested a new type of intercontinental missile that can outwit the missile defenses.
    As a side-note, if the claims of US scientist are credible enough then, ideally speaking, the claims by Israeli or Russian or Indian scientists should be regarded as sufficiently credible also.

  5. Near-impossible preconditions for intended effectiveness:
    Talking of effectiveness, the proposed NMD intended to protect the United States only, will not work without the use of radars in Europe or in territories controlled by European countries this mandates an almost impossible geo-political step of placing the radars closer to the expected enemy launch sites.

    US Secretary of Defense William Cohen acknowledged the centrality of European allies to the NMD system during a July 2000 Senate hearing. When asked if it was possible to build an effective NMD system without European support, he replied the answer at this point would be no. . . If you don’t have forward-deployed X-band radars, then you can’t see the missiles coming.” Read more here.

Mrt3366 (Talk?) 08:33, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Seems fairly reasonable. I support the disambiguation --DBigXray 09:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry I corrected it, Mrt3366 (Talk?) 15:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
I totally agree with the proposed changes. I saw this article a while back, and was concerned at its apparent tunnel vision with regard to the rest of the world. Irondome (talk) 17:04, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Then it means we have achieved unanimity here. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 17:21, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 – as promised earlier Mrt3366 (Talk?) 07:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Comparison of ICBM

Regarding what we discussed on the talk page, i will make certain changes and show u. Little busy these days, so will do so in some time. :D Anir1uph | talk | contrib 16:34, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

No worries on that. Take your time. Wikipedia is not going anywhere.

BTW, what to do about the Dmuc guy? His edits are not properly sourced and some even look like disruptive speculations. Any suggestions?
Should we wait more? Mrt3366 (Talk?) 16:41, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Yup i saw his edits too. Perhaps a gentle reminder whenever he makes a mistake, adding a citation needed tag on possibly correct material (using our own judgement to assess what may or may not be true), and reverting the rest. And asking on his talk page to provide his sources... :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 17:58, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
And i just saw his talk page! Wow! The comparison table of his edits, that is brilliant! You seem to be taking care of it really well :D Anir1uph | talk | contrib 18:01, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Mrt3366 (Talk?) 19:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

August 2012

Thank you for your contributions. One of your recent contributions has been reverted or removed, because it contains speculative or unconfirmed information about a future event. Wikipedia has a policy called "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball", which discourages such edits. Please only add material about future events if it is verifiable, based on a reference to a reliable source. Thank you. [[User:Opinedsenior (talk) 10:33, 2 August 2012 (UTC)|Opinedsenior (talk) 10:33, 2 August 2012 (UTC)]] [[User talk:Opinedsenior (talk)|(Talk?)]] (UTC)

POV

* I have been called a "POV pusher".
  • I have been called "Vandal" and warned for a chimerical violation of WP:NPOV.
  • The editor who started the conversation has been blocked. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 14:25, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Dear Mrt I have removed your pov terms such as POK and your biased sources which you used on kashmir conflict article please be aware wikipedia is a neutral encyclopaedic source do not add biased statements and biased sources Opinedsenior (talk) 09:21, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Using terms such as "POK" maybe normal for indians but for the international community its not neutral at all Opinedsenior (talk) 09:22, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Blocked Sock indef blocked
  • I disagree because it wasn't me who was calling it PoK, I have provided sources for it.
    And please don't comment here, comment on the appropriate talk page. This is not the right place to continue this discussion. Don't make it personal. I repeat please don't comment here. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 09:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Your unrelenting pov

I can offer you some advice your edits are clear pov pushing bordering on vandalistic edits you will be reverted by me or other neutral editors since you actually try to justify using pov terms like "POK" and adding unreliable sources is baffling me funny how certain established users are actually sanctioning your pov pushing Opinedsenior (talk) 10:31, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I am unsure exactly which diff you're referring to, but let me tell you this, whatever it is that you think I have done, be it pov pushing or vandalistic edits, may not be so just because I used "POK" in the article. And you might wanna visit the page assume good faith before ignoring everything I've just said. Thank you. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:49, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. For your unrelenting POV and removing sourced content and edit attacks on Kashmir Conflict 98.225.186.174 (talk) 10:58, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Of course, hahaha..cute. Stop abusing templates
Sorry, I didn't take it seriously. Now when I think of it, it seems to merit no reply from me. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 11:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This neither merits any reply nor does it merits keeping in archives. feel free to delete it, i would have done it myself but leaving it for you to decide. per WP:TPO. Also note I have removed the Personal attack by sock section from the Kashmir conflict as it was pure WP:TROLLing--DBigXray 21:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced descriptions of KT series missiles

(User:Mrt3366 changed the heading after giving it a thought @16:32, 27 July 2012 (UTC))

This section of DF-21 article is at best an unreferenced hoax and at worst a conjectural prank which has crept its way into ABM article.

What to do? Should we delete it? Mrt3366 (Talk?) 15:28, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

It is not harmful (not BLP), but i think it can be removed. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 16:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
"It is not harmful" - Okay, but what about verifiability? It currently says (although the wording is under discussion) that “No matter how convinced you are that something is true, do not add it to an article unless it is verifiable.” Mrt3366 (Talk?) 17:07, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/china/asat.htm

Any other refs you need today? Hcobb (talk) 10:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

First, let me tell you that I very much appreciate your endeavor to help.

Now, I have gone through the Global-security page earlier and yes, it does look pretty impressive. It's all well and fine but,

  1. The source does not say that KT series is a classified family of missiles that are designed to intercept ballistic missiles.
  2. It doesn't even mention other variants of KT-1 apart from SC-19 (i.e. KT-1A, KT-2, KT-2A, KT-3, etc) which are listed on the DF-21 article.
  3. Neither does it claim that there are other versions of KT under development
  4. nor does it corroborate the specifics (of KT series missiles) touted by the said article.

So what do you think? Mrt3366 (Talk?) 16:29, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

My bad. it's ASAT only, not ABM see:
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2010-02.html#mozTocId243268
Hcobb (talk) 17:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
(please take care while indenting)
  • Again, a really impressive page but it mainly focuses on ASAT capability (which is a bit easier than developing a real BMD shield). But that page says the following also,

China’s Cruise and Ballistic Missile Defence:

China does not have a strategic BMD system capable of intercepting an Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM), let alone a Medium/Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM/MRBM). The DF-21 [base model for KT-1 according to this page] is not suitable as the first stage of an Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) as it is too large and lacks acceleration."

— source
There is nothing about KT-1A, KT-2, KT-2A or any other variant of KT series. It further says,

HQ-9 TEL using the Taian TAS-5380 chassis.. may have some ABM capability, but it is kinematically inferior to the imported Russian S-300PMU2 Favorit

— same as the previous
Plus, Desmond Ball of the Australian National University while commenting on China’s anti-satellite (ASAT) test of 11 January, 2007 said:

“China's ASAT test of 11 January involved a fairly primitive system. It is the sort of capability available to any country with a store of MRBMs/IRBMs (medium range/inter-continental ballistic missiles) or satellite launch vehicles, and a long-range radar system, such as Japan, India, Pakistan, Iran and even North Korea. American satellites are lucrative targets in the Chinese strategy of asymmetric warfare.”

— source
Hence, I don't think ASAT test in reality proves anything. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 11:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

2007 Chinese anti-satellite missile test was kinetic kill and that's already a third generation technology. (1: Set off a nuke somewhere in the general area; 2: Set off a fragmentation charge nearby; 3: Hit a bullet with a bullet.) So the warhead is impressive, just not the launch vehicle. Hcobb (talk) 17:02, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

“Hit a bullet with a bullet.” - Yes but there are two entirely different scenarios
  1. Hitting one bullet whose trajectory is easily predictable (ASAT).
  2. Hitting a bullet which is laden with MIRVs, decoys, stealth tech and high maneuverability (highly unpredictable trajectory) (BMD).
  • I guess you misunderstood me. I should have been clearer. What I meant to convey is, I don't think that ASAT test proves anything significant in relation to the advancements in the ballistic missile defense.
  • That's off-topic anyway. Let's not digress too far. We're not talking about ASAT, but the claims about KT series and China's ballistic missile defense technology. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 20:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
Awarded to Mrt3366 for the great spirit of Teamwork and collaboration he has shown in the extensive discussion on the ICBM articles. Hope you keep up this spirit and continue your valuable contributions here. DBigXray 13:48, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

my talk

Thanks for your comment however it would be appreciated if you could comment on Talk:Kashmir conflict on the thread which is more suitable place. thanks--DBigXray 08:54, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Mrt please check out WP:CANVAS and keep this in mind when you leave messages on talk page of editors as other editors may accuse you. regards--DBigXray 14:37, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

SVG Conversion

Hi Mike ;) I have converted the Agni Range image to SVG and Uploaded it.Tell me if it was right.Cheers TheStrikeΣagle 10:15, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Where did you get the SVG from? Is it the original SVG? I couldn't upload it due to the terrible net speed, that's why I'm asking. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:52, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Converted using Adobe Illustrator....I'm not sure if that is what SVG version means.As of now I have a good speedy internet! TheStrikeΣagle 10:55, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh and where is the legends part? A legends table might help readers understand the image more clearly. Nice work by the way , Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:57, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 Done TheStrikeΣagle 11:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Nothing better than your design Mike! Please remove the depressed message from your edit-notice before I do it myself. Cheers TheStrikeΣagle 14:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I have added more stars to your page! TheStrikeΣagle 14:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't get that.

BTW, How does my editnotice look now?Mrt3366 (Talk?) 15:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

WoW!..Great to see I have helped you recover from depression. TheStrikeΣagle 15:52, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

BTW Really Sorry for having forgotten to credit you in the image.Glad you have already done it TheStrikeΣagle 16:01, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Don't mention it buddy. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 17:43, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
👍 Like your edit notice :) --DBigXray 18:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for mentioning me in your edit notice. :D I am glad that i could be of some help! Best, Anir1uph | talk | contrib 18:02, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh don't mention it. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 13:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence
Keep going! Irondome (talk) 00:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


E-Mail?

You don't have an email set? I tried to mail one but it rejected.Mention some alternate one now. :) TheStrikeΣagle 08:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done, Mrt3366 (Talk?) 08:25, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Send me a tb template again and I will report you TheStrikeΣagle 08:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

India and state sponsored terrorism

Re your comments in your edits & at Elockid's talk page, one cannot defame a nation :o) And truth be told you would be best advised to drop that term from your wiki vocalabury lest someone think lets get him blocked Darkness Shines (talk) 10:27, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry I could not understand your view fully. I gather that you're in favour of my edits and comments on Elockid's talk page. Please correct me if I am wrong here.

But, do clarify what exactly do I need to drop from my wiki-vocabulary? Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:35, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Drop the term "defamation" Trust me it will be used against you. Here is the guys full speech as you requested, I have also posted on the talk page.[1] Darkness Shines (talk) 10:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
  1. Oh I see, for the record, I was not using the term "defamatory" for legislative purposes. I was not legally threatening anybody. Anyway I struck it out.
  2. About the speech. I will paraphrase (see Wikipedia:QUOTEFARM) and reinstate the section. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:47, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Before you restore it see the talk page. Darkness Shines (talk) 10:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Request

Hi there! Please don't move my comments, I know where to place them. They are exactly there, where they are required. --SMS Talk 09:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. And I do not think that where you first placed (and now again put it back)
Really? --SMS Talk 20:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
—this comment is exactly where it was required to be. I think it could, or rather should have been placed just above the "proposal" sub-section, below Surajt88's comment at 09:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC). You come in 11 hours later (not to mention, with a new "source") and place your comment right in the middle of the discussion thereby mildly disrupting the course of the thread, is not how it is "required".

But thank you anyway. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 09:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

US missile defense programme article

How do you propose proceeding on improving this article?

It would seem to me to be useful in creating a table of active ABM systems, as in the excellent ICBM list, and seperate articles for each nation, an overview of development and ACTIVE deployment on each. Articles on nebulous concepts such as the American or European anti missile defense "concepts" should be avoided I think. The US one is viable but it needs a radical re-write. Any feedback welcome as always. Irondome (talk) 01:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

List of nations with serious anti-ICBM programs: USA. Perhaps a Missile defense in fiction article to handle the rest? Hcobb (talk) 15:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Missile defense in fiction would mean related to cinema and novels. Just saying! :D Anir1uph | talk | contrib 16:19, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
National Missile Defense yes. Irondome (talk) 17:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Okay, Let's comment on that on the talk page of National Missile Defense. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 08:28, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
  • @Cobb, I agree with Anir1uph here. It might indeed seem like a case of improper humor to some.

    Besides, what is your definition the word serious or its relevance so that you can only name USA as the only country having serious program is frankly beyond me.

    Do you mean others (i.e. scientists of other countries) are just not serious or dedicated enough, or do you mean that they are going out of their way to prodigally squander their crucial time and insane amount of taxpayers' money just for the sake of fun, that too in the face of imminent danger of a nuclear showdown? Come on, Mrt3366 (Talk?) 08:28, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

guys I am totally lost due to tangential discussions above. Can someone clearly write below what is the subject and aim of the discussion.--DBigXray 10:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I apologize in advance if it's because of me and I asked irondome (talk) (since he is the original proposer) to explain it to you. Thanks for your patience .

I think Irondome originally proposed that we change the content of the article National missile defense (the name which, I guess, he misremembered, and thus my first response is asking for clarification). He later confirmed that “National Missile Defense yes”.

He basically proposed that we instate a table (like in comparison of ICBMs) in the National missile defense, and I recommended moving the content first to somewhere else. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 07:48, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi hope all is ok. Sorry not to have got back earlier.
I simply propose a treatment similar to the ICBM table for current hardware, and linked articles- some of which may have to be created- for current national missile defence programmes worldwide.
My tech skills on Wiki are still nowhere near yours, so I may have to rely on you for technical/presentation skills. ( no way I could create a comparison table for instance, like your ICBM beauty :) ) However quite happy to research and support, and provide wordings/sources. I know quite a bit about Arrow, which is the most complete missile defence system ( as a strategic and OPERATIONAL existing infrastructure) in the world at the moment, in my opinion. Also India is running strongly in the same direction. Russia, China certainly. Israel has its own missile defence command, and is multi- layered for different threats. Moreover, Israel can claim over 80% of its land surface area is protected against SCUD/IRBM threats. Arrow 3 will provide a credible anti ICBM shield, as it will provide an anti MIRV capability, and a great interception range. An Israeli article would be an excellent addition to Wiki. I know you could provide an superb Indian missile defence article :)
Again, just thoughts, comment welcomed as usual mate. It could be an excellent series. Irondome (talk) 02:03, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
See also: Anti-ballistic missile and #Unsourced_descriptions_of_KT_series_missiles
  • Irondome, thank you very much for your appreciation of others' skill (I hope I'm included too ). I will inform DBX that you've clarified your proposal. I think, you do have a point there and I am happy to cooperate.

    However, I don't think that a table like we have in the Comparison of ICBMs article would be the best idea in this case. But, that's just my opinion, I'll let others decide what would be best and see if we could reach some sort of consensus here. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 08:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks for rephrasing Irondome, While creating the much needed NMD articles for other countries with corresponding names that they have for NMD is an excellent idea (you can start right away from your userspace.) I am not sure what can be added to ICBM like table here in the NMD article because the content matter of NMDis different than the ICBMs. --DBigXray 09:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
  • "I am not sure what can be added to ICBM like table" — Yup. I concur. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 11:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I think something like the ICBM table can be done for the Anti-ballistic missiles though I am not sure if it will be feasible or helpful, what do you guys think about this ?--DBigXray 14:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
  • how about a list of national missile defence programs? I do understand it would be a short list... Anir1uph | talk | contrib 16:34, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't know I have mixed feelings about this. I think that the article needs to expand its coverage to include other countries but then there is not much to say about the countries and I think it has been beautifully covered in the Anti-ballistic missile article.

So, any new ideas? Mrt3366 (Talk?) 16:55, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I will go with Mrt3366 on this then. We should avoid over-complexity. The Indian Ballistic Missile Defense Program article looks great. In reality a series of articles of that standard would do the trick, for the other nations involved. Maybe the Indian BMDP article can be tweaked a bit. For instance, is it a layed programme, with different systems to deal with different named threats, i.e short range, SCUD type, IRBM, etc? I see laser technology mentioned.
  • I think Anir1uphs' idea of a LIMITED list of systems is worth consideration too. Would laser technology-based systems go on the list too? It would make the list more educational and entertaining for the reader.
  • The Anti-ballistic missile article is good, but in an ideal Wikiworld :) a taskforce should be mustered to expand each national initiative to a full article. Some of the sections look a bit thin, and not up to current developments. That with a brief table of weapons would be the ideal. I would also hive the historical sections of the article off to its own page. Its just a dream, men! Irondome (talk) 18:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Be glad to help, time allowing. Irondome (talk) 18:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you, your help will be much appreciated here. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 08:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Human rights abuses in Azad Kashmir

In this content you added the text sourced to [2] here is to closely paraphrased, should you restore the Politics section I will revert it as a copyright violation. Rewrite it before you consider restoring it. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I will, thanks for notifying me. It was imprudent of me to leave it like that. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 09:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Rollback

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hello, following a review of your contributions, I have enabled rollback on your account. Please take note of the following:

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Congrats on the rights...use them carefully as they are very powerful(as RE said) ;) TheStrikeΣagle 12:40, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the word of caution, I will. I know I have to be more cautious now. Would you help me with that by telling me how and when to use it in your own words (I would be glad if you don't copy paste what wikipedia has on its article on rollback)? Mrt3366 (Talk?) 12:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Sure.Use Rollback only when the edit is obvious vandalism.Like [3] [4] [5] You may use rollback to revert if anyone blanks a page or section without mentioning in the edit summary.Be careful...the rollback button has no confirmation and it may get clicked by error like [6].Make sure you restore it in such cases immediately.Feel free to ask me any other doubts ;) Cheers TheStrikeΣagle 12:56, 12 August 2012 (UTC)C)

Few precautionary queries

As you might already know, I am a rollbacker now. I, however, wanted to know:

  1. What is the basic difference between main rollback and twinkle rollback?
  2. Can I use twinkle-rollback for reverting other kinds of (non-vandalism) edits or could it be a cause for the revocation of this privilege/right?
  3. What if I do it by accident?
  4. How to install huggle and use Stiki (download complete)?
  5. Is there anything, anything at all that I need to know before rolling back edits?

Thank you. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 12:58, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Answers

  1. Not much.But the Rollback button is handy and is easier to use than TW one.When you are a rollbacker..it is preferred that you use Rolback to indicate obvious vandalism.
  2. No.You may still use TW rollback if you wish to do so.It doesn't effect Rolback.
  3. Just revert the edit and if possible explain in the edit summary
  4. Download the app from WP:HUGGLE and create User:Mrt3366/huggle.css with text enable:true in it.
  5. Nothing much.Just revert vandalism with it. All the best! TheStrikeΣagle 13:10, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Answers

  1. Main Rollback is much faster, and does not give u a chance to add edit summaries.(so use it only for clear and obvious vadalism)
  2. yes of course until you are reverting to a better version its fine, but only thing is never not use it for WP:EW.
  3. Be careful and follow Strike above
  4. or try WP:STiki
  5. Read the admin's comment and WP:ROLLBACK--DBigXray 13:39, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Thank you as always. Just a quick question. How to install Stiki? (I have downloaded it). Mrt3366 (Talk?) 13:44, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
There is nothing like installing.Just login and you are good-to-go! TheStrikeΣagle 13:52, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
FYI, I don't have a 1000 article space edits, is it a problem?

Can I edit the article of my choice using Stiki? I can't seem to get a hold of what actually Stiki does and how it is useful. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 13:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)No STiki(or Huggle or Igloo) show random revisions(recent changes) from which you decide which to revert and which to mark as innocent You have rollback rights so no probs :) TheStrikeΣagle 14:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
read User:W.D./STiki for a quick introduction --DBigXray 14:15, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

A bit more Always remember rollback is for genuine 100% vandalism only. Any suggestion of possibly real content dispute or any signs of good (but misguided) faith, do it by other means, and leave edit summaries and talkpage and user talkpage notes. I got rollback, and hardly used it as I preferred to comment. It's for use when speed is needed. I've never used Twinkle rollback, as I became an admin before getting Twinkle, so I can't comment on it. It is OK to use rollback on yourself when you get one of those 'Oh shit, I shouldn't have done that!' moments. Overall, use it as little as you can, and always have a good explanation handy... Good luck. Peridon (talk) 13:42, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Are my first 3 "rollback" okay?

  1. diff1 Green tickY
  2. diff2Green tickY
  3. diff3Green tickY

These okay? They seemed like obvious vandalism to me. Are they not? Mrt3366 (Talk?) 17:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Agree And good work--DBigXray 17:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Now, Can you please read WP:VANDAL, WP:NOTVANDAL, WP:DISRUPT. Just to make sure, that you do not get in any trouble unknowingly. also read the part about specific templates. WP:DTR, WP:TTR --DBigXray 17:29, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I already have. But thanks for your protective concern anyway. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 17:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Did you note WP:DTR and WP:TTR are not policies, they are essays, so its wrong if people claim WP:DTR as a policy. However following WP:CIVIL its better to write a personal message if the target is an experienced editor. --DBigXray 17:41, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Question, Have you seen the list of warning templates in twinkle ? give it a quick glance, specially the warn> single issue warning and single issue notice. they are very useful. and you might need them.--DBigXray 17:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I took a cursory glance at them, indeed they may come in handy at some point. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 18:28, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:India and state sponsored terrorism

Talk:India and state sponsored terrorism I think you can remove your last comment about AIV content dispute are not referred to AIV. I agree that is extreme POV pushing bt even then not vandalism. --DBigXray 11:13, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done Mrt3366 (Talk?) 11:59, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
On Afd , what about a baseless accusation that affects the identity of 1.2 billion living people? please remove this, its giving the wrong impression.
also While commenting at AfDs one should try to be precise and speak to the point, as this is not a talk page discussion to discuss the disputes.--DBigXray 10:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
...Although if repetitive this is known as WP:DISRUPT--DBigXray 11:30, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't understand that last comment of yours, DBigXray. Kindly clarify. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 12:38, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
  • That was in response to the first comment, about you calling Mar4d's edits as vandalism, they are a part of content dispute and you should never call participants of a content dispute as Vandal. but if the editors continually disrupt the normal flow of editing it can be classified as disruptive editing, check out WP:NOTVANDAL for more explanation. cheers--DBigXray 14:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh nice then. I need not worry. Thanks for the clarification. :) BTW, I am aware of WP:NOTVANDAL. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 17:27, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello there Wikifriend

I noticed that you clarified my comment directed to Mar4d. Thanks for that. But I think that even if one word of that essay was read for everytime we linked to that article, the whole essay could have been read by now. Maybe we need WP:IWONTREADIDIDNTHEARTHAT :P. I just got tired of linking because I am fairly sure it won't be read. So I suggest we revert your edit. What you say? Suraj T 08:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

hahaha.. yup, well-said. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 08:58, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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Talk: Grace Assembly Wikipedia

Please do not edit the information further. Also, please identify yourself with regards to your relationship with Grace Assembly of God. Please provide us the basis of your original comments in the wikipedia write-up. As the owner of the Grace Assembly of God sites, church, domain, we reserve every rights to publish information as we deem fit. We do not understand your comment that the information we had published was "not constructive". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.185.168.195 (talk • contribs)

  • "As the owner of the Grace Assembly of God sites, church, domain, we reserve every rights to publish information as we deem fit. " - You maybe the owner of that site, but you don't have the right to act as the owner of any article here on wikipedia (i.e. publish information as you deem fit). No one, no matter how skilled, or of how high standing in the community, has the right to act as though they are the owner of a particular article. (See WP:OWN)
  • @DBX, how and where was it decided that he doesn't have a conflict of Interest? Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:13, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I said it is a clear case of WP:COI. where did i say "no" ? --DBigXray 10:33, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
  • My apologies, you're right. A clear case of COI. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined

I've declined your speedy deletion request on Grace (Singapore Chinese Christian) Church. Simply the fact that the article has existed for 5 years means that deletion will not be "uncontroversial", which is a requirement for speedy deletion. The article may be eligible for AfD, however, if you like. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I will — In fact — I have nominated it for deletion. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 10:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I declined the one on Grace Assembly of God as well for the same reasons. Any more you want to self-revert? Meanwhile, I'm also leaving a more detailed message for User:GraceAG, to explain the whole COI/NPOV thing. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:49, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
"Any more you want to self-revert?" - what do you mean?

And also let me tell this to you here and now, the rationale you have provided before almost instantly declining my nominations does not impress me. So what if it existed for 5 years or more? Many articles exist in wikipedia that probably should not.

Both the articles fulfilled at least one of the criteria for CSD, didn't they? Besides, Grace Assembly of God has only been edited 64 times (many are minor edits) and Grace (Singapore Chinese Christian) Church has been edited only 47 times in the past 5 years. I don't think I would call such a deletion "controversial". In any case, you could have left it alone for others to decide. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 12:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion is the exception, not the norm--it may only be used in cases where it is absolutely certain that the article would be deleted if it went to AfD. The very fact that they have existed for so long with many incoming links implies that at least some people have viewed them and considered the article acceptable. Now, that doesn't mean the articles shouldn't be deleted, it just means that the articles deserve 7 days. In addition, an AfD requires that the nominator (yourself) conduct a serious search for valid references to support notability, which I'm assuming you've done. Furthermore, in the next 7 days, someone else may do so as well. I would be willing to wager that at least one of them will be deleted, possibly both, since very few churches meet WP:ORG. But taking 7 days for someone to try to fix the flaws isn't harmful. Here's another way of looking at it--if the article has existed for 5 years, what's the harm in 7 more days? Qwyrxian (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Okay, I will self-revert and nominate that for Afd. Thanks for this reply. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 14:00, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
First, a note on CSD: once CSD has been declined by someone, anyone other than the article's creator, it may not be renominated again. Second, your reporting of User:GraceAG to WP:COIN was bitey. This is clearly a user who doesn't understand how Wikipedia works. Our first job is to try to educate xyr. Which, in fact, I tried to do, with my long and detailed message on the user's page (to complement the template one left by another user). I know that as a relatively new user yourself, you may not be aware, but sometimes people come, especially from smaller organizations like that church, with a mistaken notion about how WP works, and, through education, can be turned into productive editors. There was absolutely no need to take the person to COIN when the person had not made any edits after the three different warnings s/he had received. I'm not saying we have to try to rehabilitate everyone, but jumping immediately to COIN or another noticeboard isn't always necessary. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Please don't accuse me of bitey behaviour, I didn't harass him or anything. I reported him to COI/N because he seemed to be a perfect fit to WP:COIN.

    I thought that the guideline exists lest people, knowingly or unknowingly, exhibit conflict of interest in their editing, am I missing something here?

    To me at least, the account appeared to have been used for the purpose of telling the world about an organization that the editor considers worthwhile. Mrt3366 (Talk?) 19:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Avoiding copyright problems

Hello, and welcome. Your addition to Human rights abuses in Azad Kashmir has had to be removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here.

  • You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and a cited source. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
  • Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. (There is a college level introduction to paraphrase, with examples, hosted by the Online Writing Lab of Purdue.) Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
  • Our primary policy on using copyrighted content is Wikipedia:Copyrights. You may also want to review Wikipedia:Copy-paste.
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to visit me at my talk page. Thank you. --SMS Talk 04:12, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh thank you for your kind concern and response. Although I don't agree with many of the things you have just conveyed and consider them to be utterly redundant, I like the gesture and think it's nice of you to inform me. I will paraphrase.

But I couldn't help wondering why didn't you even try to help me by paraphrasing in the first place instead of rashly removing a big chunk of info? Mrt3366 (Talk?) 09:00, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Mrt3366. You have new messages at DBigXray's talk page.
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DBigXray 11:51, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

A few things

Hello there. A few things:

  • I find your post here: User talk:BrightStarSky#Did you know to be a bit odd. I know you are trying to be helpful, but, as you can see by BrightStarSky's talk page, he is sort of struggling with Wikipedia, and your post is going to confuse the heck out of him.
  • I think the editor is from India, and so news "...has sparked controversy in UK over the need of sending £280 million (approx 24.4 billion) of British aid to India every year?..." is a bit inappropriate.
  • Also, I think mixing trivia or news with wiki-tips is not a great plan.
  • Suggesting that "...if a text page is obviously a copyright violation, you can replace the text with {{|subst:copyvio|url=source(s)}}?..." is strange. What do you mean by "text page"? Article? That template, from what I remember, is for when the entire article or most of an ariticle is copyvio. You must have encountered this user's page by his contribs removing a small amount of copyvio text. So, why such a suggestion? The last thing I want to see is this user getting off the track he's on.
  • Your talk page's missing the "new section" tab, and has in its place, a box in which to enter a title. When I entered my subject in the box I got another bunch of lines to read and instructions. I gather this is to make things more convenient for others. I found it highly inconvenient, confusing, and ended up wanting that 20 seconds of my life back. I would guess others think likewise. Please consider following convention.

Many thanks for your time, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

  • First let me tell you that I appreciate your concern and do feel that they are somewhat justified with some exceptions:
  1. “I think the editor is from India, and so news [...] is a bit inappropriate.” — I wasn't trying to harass him, and I did not think that it would seem overly inappropriate. Nationality had nothing much to do with it. The reason I let him know about the news was because he edited the article about Mars Exploration mission by India in the past.
  2. “I think mixing trivia or news with wiki-tips is not a great plan.” —  I understand your view.
  3. “text page” — I concede it was hasty of me. I carelessly copy-pasted from template:copyvio which currently says,

    “If a text page is a likely copyright violation, replace the text..”

  4. “ended up wanting that 20 seconds of my life back.” — I was simply trying to help. The thing is, many have come to my talk page in the past and forgot to sign, it troubles me a lot. So I thought of that as a solution.
Please bear with me here. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) (start talk?) 17:33, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I know you weren't trying to harass her. No worries. :)
  • Funny it says "a text page". That seems unclear.
  • I know your talk page setup is trying to make things easy. Perhaps it's just me, and others find it easier.
Anyway, those were just suggestions. I often don't know what's best. But, I can say you have a nice spirit and enthusiastic presence here at Wikipedia. That's very important to me. And of course, I assume good faith. Best wishes, my friend. Happy editing. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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Can I also receive it? ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd love too. TheSpecialUser TSU 16:32, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure, both of you can not only receive it but also use it to enlighten me about things which — you think — I don't know, or to test my knowledge . I love it. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) (New section?) 17:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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I requested rename. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) (New section?) 16:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Michael! If possible, can you provide me your email or just drop me a line here: thespecialuseronwikipedia@gmail.com. There are few points I'd like to share and you to know in a bit personal way :) TheSpecialUser TSU 00:57, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Indian & WMD's

Look at the talk page of India and WMDs. The same ip whose edits you reverted, has left a message making it look like another user has said, yes it can be added. -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 12:33, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

That IP is blocked. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) (New section?) 09:29, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Okay. -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 18:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

For the "Did you know" section on my talk page! :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 19:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome dear. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 13:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Human Rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir

Comment by Truth4all (talk · contribs) at 03:07, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Please discuss on the article talk page rather than edit warring. Please See WP:BURDEN and explain your edits.

Truth4all (talk) 03:07, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
I am not the one who is edit warring my dear. Keep it in chronological order okay? First came 1989 insurgency then came the events of 1990 and armed forces act. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 06:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
you are definitely edit warring. consider yourself warned. if you continue to revert changes made by editors, you will be blocked. Especially you are almost violating the 3RR Killbillsbrowser (talk) 00:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I have tried to talk with you, you didn't respond. I tried to explain my edits in the edit summary, you didn't care. You ignored the fact that you're highlighting a random section cherry-picked from a dubious report. Who is edit-warring, now? I am always open to discussion, I like to discuss, not edit war. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 07:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
a report from amnesty or human rights watch is 'dubious', yet an individual's opinion from rediff or a person's comments on a news report pass your test if they align with your POV. You really need to read WP:RS. You have been all over this report in the last few weeks, deleting and editing content that is anti-India and adding and giving undue weight to content that is pro-India or anti-Pakistan. Wikipedia is not to push one's pro-this or anti-that agenda. It is a free encyclopedia and everybody has a right to edit it with well cited references. Consider this as your last warning for reverting people's edits without discussion. If you have a problem with an edit, discuss it first. Endlessly undoing edits will end up in your account being blocked 12.54.94.22 (talk) 13:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
" a report from amnesty or human rights watch is 'dubious'" - yes, because the source has been contested before.

"yet an individual's opinion from rediff or a person's comments on a news report" - links please, specificity is something I value verily. Be specific as to what pages/edits you are referring to. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 14:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

contested by who? you? you need to read WP:IDONTLIKEIT, WP:IDONTLIKETHEM and WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. This section was specifically written for editors like you. And the rediff opinion I am talking about is ref 132 [1] that you kept inserting back after other editors tried to edit it for its non-reliability.63.87.61.59 (talk) 16:16, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
"contested by who? you?" - I never said so. The claims made by the source are still in the article, are they not? Hence I am wondering what's you problem exactly? See, I don't have time for this BS. So please stop spamming my talk page. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 16:20, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

It is so good to see an editor, quickly regain composure, stay "unaffected" and resume work, despite setbacks. That's the spirit...it is inspiring! - Ekabhishektalk 08:17, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
That's life my dear. That's the lesson wikipedia and real-life have taught me. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 08:23, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

India (Reply)

Comment by CorrectKnowledge (talk · contribs) at 08:54, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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Replied. Replied again. Replied and don't forget to keep calm. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 08:54, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
This is disgusting that fowler&fowler is stretching it too far. My requests are every bit as acceptable as anything else probably. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 13:50, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
That is why I said, keep calm. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 13:52, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
I will, I will. I am sure that "Satyameva Jayate" (truth alone triumphs). Please check this (Just for your information). Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 13:58, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
I'll check for replies on the thread tomorrow. On a side note, SpacemanSpiff is a very neutral, reasonable admin. Don't take it out on him. :) Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 14:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I won't comment there either in the meantime. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 14:35, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
I'll reply in an hour or so. I see the discussion has already turned complicated. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 06:31, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I have replied. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 08:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
It is going to be tough to get a consensus on what you are proposing. I mean even if religions are mentioned, you'll only get consensus for a wording that is likely to be less neutral than it is now. IMO, that is where this discussion is heading. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 09:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Make the changes that are relatively uncontroversial and take the rest to Dalit article. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 09:48, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Like, GDP (nominal) and Constitutional proscription against Untouchability? Is that so? Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 09:53, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 09:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Your edits have stirred activity in two articles. :) Btw, there was some action in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Mar4d/India and state terrorism. You might want to take a look, if you already haven't. I'll check for updates tomorrow. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 17:18, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
"Your edits have stirred activity in two articles." - I apologize if it's causing trouble. You know, no matter how cautiously I avoid these articles, I always get drawn towards controversy and biased articles. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 17:32, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
No need to apologize, both the articles might improve for your effort. Consensus on including all religions in the society section still looks far away, but because of AVC's contributions to Talk:India, an existing sentence in the section is up for debate. A third proposal which modifies the sentence ... continue to live in segregation and often face persecution and discrimination and includes the constitutional provisions might see the light of day. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 06:53, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Just to let you know, I haven't as of yet replied to your current message. I was already typing this when you posted on my talk page. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 06:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I've replied to your message. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 07:01, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't think you can, many other editors like sarvajna, RP have come up with their own proposals. The only way to negate these proposals is to come up with a new one which excludes the mention of religion, but includes constitutional provisions and possibly modifies the sentence currently in dispute. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 07:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Some changes to the template would have helped your cause, otherwise the editors will just steamroll the idea. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 14:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Why don't you edit the template and help my cause? Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 14:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

You'll have to drop one image to make the header leaner. The cities will probably look better in a uniform colour (like Australia). And don't forget to inform other editors. Correct Knowledge«৳alk» 15:46, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
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Your id please. (Leaving for a long journey. Hope tommorrow I could make it.) AshLey Msg 10:41, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

"Your id please." - click here to upload it. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 10:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Uploading to WP didn't work on my 1st attempt and now I'm quite busy to repeat those steps. Try to get it from facebook AshLey Msg 11:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Facebook link says “This content is currently unavailable”. I don't know what is wrong. Try uploading on wikimedia for a change and we'll take it from there. But which template are you referring to? 1st or 2nd? Do you have this problem with every template in its category? If yes, then I don't think I can be of much help. It's a browser problem. Mrt3366(Talk?) (New thread?) 17:14, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Last revision in India and WMDs

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction&curid=740008&diff=510946974&oldid=510774900

You said that it doesn't mention the Agni III, actually it does mention, as such:

".....more than Rs 10,000 crore worth of missile systems have been delivered, or are on order for, the five missile groups already in service: two holding Prithvi missiles; a third holding Agni-I missiles; a fourth holding Agni-II missiles; and a fifth now being raised with Agni-III missiles."

I am not saying that the info he added is necessarily correct, since the article clearly states the regiment is going to be raised, not raised already, but just thought I'd give a heads-up regarding the line you probably missed. -- Anurag2k12 (talk) 02:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh, let me apologise for being careless. I actually intended to right it doesn't even mention "operational". Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 06:31, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


The article states the five missile groups already in service and a fifth now being raised with Agni-III missiles. As per my understanding even if a single missile is with missile group, it is operational. At the end, these are to increases deterrence (which is enhanced even with single digit missile numbers). It is a free world, there is a report today that Agni-I and II are not operational. So India has maximum range anywhere between 150 - 5000 KM. It is always good to have ambiguity. (Rkb76in (talk) 10:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC))

See novel synthesis. If you, despite of my efforts, wish to restore the content feel free to do so. I request you to not bring discussions which can/should be discussed on the article talk page, to my talk page, unless it's extremely important/personal. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 10:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I do not wish to waste my or yours efforts. I added what I thought is right and logical. I am not really into wiki stuff. Mostly, I try to remove personal or egoistic lines from wiki pages related to Indian defense. Secondly, I contribute by adding/editing as and when some important event happens. Cheers (Rkb76in (talk) 10:27, 6 September 2012 (UTC))

How do I send you screenshots ?

Comment by Ratnakar.kulkarni (talk · contribs) at 09:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

How do I send u the screenshot?

mail your email id, I will send it quickly before my PL assigns me any new work
sarvajna (talk) 09:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
What OS do you have installed? Windows 7? or else? Do you have snipping tools? That might come in handy in times like these. If you have one then take screen-shot and email it to me. My email, it's visible, you see that in the left column, right? I am sorry that's all I can do/say right now. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 10:03, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I do not use any snipping tools but somehow the template looks good on the other browser. Never knew that Wikimarkup has similar problems like HTML --sarvajna (talk) 10:28, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Then it's your browser. Glad to here that the template looks good on the other browser, cheers. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 10:29, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't think its my browser but browser in general.--sarvajna (talk) 10:32, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
You're starting to sound incoherent. First you said "somehow the template looks good on the other browser." now you say it's "browser in general". What browser do you use and on which browser did the template look good? Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 10:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I use chrome, and in general I feel that the template doesn't look good on all chrome browsers, got my point?--sarvajna (talk) 10:44, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
You mentioned "second template" on talk:India. Have you checked my first one? Does this have the same problem? How do you view other similar templates on wikipedia then? Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 10:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


"before my PL assigns me any new work" - what do you mean? I simply don't understand. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) 10:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

PL is project lead, I am still at work. Cannot afford to be on wikipedia for long. --sarvajna (talk) 10:44, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

That template in your sig

... is a direct violation of WP:SIG#NoTemplates. They're explicitly forbidden. You need to remove that and clean up the mess you've been leaving in your wake.

Also, that decoration at the top of this talk, isn't Mark's work, it's mine; he got it from me. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 11:01, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

WOW. It's very innovative. I commend you for that. Mrt3366 (Talk page?) (New section?) 11:06, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 Done Mrt3366 (Talk page?) (New section?) 11:08, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


Somewhat better; the above is 543 bytes, and WP:SIG limits sigs to 255, so you've still some cutting to do. And cleaning up the ones out there. And see WP:FULLURL; it will shorten things a bit and make that new section link work on the secure server. See my user pages for more tricks. [and talk, obviously] Br'er Rabbit (talk) 11:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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