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Good to see you

Good to see you around a bit, even if still on Wikibreak; you've been missed. Hesperian 11:36, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Dangerous

Heads up twenty days early? Wow a lots happened in the time youve been off - the test for a start! Trust all is well - I've got through non AWB 10,000 edits now - mainly tagging Indonesian stubs of dubious quality :) SatuSuro 02:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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Fairuse claim has now been added. —Moondyne 00:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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Fairuse claim has been added. —Moondyne 00:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Back

I'm back. —Moondyne 07:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Hesperian 09:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Angon aongon - twas brillig and the slivy toves please SatuSuro 10:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Super! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Dryandra Woodland

Grateful if you could cast you eyes over this. Some fauna articles are named with common names and other scientific. Flora seems more consistent, but not always so. Is there a convention on this?

PS: I'm easing my way back in. Cheers. —Moondyne 07:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Will do.

All flora taxa are now located at their scientific name. It is permitted for flora uses to have an separate article. e.g. the article on the plant commonly known as "coconut" belongs at Cocos nucifera, but there should also be an article on the fruit at Coconut. This convention applies across the board, but it is pretty new, so some articles (including my coconut example) haven't been sorted out yet. The other special case is flora names that refer to a handful of plants that don't make up a coherent taxon. e.g. Kangaroo Paw is a common name that refers to some but not all Anigozanthos, plus one Macropidia. If you see a flora article at the common name, and it doesn't fall into one of these exceptions, feel free to move it.

Fauna are wishy-washy. They are supposed to be located at the common name, but some taxa don't have a common name, and some taxa share a common name with other taxa. I guess the best course is to use the common name unless it is untenable.

Hesperian 10:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

That would have to be the best single-edit page I've seen. But I've ruined that by giving it a light copyedit. Hesperian 10:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Figured that. Took the laptop with us on holidays, did we? But for all that work, your edit count increased by just one. So it still counts. Hesperian 11:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I saw this on your front page and commented (and rated) on its talk. I see now it has at least one peer review. Agree wtih Hesp on exceptional quality of single edit p. But I'm here to get a new image for WP:WA. Regards Fred 17:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Things you might have missed

the pipe trick works for commas now, so "[[Perth, Western Australia|]]" yields Perth. Maybe this happened a while ago, but I only just found out.
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 3#Perth Hesperian 11:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

That last one - a dag sock with bad english puts up what in effect has become a 'the scots come first' campaign! begorah enough to make the thistle itch, or was that the sporran tickle - (Ok I do have predominantly scottish ancestry) SatuSuro 11:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Ohohoh

If you did that to bellevue railway station (hmmm) - there are a large number of railway stations you might have to consider... you might check where order and I have been with rebecca earlier today - it might or might not interest you! SatuSuro 08:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Have I ever kept things simple. Yes I happen to agree with you re the Odd use of Perth after the railway station names. (The separate issue is bothering me - its bit like the walkover of the Perth thing by the sock). Will try to fathom the origins of the Perth thingo on the railway stations - I had simply followed rather than questioning at the time I first emet it. SatuSuro 11:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas College, Perth Article

My rationale for doing this is that all of the other school are relevant to Aquinas College in that they are part of the PSA. And that they are a significant part of the sport article. If you wish to delete them, then do so, but i think the Trinity one needs to stay for sure. Thanks =) Smbarnzy 09:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Why are you removing the category template for the Aquinas College, Perth talk page, i think it should stay as it is relevant to the subject. Please justify, Thanks Smbarnzy 09:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I am willing to accept the deletion of all PSA schools from the category of AC, Perth except Trinity? Thanks for your help and guidance. Much appreciated Smbarnzy 12:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Im not sure what you meant by the fees and their structure, does that mean, "how they are paid (eg. quarteryly) or something else? Thanks Smbarnzy 13:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas College, Perth

Hey Moondyne =) you seem to be pretty with it, so i was wondering if you could review my article on Aquinas College, Perth at Wikipedia:Peer review/Aquinas College, Perth/archive4 , I have spent a considerable amount of time on this article and have been lacking in the feedback dept. Thanks =) Smbarnzy 12:53, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Took your advise on the Categorisation and removed a few of them - feel free to remove others if you wish. Thanks for your help, any chance of the review? understand if you cant, Thanks Smbarnzy 13:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Fees

Yes, they are on the college website under "Enrolments" and then "Fees", i have all info - where am i going to put such information? this given the new article sections. Thanks Smbarnzy 14:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Taking it out there

I have just posted this on the WP Western Australia project talk page -

An editor has just ran into the railway station xxxx. Perth naming system - and started converting only to find the whole metro area station names have this moniker ( even the freo one which reads weird to say the least) - after the rather awkard re-name from a sock (which bothers me that such can happen) regarding all Perth arts - the issue that arises - what do we do with a whole heap of Perth railway stations? Are they in Perth? Western Australia? or are they stand alone unless the need to disambiguate occcurs? I eagerly await responses SatuSuro 13:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

SatuSuro 13:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I do hope you dont mind me doing that - I think WP Perth is quieter than WP West Aust - and WP West Aust is more likely to have a better response. SatuSuro 13:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that - aargh I have my watch lists infested by the dam cydebot's following up on that stupid sock! grrr, better tag more stubs before I say something inappropriate! SatuSuro 14:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Categorisation

Stop it; I'm blushing.

Would it be a violation of POINT if I re-rooted the entire lattice at Category:Aquinas College, Perth just to see what it looked like?

Hesperian 04:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Never explain a joke. Especially if it wasn't funny in the first place. Hesperian 04:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and a very nerdy one at that. Hesperian 04:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, riiiight. In hindsight, getting the joke requires understanding that the Wikipedia category structure is a Galois lattice. What was I thinking?! I'm afraid I win the nerd race for today. :-( Hesperian 05:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

"PDH" - that's going to take a bit of getting used to. Hesperian 05:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Another evening jaunt in south perth

Wesley recent edit has removed a tag and done nothing about it - could you please do the honours? SatuSuro 09:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

If by chance youre still on IA needs help! SatuSuro 15:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Didnt think youd be up this late :) Had also alerted another admin as well - it all happened so quick. Not sure what you'd do - or if the other guys in there as well, sorry to have bothered at this time! SatuSuro 15:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for checking and sorry for bringing up the south perth thing again it feels like old times :( SatuSuro 15:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Nothing like watching the awb edits float across the watch list on a fine friday morning :) SatuSuro 01:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for interrupting the groundbreaking work - but Australian Literature and Gamelan have just had vndls and I am a bit confused as to which template to use for them _ ive checked through the template warnings page - and I would appreciate some advice on thatSatuSuro 01:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Shucks if you could thanks - I'm just about to do dads taxi stuff - :) SatuSuro 01:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Economy WA

FYI :

Convict era of Western Australia

(Redirected from Convictism in Western Australia) is in your your template for economy WA

I also added comment above and at dryandra. Fred 19:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, cleaning up my mess I see. Thanks, and apologies for not getting to it. Hesperian 01:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

And, come to think of it, sorry that my previous message interrupted your AWB jaunt. :-( Hesperian 01:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

They're non-notable, just delete them.... Hesperian 01:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going out for a few hours. —Moondyne 01:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Pick us up some milk while you're out. Hesperian 01:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Cricket

A few wishlists for your new year! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC) User:Blnguyen/CWC Advert

Grammar

Is a team an "it" or a "they" [1]? —Moondyne 11:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Good question. I say "it", because if "team" is plural, what is "teams"?

Consistency within the article should also be a consideration. If you're going to write "they participated in the first Test match in 1877", then you should also change the opening sentence to

"The Australian cricket team, together with the English cricket team, are the joint oldest team in Test cricket having played their first Test match in 1877."

which sounds terrible. I've just convinced myself: "team" is singular; "it" is correct. Hesperian 11:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Unfree Images

The image [| Justice_Day_Picture.jpg]you markes as a possible unfree image could very well be a photo taken by sm barnzy as him and myself are both students attending the school. Students such as myself and possibly him are often taking pictures on behalf of the school. One example is in the 2006 school annual which includes pictures taken by myself. I cannot at all confirm that this image is smbarnzy's own work however I beleive there is an extremely high chance of the image genuinely being his.

I would appreciate your understanding and would ask you to rethink your descition and possibly remove the tag if you belive this would be appropriate.

sincerely

symode09 06:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Amnesia

I seem to have memories of previous and the footwork both creating cats to do with wa govt - I might have confused the users - but I think there is a need for something on the wa project talk to nut out the possibility of dupe cats re govt. I could be wrong. SatuSuro 09:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC) Also I think soundbloke needs to be on an admins watch :) SatuSuro 10:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC) Symodes and Fancyfootworks contrib pages should have clues both within the last two months i think SatuSuro 10:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

deletes - perth road stubs - did you catch up on it - part of the cause of orders frenzy at the moment...SatuSuro 03:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/January/12 thank god rebeccas around - shes been maintaining a strong and steady stance on the delete/absorb railway station stubs issue as well SatuSuro 04:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC) There in lies the rub - its the heat that brings in the shakespearian mode of speech while the tv and ac are running fast in the background - you never know! Eternal vigilance in this is not enough, sigh.... SatuSuro 04:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Places_of_local_interest#Railway_Stations is the other one - slow drawn out and wordy SatuSuro 04:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Could you please do something with the repeat IA pest? SatuSuro 04:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The KP Repeat reverter need putting down - will you do it? (i think the count is 6 times now if you check v carefully) SatuSuro 02:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Under two separate isp number same behaviour in december, and in january - maybe a compassionate putting down - may have lost a friend/family in Bali? SatuSuro 02:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

If thats the case -I am stumped - does blanking a paragraph about a memorial really help? does repeated (6x) blanking really help? I am not sure... no social work degree I am afraid... SatuSuro 02:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Please feel free to correct me if i am wrong at list of churches - but I dont think the entries should be links to external links?/ SatuSuro 06:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ditto re obscure cats at the project page :| SatuSuro 06:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to throw a spanner at dfg.msc who is not responding to his talk page? SatuSuro 08:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

issue

Ta. My problem is if that it goes through the hundreds of indonesia geography stubs that are tagged as such with the damned category notice - I think I'd need a lot of counselling!!!! SatuSuro 10:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah - one way - but I think if it has a Indonesia-geo-stub - that is close enough - and considering th sheer number - to tag for cats is aggravation from my perspective. BTW thanks for all the work on the Indon-Aust arts that youve been doing - beware you might get the indonesian bug - I could point you to approximately 1700 articles needing help :) SatuSuro 10:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Its ok I am ok with it all -bar external awb interefence - I am about to go through the Lonely Plaent guide book and cf with the whole indonesian project list of articles - that'll mean my field of operation will be approximately 3,000 separate items if i do the job properly - the sight of awb or bot thingies will have me rushing for admins sympathetic to the hand made system :) SatuSuro 10:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

KPBMV has signed their own - either you, gnang or hesp need to put it down SatuSuro 12:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That H. is quick! —Moondyne 12:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yup - bet the blocked ones back again... :) SatuSuro 12:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC) (I mean maybe a checkuser is needed if gets to the equiv of 3x 3rr/s ) SatuSuro 12:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sure liam was at wait/curtin doing an english course (or at least part of it when he was v young - ie straight from school - but I might be wrong...SatuSuro 13:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh well another night on wikipedia... I am about to put more names onf the 'why isnt there an article on....' - I am sure Bob Maumill needs one - and some older names of radio as well...SatuSuro 13:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

All is saved - see my comments on my talk page! SatuSuro 14:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Apologies

I realise some names can aggravate - please accept my apology - this might be amisfire but:

Hedley, Kenneth George.
Title The Canning River : an examination of the uses made of the Canning River from 1827 to the present day and discussion of its future role.
Published [Perth : The author, 197-?]
3rd Fl, Battye Stack Q 994.11 HED ASK STAFF
Descript'n [iv], 87 p. : ill., maps.
Note Text on recto only.

Most of these were very average quality but it might be worth trawling henrietta - this was quick grab SatuSuro 14:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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A response to my actions and AWB

First let me apologize to my lateness in response. I assure you, I do not run from confrontations and this is necessary to be resolved.

SatuSuro, what you need to do to and where you need to go to have an argument about this is to come on to my talk page, which you have done. Perhaps it was not still going, just running faster than your list could be updated. The machine is not to blame, I am. However, I would never choose disrupt and annoy. I only seek to edit for improvement.

Moondyne, I thank you for your good faith. I will never again use AWB for solely minor edits such as moving stub notices and removing blank lines.
HeartofaDog's Spades trump my Clubs. I thank HeartofaDog for inforiming me of the large spread of my actions.
AWB is an excellent tool, and I will use it responsibly and usefully.
I will impose upon myself a: one month ban and two month probationary period for the use of AWB.

Thankyou for your time, patience and concern. If there is any more that must be said or done, show no hesitations in contacting me. Regards, Dfrg.ms c ^{1 . 2 . Editor Review} 06:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Moondyne

You may be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Template:Admin_100b_and_others, as it refers to one of your userboxes. Proto::► 14:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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Aquinas blazer

Hey moondyne,

Do you beleive that the image on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aquinas_Blazer.jpeg is appropriate? I do not see the use of it and how wikipedia has to advantage from having it symode09 01:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Pearler

Yet another good article idea; Pearling in Western Australia.

I read this the other day in an ABC book citing Reynolds and Stannage about the missing history of pearling.

Archaeologists have found shells up 1000 km away. Extensive trading prior to:
'Commercial industry' began with the discovery near Karratha by pastoralists killing time aboard the Dolphin in 1861.
James Turner expediton for pearls on the Flying Foam used aboriginal divers to collect shell and pearls.
3 decades of virtual slavery of aboriginal people until end of 1880s. Up to 500 people at its peak.
The government resident in Roebourne accused pearlers of slavery and murder in report.
A 'notorious' pearl, Rosea, worth £20 00 in 1910.

Can some of thiss work its way into article? Thanks moondyne. Fred 17:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I was intrigued to think that Baileys book hasnt been mentioned - and assessed it as well... SatuSuro 09:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Reference: The big history question: snaphots of australian history vol 2 (Chap.39) 2000, Clarke,F.G. 1943- . Kangaroo Press (Simon & Schuster) . is not the best reference for this article. You may remember the ABC radio program. The article is called "Aborigines and Pearling". He gives these references:

Davis, Richard 1998 The Ghost Guide to Australia, Bantam: Sydney
Reynolds, Henry 1990,With the White People; The Crucial Role of Aborigines in the Exploration and Development of Australia, Penguin: Ringwood
Stannage, C. T. (ed) 1981. A New History of Western Australia, (UWA) Press: Nedlands

I will have a go if you don't think the ref is 'secondary source'? He is usually Ok, but the prose is a bit heavy handed sometimes, but not as much as Pilger, say. Ta for encouragement, such an important industry has probably sought to suppress the shameful aspects of history. I think Diamonds suffered from bad press at one stage. Lives per carat and all that. Fred 10:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I am not happy using this reference. If one or two other people whose opinion I value were to ok it I would go ahead. Sorry that wasn't clear. Fred 10:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It's cool :)

Happens to the best of us. Have a look at my edits around midnight. Orderinchaos78 08:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back BTW :) I'm working on Hamersley atm - see my comments/questions on Hesperian's talk page (to avoid talk spamming :) Orderinchaos78 04:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Quick favour if you're still around - could you very quickly look over the new lead for Hamersley? Mainly looking for anything obviously wrong or disjointed, as I realise the lead's the first bit people see. Orderinchaos78 13:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Back...

I suppose I should say welcome, but to what I am not very sure...SatuSuro 11:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Think the contributions list show I've been travelleing down some very strange paths (some of the admins in the strangest places and topics---) over the last couple - the running away to bunbury feels good already probably monday to thursday then rotto on the worst day in the year - friday - I used to live and work in the old rotto tearooms in the late 60's ......sigh, my first 100 dollars! SatuSuro 11:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely crazy - seasick prone wife and enthusiastic daughter - when I worked the tearooms we had extra staff and shift for that day ...SatuSuro 11:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas College, Perth

I was wondering if you could remove this Aquinas College Perth management structure article, as i have merged the salvagaable info into the main article of Aquinas College, Perth as per the AfD debate etc etc? Thanks Smbarnzy 12:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

References

i appears that i have screwed up this page Aquinas College, Perth badly, if you go to edit the page - you can see all of the info including stuff on middle, senior school, sports, and all that stuff in the Student life section, and then on the article, you cant see it? all i have done is added loads of references and that sort of stuff, can you help? thanks Smbarnzy 15:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Problem solvered, thanks anyway Smbarnzy 15:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Tuatha Shield

Extract from Talk Page of ACP:

The shield actually starts the year before, with one (or two) event/s from the previous year (2006) contributing to the next (2007) shield, i cant remember which one (possibly house esteddford or academic points)...but thats basically it. Smbarnzy 14:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Sterling and currency, and currency?

I think you were right the first time, regarding the cost of town hall. Converted to when? A bargain, if current prices?! Fred 12:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I tried a couple of times. Particuarly important in this 'arena', possibly one of my first edits. I should have asked somebody how. I notice a non-visible change there now. Fred 09:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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To save you $1.20 :) Orderinchaos78 15:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Daytona Coupe and Daytona Sportscar

Thanks for helping make sure everything is done properly :) . -BMan1113VR 19:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

re: George Brand de-prodding

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from George Brand, which you proposed for deletion. I am leaving this message here to notify you about it.

The article does describe Brand as rising above the convict class, which was very unusual for the time. Convictism was a highly significant part of the social, financial and political development of the state and individuals like Brand were quite unusual and notable because of this. A student of Western Australian history would describe the class separation as important when just under 10,000 convicts were transported to the colony during a 18 year period when the total population increased five fold. I certainly wouldn't argue for bio's on every convict, but as said, Brand was unusual. If you still feel the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to it. Instead, feel free to list the article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moondyne (talk • contribs) 01:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

That's cool. Perhaps you could add something to that effect to the article. The reason it didn't strike me as notable was because I didn't know that "rising above the convict class" was "very unusual for the time". Adding some context will help. Thanks, Fang Aili ^talk 01:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

hmm

Does that mean someone should welcome you to the australian project? .... :) SatuSuro 09:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Also the originator of the issue in the west looks like another young'n.... I've done my bit I have little or no tolerance for that sort at the moment - you might need to put it on watch! SatuSuro 10:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC) I added a few more bits - but I think I'll sat away for a while after my points made... otherwise I'll get done for harrasment I am sure. SatuSuro 11:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I think I over-did it but no reversions from me...SatuSuro 13:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hartfield Park

Definitely not a locality - should be merged into Forrestfield (it is a significant facility but probably not worthy of an article - see [2]) - On checking Forrestfield I note it's in fact already there. Orderinchaos78 04:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Streetsmart, Hartfield Park is entirely in Wattle Grove. Forrestfield is on the other side of the road. petedavo 10:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Opinion needed btw - is the referencing in the lead for Hamersley too distracting? Everything referenced there is also/will also be referenced in the article, so I'm not sure quite which way to do it. Orderinchaos78 04:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. The way I've done it now, if the FAC reviewers want them gone, they can be removed easily with no consequences to the rest of the article. I've just finished writing a geek-friendly historical public transport section which I'll need to think about how to present (maybe another map is called for) Orderinchaos78 06:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 26 January, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article City of York (barque), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Yomangani ^talk 08:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! I've lost count... umm it is number....? Also - thanks for cleaning up on the unsigned batavia talk page message - I have got lazy with that issue of identifying unsigned persons or numbers-... SatuSuro 12:05, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Been on too long again today - answered on my own talk page again - It was Bunbury and a very very quick trip to just short of Cape Leeuwin - I now have digital images for St Allouarn Islands/Cape Leeuwin Islands - at Bunb ury a huge number of town shots from the hills - and a whole range of the old harbour and the new harbour and the lechenault cut taken from the boat - from the swimming with the dolphins cruise in koombana bay (it was so nice and cold in the water even with wetsuits on) as well as a whole lot of rushed shots of parts of the bunbury to augusta highway - as well as the flinders bay railway station site where I copied the whole of the historical society display about flinders bay jetty and In the deli/cafe on the wall there is, wait for it - a photo of me at about 1 year old in a pram in front of the post office bei ng pushed by the post mistress of 1952 - but thats a longer off wiki story.... go on which number is your DYK? SatuSuro 12:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Also I have a collection of the building types in that horrible brick and tile mess called port bouvard what a rabbit warren - thats next to the dawesville cut (some shots from there) yuk, go on - is it over 50 yet? SatuSuro 12:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding wa=yes to batavia. Is it protected, I was having problems. I invited (the) Mike Dash to have another look. You can raid my wine cellar anytime, Moondyne. Fred 12:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

my mistake, browser problem and glimpsed "(Protected)" near what I now know are transcluded templates. Some very fancy ones. Thought Australia template was protected also. Regards Fred

Glad to see at least 2 other ppl didn't go out into the sauna to watch the crackers go off. —Moondyne 13:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

And the barges catch alight - I have suggested to frederick (not the ship) that we have a gallery sub page of photos or images that have been used on the project page - what do you think? SatuSuro 04:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Someone who was there at the time told me by phone, I was surprised to not hear about it until nearly 24 hours later. Also the power cuts all over the city which haven't been given more than a byline anywhere. Orderinchaos78 12:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I would really appreciate a watch on southern ocean - I will email a reason later - have to take the dog for a walk first.... SatuSuro 11:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately - dsitracted by other things - will email probably tommorrow now... SatuSuro 14:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Great minds think alike - I spotted the same cul-de-sac article when doing another section, then thought "I must go back and update that" only to find it already had been :) Efficiency plus! Orderinchaos78 01:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep, that and History are being rewritten. The history section contains several sentences from a previous version that have been invalidated or made redundant by further research at present. My main worry is keeping this at an acceptable size, as it's starting to get long and pick up a large number of references (the Demographics won't add any as the named Census refs are already in there) Orderinchaos78 01:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Eek... 38k and I haven't done the HDS or demographics yet. I think I'll just do it all anyway and we can call in the troops and decide what stays and what gets pushed out into other articles. Orderinchaos78 05:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I have emailed re the user who recently edited th flinders bay railway article - might need attention... SatuSuro 06:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

WPAMH contrib template

Hey just followed your fixing it - I think we need to let the others know too...:) SatuSuro 01:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Ta - I think section 7 and 12.2 should be cross referenced in some way what do you think? SatuSuro 01:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Glad to see at least one vegemite is not fessed about anything - have been in the demilitarised (ironic) zone for a few days - enough flak for a years editing it feels like, anyways one plods on into real life :) Maybe I hadnt properly explained the issue from yesterday - I thought if an author of a book that writes up a summary of the book on the wikipedia page or article with the same name that that consititutes conflict of interest? SatuSuro 01:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Also youre not shy - there is as the meaning of life on your user page! (dyk number that is) SatuSuro 01:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

My talk page note to myself from Luna Santin the checkuser clerk lets him off the hook - as long as he is kept on the straight and narrow. I know some eds who would have shot him out of the water - but thats them - I think if you are able to get co-operation - I know one admin who would want something beyond primary sources as well - sorry to be telling you what to do tone - but offline I could give you long story about some afd trends in strange places that would wipe out one newbie in tas and another indonesian one just like that from the shoot first think after brigade... :) anyways let hope we see more encyc tone and more from... cheers SatuSuro 04:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC) BTW I have a copy of the book - might remember to bring it thursday...:) SatuSuro 04:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Henri? nah - its looks better on the history to see another name anyways SatuSuro 05:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Nightmare de las senor SatuSuro silly man.

Leeuwin Naturaliste National Park article is a mess - and a stub - it needs substantial development.
Localities (apart from your karridale one) all need substantial development
Surfing breaks need an article (have part of that in my long stagnant sandbox page)
Group Settlement in the region needs a detailed article/list of setttlements along the tline
Railway partly done in my Flinders bracnh art - need timber ones too
Hamelin and Flinders as ports either need devloiping or sep arts
Islands partly done by the Leeuwin islands art - need along coast as welll...
Books about the region - like parts of tassie - heavily documented - either into locality arts, or...

and so on (probably gone to sleep by now eh? SatuSuro 05:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Also imho Leeuwin Naturaliste ridge - all the details should exist within the national park art until it is too big then its own artcile - SatuSuro 05:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Guelphia?

The new WA map is fascinating. I vaguely recall something of this proposal. I never knew of a map. On the subject of libraries and images, have any major australian collections been released with a suitable copyright. Do you know if it worth asking LISWA for images or generally a waste of time. Fred 09:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC) So can I upload pre'55 photos and paintings of Rischbieth I have found? I am starting draft. - Fred

Re: List of Western Australian birds

All my hard work wasted! (not really) Thanks for the guidance :) —Moondyne 14:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I assume that "all your hard work" boiled down to two find-replaces: ==[[ -> ==''[[ and ]]== -> ]]''==. If you did the job manually, you deserve what you get ;-)

Once I've learned a convention, I usually completely forget that it was ever necessary for me to learn it, so am surprised when someone of your stature hasn't got it yet. I must bear that in mind: even a veteran such as your good self can be new to a field, so WP:BITE applies to everyone. Hesperian 04:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I spurn big .js addons now - too much chrome. But that one is nice and modest. Pasting into notepad is okay for some things, but for others one needs a decent regexp find-replace. I'll give it a go. Hesperian 04:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Margaret River- can I leave that one with you? if so I'll owe you one - :) SatuSuro 13:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

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List of endangered flora of Western Australia

379. Hesperian 00:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

olivacea: is Eucalyptus macrandra Benth. Long-flowered Marlock apparently. Shall I proceed with User:Fred.e/Eucalyptus_macrandra stub? Fred 11:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I notice some of these things turn up at wikispecies, are links there ok. Come across any tucker out here. - Fred

I highly recommend that instead of defining the codes, you simply link to Conservation Codes for Western Australian Flora. Hesperian 12:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

No, don't go! I was enjoying the company. If the interest in flora remains, I'm very happy to clean up the odd mess until you get up to speed. Hesperian 04:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Besides he already had lots of practice chasing my edits, why let all those lesson remain under utilized. 8) Gnan garra 04:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

<-
The interest is definitely there. Maybe I need to read a primer of taxonomical conventions because it's just about Japanese to me at this time. —Moondyne 04:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Like,

what does the 'ms' means in "Chamelaucium croxfordiae ms"; and the 'aff' in "Schoenus aff. clandestinus".
and why have a Wikispecies database at all - what is it for that en: can't do, and when should we link to it directly in an en: article
and in florabase, is there a way if filtering for a geographical area.

—Moondyne 04:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Neither are particularly important. Ideally, every known species should have a validly published name. But sometimes publication takes a while, and when you're working at the coalface of botany, you can't afford to wait around for a species to be published before you can refer to it; e.g. you wouldn't want to have to wait for a species to be published before you can list it as endangered. So botanists give their specimens unofficial names in the interim. If a botanist finds a specimen that looks rather like Schoenus clandestinus, but also looks a bit different, and might be a new species, or a new subspecies or variety of S. clandestinus, they give it the unofficial name Schoenus aff. clandestinus, which literally means "the Schoenus with an affinity with S. clandestinus". Further down the track, if a botanist has chosen a name for their new species and written a formal description, but that description has not yet been published, then the name is only a "manuscript name", so is appended with "ms". See discussion at Jacksonia for example.
A good question, which I can't really answer, but could easily rant about. I wouldn't ever cite Wikispecies; I just use the {{wikispecies}} template in the external links section.
Only by biogeographic area. But this won't help you, as Dryandra Woodland in on the border of Avon Wheatbelt and Jarrah Forest. Avon Wheatbelt runs from Mullewa to Southern Cross to Tenterden, so it isn't much help if you want to know what occurs within a small location.

Hesperian 12:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I meant in the article proper; passing mention of a botanist who completely revised the genus, then passed away without getting it published, resulting in lots of "ms" species. Hesperian 06:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Meetup etc

Good to catch up again - I realised I had a number of conversations I had wanted to have - didnt get around to it - will try email later in weekend SatuSuro 07:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Great to meet you. Ta again for assistance in past. Buy you a beer anytime. Fred P.S. Would you mind getting Bessie images from Henrietta sometime. I'm reluctant for some reason. I still have lots of work to do on her article, so no hurry. - Fred

It helps me to see someone else do it first, for some strange reason. There are so many fierce notices about copyright, due I suppose to the litigation potential. I uploaded to commons this

If I stuffed anything up let me know Thanks again, Fred 03:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Ta. I meant to ask if that happens there or here. I noticed that there was a page of some sort here for your addition. Does that happen automatically? Regards, Fred 03:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You answered my question, sorry for clumsy wording. My heading is reeling with possibilities for image uploads I previously thought unavailable. I used to think that pages here (on en.) linked to the commons, but I now see that another page needs to here as well. Do I have something else to do? Fred 04:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for a complete explanation of that. I have never used image software so I will give that a go too. There are a lot of images with NLA tags across the bottom, I assume I can strip those off. Three pints, and counting, I owe you. Cheers, Fred

Will do it with relish. You can draw on your ale credits anytime before /2 Fred 06:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Ta

Adding to list - it looks like a dubious list to me - but i suppose its to gather in ones that wont have separate articles about them... another dubious is the forrest place and chase separate arts - what do you think? I just asked gnang As welll Satu Suro 14:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Indonesian issue

I have placed the talk page items on the subject talk page -Satu Suro 09:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hehe probably archive it before we get famous :) Could you check Robert Powell (author) please? ta Satu Suro 03:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that - appreciated - I understand ... Satu Suro 04:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

btw I dont think there'll be anything separate on Jane at all... Satu Suro 05:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Ivde just linked woodman point and george seddon - if i go down the path of creating a susan tingay - its a back door entry into the csnf and darling scarp issues - I could do a project on the darling scarp alone - apart from the current 3 fires i can smell around me... sigh Satu Suro 05:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

fair enough - maybe not today but probably within the week - some would consider sned the showperson - and robert the quiet achiever - the tingays when i get them up are now very private - but during the csnf high times of the late 70;s they were almost more celeb than sned at the time. I understand your point - will follow up - Satu Suro 05:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The thing about anybody who has been in the environ cause thingy - tingays and powell and a few others - is that they produced academically sound materials for the fight (and I will only pursue that off wiki at this stage) while the proponents had as about much science as a horse doctors bucket with slops - it has taken the proponents thirty years to work through what the people were saying in the 70's. So off to gmail I go Satu Suro 05:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC) swent - you should have it Satu Suro 05:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Email - (re that project - god knows another distracttion) - anyways - there were Hovea, JFNP west end (v close tto ghighway and swan view) , and a mysterious lot of smoke from south east corner of mahogany creek (or south west mundaring on your metro road maps) that the bomber plane was seen towards (very unusual- usually only 4 helicopters around bu the old water bombers in the air means theyre stretched) I sort of locked myself in on the computer - will check the air outside soon - but the hovea one sounded the worst - thanks for asking...Satu Suro 06:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Odd - hovea one not mentioned... http://www.fesa.wa.gov.au/internet/Alerts/default.aspx# is a good link Satu Suro 06:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

2 buzzers over the house at low level just at 3.30... ummm Satu Suro 06:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Ive just been fiddling - do you think I should be putting wa or Perth for the musos? Satu Suro 07:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Ta - out now - buzzers quieter - gotts be dads taxi off for a few hours at least. Thanks for help Satu Suro 07:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

More editing tangents than I can poke a stick at! will try to get to cite format you did on gibbney west cite - just a bit of practice needed for newspaper cites Satu Suro 11:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Getting idea of which way you are re-organising as well - the see also - etc - will take note... Satu Suro 11:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Sent email re mess re govt depts Satu Suro 23:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Decided to clear up the issue - actually spoke to harry phillips about it Satu Suro 01:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Does what I have put in make sense?Satu Suro 01:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas & Related Articles

Hey Moond, Ive created the articles in Matthew Gibney, Redmond Prendiville and Paul Keaney but they arent all that crash hot, just a few basic bits on them. You said we shud do it in the peer review of Aquinas College, Perth. Just telling you =)

But the real reason i am here is to ask why you have deleted the pages; Grounds at Aquinas College, Perth, Buildings at Aquinas College, Perth and Houses at Aquinas College, Perth =) please explain. thanks Smbarnzy 12:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[discussion moved to Template talk:Independent schools in Perth, Western Australia] —Moondyne 12:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

If you want some fun have a look at the block of templates on Christian Brothers College, Perth... Clutter if ever there was :) (Edit: Put it down to sleeplessness and time of morning - didn't realise you were already onto it) Orderinchaos78 21:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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I gotta get off now - but I think the distinction is clear that we have either the phone book or the government website to distinguish between the two types - cheers Satu Suro 01:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

re your comment - hey man its on on-going process with an eastern states drawl :) Satu Suro 01:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

didja see that gnang had a fan club overnight...?Satu Suro 01:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up the f-media art - the history would have told the story - funny forgetting to check the history - could you please put the blanking user on your watch... (trying to get off...) Satu Suro 02:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

PSA/ISA

Any resolution to the issues anywhere I might have missed at all re the template? Satu Suro 04:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Swims - do i need them - I need to use my pool more often! - what with the eastern staters - I can feel my wikistreess leevel go up veerry high - am about (in next week or so) to try to make about 15 stubs to knock the bloody tothersiders out of dabbling with local environment groups - have started conservation council of wa - planning to do environment centre of wa, campaign to save native forests, lyn serventys's leeuwin conservation group, article on beth schultz, south west forest defence foundation, woodchipping protest in south western australia, bauxite mining protest in south west western australia (maybe darling scarp instead), campaign against nuclear energy (there is a book about that thank god), there is already a rachel siewart article anyway, - then there are a couple of other groups that i will probably include - and with impeccable WP N and WP V to keep the afd button b--s out of my hair - dont worry if i send you a few hsyterical emails as i do this - no response will be required as per usual! Satu Suro 14:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Good

That you are not buying into the different uses of the word, - however at that indicated 'to do' item - the people who work at that 'to do' had me laughing - I used to share a house with one, have the low down on two earlier partners of another, and have been employed by another.... sigh - I wouldnt even share on email of what I think of one of them - but the other two - well thats another story.... Satu Suro 04:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

CricketWatch

I tagged all the new categories and updated the watchlist. Right now, tagging can't happen automatically (and I don't think it really should, since there are sometimes mistakes). Anytime you want me to retag though, just leave a note on my talk page, and I'll take care of it. Ingrid 16:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks good

Rot. Will need to reverse engineer your table format - have some issues in some of my west coast tas arts would improve if I could get the hang... Satu Suro 00:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Bibbulman track - the hilights wiould need a box if it was properly done - with coords and locations - and the list of maps bit i reckon could do great with headings rather than repeated words... for instance.. more later Satu Suro 04:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Briliantissimo! - thank you very much for that it changes the article! could you please have a,ook at Martine Lock - i think we have a vanity article probably by the person herself Satu Suro 06:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Never heard of - which made me suspicious at first it might have been a very clever hoax article... Satu Suro 09:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Shucks - you did the cleanup - i must return the favour some time - It was another classic one that I really thought it was worth looking at in awe- one that had got away.... Satu Suro 09:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

For some reason I was reluctant to follow up on the shocker... anyways re the category issue I am sitting on my distinction between the activism and the act - but realise in the end - if there is signs that elsewhere in other projects or other parts there are signs of conflating the distinction that I insist upon - that I'm offering the first two rounds next meetup if conclusive proof from other parts of wikipeda that there is one blanket term for activism and the procedure of the act fo conservation... Satu Suro 02:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

response unprintable - that's now a round to you sir - Satu Suro 03:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually - pokemon-pedia has a ring to it... Satu Suro 03:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for your pointing out! However, It was according to the map from the sunset coast official website, they ran the same ways just be drawn in different orientations, just let me know it you've any further subjection.--Alfeewusy 08:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Another trail stub started

~~Munda Biddie Trail~~ ... sigh, not with the enviro groups yet... Satu Suro 13:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Munda Biddi Trail —Moondyne 14:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC) Thanks for the tidy up Satu Suro 01:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Public Works Department needs your magic touch I suspect - I tried something with simple asterisk for spacing and it didnt work. Off now for a while today.Satu Suro 01:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Back sooner than expected - will try to put in lower case for a start Satu Suro 01:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

probably tonight the way things are going have a good day Satu Suro 01:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

As for the western shield it dosnt get rid of the foxes in the darling scarp/range area - was only just talking about that this morning - unprintable here - but nevertheless foxes need culling at edge of metro area definitely! Satu Suro 14:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Interesting thanks for that will probably have a mundaring shire eac meeting next week or two - must ask for the officila standard versionfor mdg area...Satu Suro 14:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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Where have you been? Are you not aware that there's an effort to ban me?

rambling removed by Moondyne.

Yours truly, --Ludvikus 16:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Great Walk Networking

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Henrietta

has some good refs on the bold park area - not the reservoir specifically - will doyble check the most relevant later - gott go... Satu Suro 01:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC) delayed - will try to get a handle later on about the cite thing - please feel free to move/edit my pickings - just getting them during this short extra time ive got... Satu Suro 02:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It wasnt tom, geoffrey or jenny bless her hairband - probably paul murray had the casting vote :( Satu Suro 03:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

might be a lead in ... http://www.ga.gov.au/bin/listQuakes - i havent checked how far back it goes though - still trying to get off two hours later :( Satu Suro 03:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

For wa - the two big omissions are the series of Burakin events - and the meeberrie event - they are essential items - http://www.ga.gov.au/urban/factsheets/earthquakes_meeberrie.jsp Satu Suro 03:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I know! we're accessing two diff spurces - I gotta go to test my pool water now or never - would you like to do the honours please ? (gotta get over 42 DYK's, he says, gotta getta over 42...) :) Satu Suro 03:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Cruel - I was born ten years later... hmph... - I'll do a check on a round for ageism at the next meetup on that one ! i'm off down greenmount hill thinking of subtle payback issues apart from beer on that one :) - do the article - youve got a good range of sources there! Satu Suro 03:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Youve also got another ffor the DYK item department http://www.ga.gov.au/image_cache/GA9194.pdf try that for size and ageism - :) - cheers Satu Suro 04:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

No sign of a stub - here goes... Satu Suro 05:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Over the weekend - time issues today Satu Suro 05:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Western Shield

Thanks; it was. It is nice to know that people are finally starting to believe me when I say they are welcome to edit in my user subspace. It makes my ongoing inability to get this draft finished slightly more forgiveable. Hesperian 02:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

You have email. Hesperian 05:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you think? - I suspect it's only the beginning. Well, we'll see. Hesperian 06:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Think one of you two guys need to give perth mod a once over :) Satu Suro 06:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you kind Sir.

Thankyou for this. It was very much appreciated. :) Sarah 09:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Kind sir indeed! didja see -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Australian_Collaboration_of_the_Fortnight#Cricket_in_Australia ? Satu Suro 23:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC) OOps! well made point - um, err Satu Suro 04:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I got sign happy on the nomination page last night - they all seemed like a good idea at the time :) Satu Suro 04:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Heheh no wonder there are so few people inhabiting that page :) Satu Suro 04:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Well i am coping with transport article - by finding no real substance or history in the oz cycling categories and articles, but might need help in the crikit if it gets off :) Satu Suro 05:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Indian Ocean

Good to see you come and check things out at this early hour.. ) Satu Suro 16:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Funny that I am doing exactly the same thing...Satu Suro 16:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Botany

I half expected to see you here. She gave a terrific lecture and I bought her book which is full of juicy biographical stuff. —Moondyne 16:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know about it, but I daresay I wouldn't have gone anyway. I won't elaborate because I don't want to colour your reading experience. When you've finished the book, feel free to ask me what I thought of it. Hesperian 04:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Well that's very cryptic. —Moondyne 04:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, it wasn't meant to be. Try again: I've read The Naming of Names. Based on my experience of the book, I probably wouldn't have made time to attend the event if I'd known it about it. I won't elaborate because I don't want my own opinion/experience of the book to colour your own reading experience. Hesperian 07:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

The things a bloke will listen to while he's waiting for the cricket to come on ;-) (Cue Sabrina laughing at own joke - A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! ) Hesperian 12:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. It didn't sound rude. Having established yourself as a good bloke who is not in the habit of attacking people, I generally don't hear rudeness in anything you say, no matter how careless you've been in writing (which is also something you're not). I daresay I'd take "you're a total arsehole" as a friendly jibe the first three times you said it to me. So that's one less thing you have to worry about. ;-) Hesperian 12:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Come on you two - with language like this - off to edit Perth Modern School - and quick! Satu Suro 12:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Right you are - that's quite enough backslapping for one night. Evenin' all. Hesperian 12:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

mod/thomas

Well that was good night from him, and good night from him, - nup had never heard of it before you mentioned it but all is solved at - henrietta - she has this intriguing take...http://henrietta.liswa.wa.gov.au/search/Xthomas+street+school&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=A/Xthomas+street+school&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=A/13%2C21%2C21%2CB/frameset&FF=Xthomas+street+school&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=A&19%2C19%2C Satu Suro 12:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Tricky - give me half an hour i have an idea...Satu Suro 12:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC) http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/pdf/battye/pods/1949/0064.pdf i thought it would solve it - but no sign - so it must have had a postal address that wasnt actually thomas... nah have many things other than wikipedia to think about tommorow might be tues... Satu Suro 12:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Rose Byrne is another gary lucas - red link self made again (i bet only half pints this time)...could you please watch over my shoulder on that one - thanks Satu Suro 14:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Well done; wish I'd thought of that. Hesperian 23:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Satu Suro 23:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

csdm

Thanks. That would have to be the most blatant puff piece in the history of the universe. How can you write an encyclopaedia article about Bondy and fail to mention that he was convicted of fraud and sent to jail after presiding over the biggest corporate collapse in Australian history?! Absolutely astonishing. Hesperian 03:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey vanity work in wikipedia seems to be the story of the day... (just welcomed 2 of the perth mod eds wonder if they'll turn into the same...) Satu Suro 03:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

It depends who's paying you. —Moondyne 03:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If you're paying for good advice, you should get good advice. And good advice in this case is "Alan, people aren't going to forget that they had to pay a W.A. Inc levy on their car rego renewals for ten years to save their state following Bond Corp down the toilet. So if you want to spruce up your image, we should run a 'Bondy has changed' angle, not a 'Lets pretend it never happened' angle." Hesperian 03:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

merge

I put my comments on both talk pages after putting in the talk page header... i reckon a lot depends on whether the diocesan article is well expanded beyond what it is - otherwise either untouched - yes... Satu Suro 06:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Bomberphone - I have alerted longhair anmd hesp to this one - not sure whether who might be first to it - suspect it needs to be put down as hoax and rubbish Satu Suro 23:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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B. epica

When you've got a spare five, can I trouble you to check your access to the external links in the references at Banksia epica, and remove any that you can't get to? I have online access to papers that are restricted to the general populace, so may have unknowingly linked to material that is generally inaccessible. Hesperian 22:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Hesperian 00:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Craig and Coates must have been broken when calm moved its entire website from calm.wa.gov.au to naturebase.net. Now fixed;
Lamont is a DOI, so I think appropriate it leave as is;
The others were links to restricted material, and have been removed.

Thanks again. Hesperian 01:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

moondyne joe

looks like the clever little bunny needs to be invited into the hereafter of the ether - Satu Suro 01:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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Ahah poetic justice to a dubious list :) Satu Suro 02:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Guildford Grammar School

I have an article for AfD - Guildford Grammar School Chapel - this is appears to be a joke of some sort? Smbarnzy 02:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I dispute that from my experience and will gladly work on it, and defend it. Take care barnsey you are out of court on that one! Satu Suro 02:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

it could make a good article, but is it notable? there are thousands of schools in the world, and thousands of school chapels too - by allowing this school to have an article on its chapel (that is unref - except for the external link) you would be opening the flood gates for other schools including Aquinas College, Perth to have an article on its chapel (i will make one if i you allow GGS to have one). Aquinas couldn't even have an article on all of its buildings let alone its chapel. in summary: i think notability is the largest issue (sure its heritage listed - but so are many buildings). Smbarnzy 03:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

That is a rather disturbing message. My take on this is:

If Smbarnzy wants to nominate Guildford Grammar School Chapel for AfD, he is welcome to do so;
Moondyne is under no obligation to nominate the article for AfD on Smbarnzy's behalf;
If Moondyne doesn't choose to do Smbarnzy's dirty work for him, that doesn't mean that Moondyne likes the article;
Smbarnzy is welcome to create an article on Aquinas College Chapel if he thinks that would improve the encyclopaedia;
Since Smbarnzy has already expressed his opinion that Guildford Grammar School Chapel should be deleted as non-notable, and considering that Guildford Grammar School Chapel is heritage listed and Aquinas School Chapel is not, it is very hard to see how Smbarnzy could possibly think that Aquinas School Chapel was a sufficiently notable subject for an article;
If Smbarnzy creates Aquinas College Chapel simply to make a point about the existence of the Guildford Grammar School Chapel article, that would be a violation of WP:POINT.

Hesperian 04:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I wish to take issue with Smbarnzy's editing of the guildford and guildgford prep school article at the same time as this particular discussion occurs. It strongly suggests that there is no interest in actual editing, but simply making a point. Satu Suro 08:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I must this is an unusual place to have a discussion about the deletion on an article or whether its sufficiently notiable. Even more remarkable is that Moondyne has been able to watch this occur without participating. Anyhow I'm closing this WP:AFD discussion with the result being keep as heritage listing is sufficient to establish notiability. Gnan garra 11:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Well done! :-) Hesperian 11:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Heritage

By the way, Moondyne, (using your talk page to talk to you - fancy that) I don't agree that not all heritage listed buildings are notable. What is the heritage assessment process if not a rigorous assessment of a building's notability? Hesperian 10:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I would agree with that - heritage listing in itself is a sufficient condition to ascertain {[WP:N]] and the documentation is sufficient for WP:V - otherwise - there would be not point in having a heritage list... Satu Suro 11:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

although maybe not always for an article? A heritage listed building may be worth a short discussion in another parent article like say MOST of the country roads board offices/halls/police stations/railway stations are heritage listed but you'd probably just list them under the town they're in... DanielT5 07:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou Daniel, a voice of reason at last. —Moondyne 07:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed - at the level that Daniel is talking about - that may be the case - but:-

My post above was made very specifically about the level of listing which the GGS chapel achieved - a state heritage listing.

There are up to 5 levels of heritage - what daniel is talking about is municipal heritage listings - at the bottom of the scale and I would never consider that level as having an criteria with equating to V or N anyways.

1 - municipal heritage registers - which end up on heritage council database - and can be confused with the next level many times - most if not all items at this level if not on hgiher levels are not necessarily notable....
2 - state register - which is what ggs chapel is at
3 - national trust register - usually notable due to the structures that they nominate
4 - national heritage register - automatically
5 - world heritage register - automatically

Wikipedia has insufficient information about the distinction for what it all means, and no article that delineates these distinctions and links issues between states of australia - a sad lack for a busy place... Satu Suro 07:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Am now

If you're still interested. Hesperian 10:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

GGS Edits

To be honest, i would like to see the PSA articles some upto a higher standard, i am a huge lover of the PSA, my reasoning was that it has been suggested that it be merged for an extremely long time (i cannot remember a time when it wasnt suggested to be merged) and i thought it was time someone did something, maybe i shouldnt take the wiki-law into my own hands =P apologies - but ive put my 3c on the talk page =) thanks for the pointer Smbarnzy 12:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies

Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of [unassessed articles] tagged with {{WPBiography}}. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 21:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

review

Could you please do a once over of my work in 'swill' my second sandbox? I would really appreciate any suggestions/copyedits - as its opened more rabbit holes for me than i can cope with so i want to get it out before it fouls its nest :) Satu Suro 03:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC) funny I am sure i have known offspring of both the subjects of the unfinished premier articles - perth was small- no one ever realises... sigh Satu Suro 03:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC) Thank you very much - as a stub (!) planning to find more later about both the manjimup and bauxite thingsies - appreciate the tick ! Satu Suro 03:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Playing in my sandbox

Of course, but Sats wants an email 'to and fro' re. this. I will put you on cc. Cheers - Fred 13:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC) P.S. I will look at your contrib in a mo. - Fred

No need to email to and fro - if i think i know what youre talking about - sandbox playing is fine by me Satu Suro 14:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

WAFA is up and running as well now - fewer refs as yet but a nice long list... 14:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah dont be so cynical - I see no need to find refs for the groups in the list? a bit odd ... cheers Satu Suro 14:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Misunderstanding understood - my apologies - cheers thanks for clarification - will sort that dont you worry about that ... heheh Satu Suro 02:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Block

Dear Moondyne, You have blocked me from editing. I was the person (IP address) who inserted the phrase "reference needed" because the list of common German surnames, when I viewed it, had the surname "Hitler" in the number one spot (with a percentage of 0.95). I even clicked on the name as it linked to the Hitler Wikipediea entry. It has since been changed to "Muller". Since I have been blocked, please (presumably you have some sort of power to do this -it's quite simple I'm told) remove my comment as I don't doubt Mueller is the most common name; and please don't call me a vandal.

Thanking you R—Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.143.20 (talk • contribs)

I have no idea what you're talking about. I never blocked you (here is your block log which also indicates that you are not currently blocked). If you are being caught up in an autoblock after having signed on with a user name, you need to give me your username (or even the name of the article) so I can investigate. —Moondyne 01:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas Article

I wanted you to weigh into the debate on Talk:Aquinas College, Perth about the establishment of the college. Thanks Smbarnzy 07:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Railway Station articles

Only just bumped into this tonight when an unknown ed (to me) plonked a photo in - the convention found when working on the railway station titles was that someone had started it and others followed...
(cur) (last) 16:07, 10 January 2007 Moondyne (Talk | contribs) m (moved Swan View railway station, Perth to Swan View railway station: No need for disambiguation here, besides, its not in Perth anyway)
I have mislaid the ref/link to where was last had talk about this issue- and the possible resolution - whether to leave the convention or alter the lot - can you remember? Satu Suro 12:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

heheh havent we all? thanks for heads up - Satu Suro 12:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey - you didnt have to do that - i suppose its comic relief from the previous message/issue ... Satu Suro 12:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Ansearch Articles

I have been to AUDA's website to find information in regards to why there domain names were removed. However there is no information there. An article and promotion of Renai Lemai is irrelevant and unless you can provide a reference from AUDA i'd suggest you stop adding spam links AustralianTraveller 21:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Promotion of ZDNet. Where's the information from AUDA.org.au? If this actually happened as stated there should be an AUDA release on this? AustralianTraveller 22:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

So you are saying that the press and the stories in it are reliable? Come off it mate. Find a reference to the information from AUDA.. I'm looking for one and can't find one. I don't care if the information stays there. ZDNET promotion and unverifiable content is a breech of policy. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable.. AustralianTraveller 22:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Complete misundertanding of what WP:ATT is trying to say if you dont mind the latin - third party sources - not the source of the info - is what is needed = a complete lack of understanding of what wikipedia is about! A good read of introduction material is required before telling admins what to do !!! Satu Suro 01:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

35

That's because I fixed it, but lacked the courtesy to let you know.

Apologies to you, Gnangarra, Fred, SatuSuro and others for not acknowledging your recent messages. It feels like everyone wants a piece of me lately, so I've started ignoring/deferring people. Ironically, the people I start to ignore first, are those whom I can trust not to take offence, who invariably are the people most deserving of a response. Hesperian 02:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed. Thanks. Hesperian 02:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

If my verbal responses are being transferred telepathically, I'm in deep NPA trouble. :-)

Actually, I'm a little surprised you said you're aware of it, because I wasn't sure if it was a reality or a state of mind. My talk page wouldn't seem to bear out the notion that I'm busy. Indeed it is much cleaner since we got WP:WA up.

Things can't be that bad so long as I'm still being nice to my friends. On that note, you had better get those two equals signs off the bottom of my talk page RIGHT NOW before I report you at AIV!

Hesperian 02:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Just as well :-) Hesperian 02:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Monarchy in Australia

I am sure there is a candidate for the 3rr rule just wanting attention there - -if youre about! Satu Suro 03:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Logo

To your reply on Logo page;

I understand Wikipedia's policy. However, that link was suitable and relevant to the page (Logo) on which it was placed. I think some spammer had deleted that link as it was listed on that page for 4 months (I think). It would be useful for Wikipedia readers to get further information about Logos through this website, which is directly related with the topic. Flaminia 07:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

SharedIPEDU blocks

When blocking primary and secondary schools, don't hesitate to anon-block them for up to 6 months at a time. Please also use {{schoolblock}} as your block reason or else you'll waste our time at unblock-en-l having to deal with confused and/or irate school staff. Thanks. -- Netsnipe ► 13:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Email

11pm tues email - if you can creep into my talkpage at this time of night - i need to share an issue quickly... 14:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Have I done something wrong, your publically talk to me and privately talking to the Moon? Gnan garra 14:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like every school kid in the UK has hit school computers at the end of the day for some page blanking and nonsense editing Gnan garra 15:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

thanks wondered how it was done. and This had been done before I could get back. Gnan garra 15:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for vandal patrol

On B. i. last night while I was offline (indulging my other hobby). Nice to check in this morning and discover you stepping into the breach. Hesperian 23:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

66.93.251.114

I replaced the warnings. There was some issues with my reversion. After I unblocked them, they blanked the page. I reverted it but wanted to assume good faith on there part so just replaced A.B. identification of the IP address. It was apparently a msitake and I have replaced the warnings. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The range 66.93.251.112 - 66.93.251.127 is registered to Games Plus, Inc. -- I suggest you consider blocking the whole range. To date I'm aware of problematic edits in connection with this issue from:

66.93.251.114 (talk • contribs • links • count • user logs • user page logs || WHOIS • RDNS • traceroute • RBLs • tor • search)
66.93.251.117 (talk • contribs • links • count • user logs • user page logs || WHOIS • RDNS • traceroute • RBLs • tor • search)
66.93.251.118 (talk • contribs • links • count • user logs • user page logs || WHOIS • RDNS • traceroute • RBLs • tor • search)
66.93.251.122 (talk • contribs • links • count • user logs • user page logs || WHOIS • RDNS • traceroute • RBLs • tor • search)
66.93.251.123 (talk • contribs • links • count • user logs • user page logs || WHOIS • RDNS • traceroute • RBLs • tor • search)
66.93.251.125 (talk • contribs • links • count • user logs • user page logs || WHOIS • RDNS • traceroute • RBLs • tor • search)
66.93.251.126 (talk • contribs • links • count • user logs • user page logs || WHOIS • RDNS • traceroute • RBLs • tor • search)

Additionally,

66.93.251.120 (talk • contribs • links • count • user logs • user page logs || WHOIS • RDNS • traceroute • RBLs • tor • search)
- has been warned about other problems

The remaining 8 IPs have made no edits (other than one sandbox edit).--A. B. ^(talk) 05:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

LAN Gaming Center Dispute

I wish to dispute the validity of your claims with a higher level moderator.

I'm not sure if you are aware, but the current conversation has moved from iGames to the validity of the articles only current external link DMOZ which is of very poor quality. I have tried twice now to replace the link with a high quality categorized list of lan gaming centers and had it removed for what seems to be no reason at all other then yourself being bent on a warpath.

Please explain your reasoning as to why DMOZ should be linked in the article and why LanAtomic.com should not be linked in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mwarhead (talk • contribs) 01:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

Harbhajan Singh

Perhaps you could lend a hand. I'm laughing too hard since I was searching google for info about non-cricket stuff for Harbhhajan and found that the Times of India has plagiarised mine and many other wiki cricket bios! It imported POV and OR from whoever wrote the article as well. Particularly amused that my newbie violations of OR on Irfan Pathan have resulted in tens and perhaps hundreds of millions of Indians thinking that he will captain India in the future. Hey I could become the new sensationalist Robert Craddock! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Signature Discomfort

Hi Moondyne

Just a question...

When I sign my posts with the four tidles, I do not have a link for Auroranorth. It appears as Auroranorth 11:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC), note no link. I took a look at Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages and that confirmed that there was something wrong. When you sign your reply, it'll have a link included to your username. Thanks - Auroranorth 11:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll do that now. Auroranorth 12:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography

If you cast your eyes over to this page, you'll notice that we've got around 100,000 articles to assess - so it's kind of a cut and paste job. Since the = no parameter does not show up, what is the harm in doing this? Aurora north 12:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help on the signature. I really do appreciate it! The articles I'm rating are usually stubs, and will probably stay that way (Have you ever heard of Agustin Tosco?). They are not likely to have more templates on them, and I really do think it looks neat. Aurora north 12:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I need to do some real life things right now - if you want to do these before I come back, that's OK (but you probably have better things to do!). I'll be back soon and if you decide not to do them, I'll certainly do them. Aurora north 12:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter

The March 2007 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Mocko13 21:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Wise words!

Thanks for your comment. It's really lovely to hear that! You don't know how warm it makes me feel. Aurora north 11:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Campaignbox al-Qaeda attacks

Template:Campaignbox al-Qaeda attacks has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --— Indon (reply) — 15:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Bleeding obvious

My apologies for soiling you work of art... there maybe those few who visit the page who need the obvious to be explained? Satu Suro 11:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC) OK - hey I'll take it offf. Hey sounds like I should find you some humour (I'll neede it picking number one from the mercedes post ball partey at 3e abloodym) Satu Suro 12:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC) We've been sprung! Satu Suro 12:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC) Reality (heheh your comments heheh) is a little more complex - he seems to be going to at least 5 balls this year, and he hasnt got around to getting his own suit yet... Satu Suro 12:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC) You got it Satu Suro 12:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Banksia

Dryandra is no longer a current taxon. Every former Dryandra species is now a Banksia species, and should be referred to by its new name... except for Dryandra prionotes, which Mast and Thiele forgot to give a new name, so in the short term its current name is invalid :-(

There's a hell of a lot of work involved in this. I'll be p*ssed if Alex George overturns the transfer in a month or so.

The publication is largely a nomenclatural rather than taxonomic work. e.g. they've published Banksia ser. Spathulatae but haven't bothered to give a canonical list of the species that are in it. The taxonomy of Banksia is likely to be completely up in the air for a year or so, until someone gets around to publishing an updated arrangement. That's just fine with me, except that it makes it bloody hard to write about.

Hesperian 12:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

It's only nine pages. But fear not; I won't email it to you. Hesperian 13:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Also note each of the existing Dyrandra species articles are now redirects to their new banksia equivelants. Gnan garra 13:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Most botanists argue that all taxa should be monophyletic. These botanists would see a polyphyletic or paraphyletic taxon as an error, and try to fix it. Some botanists argue that phylogeny is not the be-all and end-all of taxonomy, and that having polyphyletic and paraphyletic taxa is not necessarily a bad thing.

A good example is reptiles and birds. Birds evolved from reptiles, so Sauropsida (reptiles) is paraphyletic with respect to Aves (birds). Most botanists would argue that since birds evolved from reptiles, the taxonomy should treat birds as a kind of reptile e.g. birds as an order within the reptile class. Others argue that taxonomy isn't bound to reflect phylogeny i.e. it is acceptable to rank reptiles and birds alongside each other even though one evolved from the other.

I don't know if it is accurate to characterise George v Thiele as an argument along these lines; or whether George is just being a stick in the mud. All I know is: in '81 George published his classic taxonomic arrangement of Banksia; in '96 Thiele and Ladiges published a new arrangement based on cladistics; in '99 George pretty much completely rejected their arrangement and went back to his own. So I wait with baited breath to see how George reacts to this latest piece of work.

Hesperian 13:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I fear the above might be read as a suggestion that there's a bunfight going on, or about to start. In case you didn't see it on my talk page, Cas assures me that these debates are amicable. Hesperian 04:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

cry for help

on gmail Satu Suro 13:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response - much appreciated, gt e hwy at 3.30 is remarkably free of traffic, all is well Satu Suro 02:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It must have been the moon - i know nurses who work emergency wards fear it like death - indonesia, charles court, and all the rest.. the vndl police must have been sleeping off a drinking friday or something ...sigh Satu Suro 02:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

da homie g has spoken... Orderinchaos78 15:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hoax summaries

Richard Court has been edited by two diff redlink isps which have put rubbish in - the second has summarised my rvv as blatant vandalism - trust you can see we are dealing with red linkers who cotton on how to make it look like white is black Satu Suro 14:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

What, like "spelling corrections" that introduce POV paragraphs and ethnic slurs to articles? Never :) You should know this does not happen on Wikipedia, our policies are the light sabre of righteousness that not only advises the rules and guidelines but actively prevents wrongdoing by even the most hardy soul by dazzling their eyes and remotely locking their keyboards. Orderinchaos78 04:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hamersley

Thanks :) I'm now actively looking for my next target to get up there, although I'm going to spend a bit of time collaborating with DanielT5 on Wheatbelt articles in the near future - with me doing the facts and figures side of it and him doing the social and historical bits. We're still trying to decide what should go in shire and what in town though as the shires are actually more important than the towns out there - have had some ideas but am still thinking about it. Orderinchaos78 16:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I am happy to pass the Dryandra Woodland for GA per my review at its talk page - however, I am happy to leave it open for further feedback if you wish. When I'm less tired I might have another look through the prose (I seem to be having real problems sleeping last week or two :/ return-to-study anxiety sucks!) Orderinchaos78 04:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Article to edit?

Hi Moondyne - do you have any suggestions on a stub or non-existent article I could bring to FA without months of extensive research? Thanks, Aurora north 08:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

It was a few months ago, so I can't remember. Someday I'll look through my contribs. I enjoy the Wikipedia Maintenance tasks, and I enjoy subjects that can be easily referenced. I don't want something that's already B class or higher. Something to do with Geography or Western Australia, maybe. Thanks in advance, Aurora north 10:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your thought. Aurora north (WikiDesk) 11:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)