User talk:Meditating
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Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure![edit]
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Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure![edit]
- Hi Meditating! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
-- 20:58, Monday, July 27, 2020 (UTC)
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Lason Batch article[edit]
Hi! Thank you for helping me in my article.🙂 Jsnueva1022 (talk) 02:08, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Referencing[edit]
Thanks for editing!
I noticed you reversed an {{sfn}} footnote. If you're not familiar with the formatting, check out Help:Shortened footnotes. The standard <ref>{{citation}}</ref> tags are useful in many situations, but when the same source is referenced several times in an article, it's a good idea to move to the sfn format so that the full citation is only written once, and the article is much easier to work on. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 20:15, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Cuñado. I appreciated the edits you did on 12/28, but I'm rather confused with some of what you did today (all dated 12/31 in "Revision history"). I see at first you changed my lettered "Notes" to numbered "Footnotes" and then back to lettered "Notes" -- which I'm glad about as I wish to keep them lettered and specifically called "Notes". I see you also changed my "References" section completely and added a "Citations" section. I was aware of the benefit of using shorted citations/footnotes when the same source is referenced several times in an article, but was working on figuring out how to do it (since I'm rather new to Wikipedia) -- so what you've set up may be helpful. However, a good number of the shortened citations you've created are NOT in fact related to multiple uses of a reference: for instance, citations #1-10 are not used anywhere else, so using short citations for them seems to make no sense. And also whatever was done for the "reference" part of citation #2 is now showing some red errors in it. Also there's some problem showing now for Dr. Momen's reference for his "The Bábí and Bahá'í Religions 1844-1944". **Also, it would be less confusing for me if you could WAIT until I complete editing the basic text content of this article before you start changing things around as you did today -- as it really makes it confusing for me. Thanks! Meditating (talk) 03:15, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Meditating. I was unfamiliar with the <efn> template so I tried moving them to notetags, which leaves a "note 1" superscript, but now I think the lettered notes look better and the tags are easy to use. I actually changed some other pages to match. Wikipedia keeps an edit history and it's easy to go back to an old version. Generally, be bold when editing and someone will revert if there's a problem.
- Referencing can get complicated. You can check out my sandbox to see a simple example of how to play with the tags, including how to handle multiple references from the same year and how to use {{sfnref}} to create a custom short footnote when the author or year information is missing. The <ref> tags clutter up the text and make it hard to work on, so I usually convert references to {{sfn}} in the lead of the article and any other references that are used many times, especially the same references with multiple pages used. It takes a lot of work so I try to hit the most useful things first. I don't mind cleaning up the references if that's difficult.
- Depending on your edit style, you could use Template:In use at the top of the page to prevent others from editing and breaking apart what you're doing. If I'm working on a big change I usually move all the text to a Word doc, make the changes, then check for new edits before pasting it back (incorporating the new edits). You can also use your sandbox for the same thing.
- You may have already seen this, but you should be very familiar with the core content policies. Thanks for joining. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 18:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi Cuñado. Thank you so much for kindly taking time to help me understand more, and hopefully learn, about improving how I work with & in Wikipedia. I greatly appreciate you thoughtfully giving usage examples, as well as ideas on how to deal with preparing larger articles -- all helpful. Warm regards. Meditating (talk) 18:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia and a Word of Advice[edit]
Hello, Meditating, and welcome to Wikipedia! It is great to see new editors getting involved! Thanks for contributing to several articles already, in particular Baháʼí Faith in Iran. It is no doubt one of the most important Baháʼí Faith by country pages and was in need of expansion.
Since you are new I wanted to mention one Wikipedia policy that comes up a lot in editing discussions. WP:PRIMARY discusses the use of primary sources on Wikipedia, and in particular that they should be used with caution (see the link for more details). Baháʼí writings and messages from the Universal House of Justice are primary sources. In general, secondary sources are preferred (see WP:PSTS for a useful overview of what primary, secondary, and tertiary sources are, and how to use them).
All that said, I know there are a lot of policies and guidelines to learn, so in general please continue to be bold and I hope you choose to keep editing Wikipedia! I am always around if you have questions, and I see another editor has also already touched base. Cheers, Gazelle55 (talk) 00:04, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Gazelle55, Thank you for your encouragement & mention of Wikipedia's preference for secondary sources when possible. Indeed there is so much to learn while trying to contribute to Wikipedia; I hope to continue to do that. Regards, Meditating (talk) 03:07, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Style guide compliance[edit]
Hello. There are many documents in the Wikipedia manual of style. One of them deals with image sizes: MOS:UPRIGHT. Specifically, "Except with very good reason, a fixed width in pixels should not be specified." I fixed these issues in Baháʼu'lláh, and you changed them back, whereupon I have reverted you (but I kept the centered captions). Fixed pixel size disrespects user image size preferences and destroys the responsive design that is needed for compatibility with a diverse range of devices. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. I'll accept the MOS sizing reasons you've cited, though I believe leeway for preferences remains or the ability to change image sizes wouldn't exist. You did NOT keep all centered captions as you said you did, most are again left-justified; that style is definitely a matter of preference, and there's no reason your preference should supercede someone else's. The gallery layout is downright ugly, and your preference for it makes no sense. If you won't revert it then I will change it again. Meditating (talk) 04:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- I thought I had restored the centered captions. Sorry if I missed some. The narrow vertical gallery is OK, although it intrudes into subsequent sections, which the regular gallery doesn't. ~Anachronist (talk) 13:59, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. I'll accept the MOS sizing reasons you've cited, though I believe leeway for preferences remains or the ability to change image sizes wouldn't exist. You did NOT keep all centered captions as you said you did, most are again left-justified; that style is definitely a matter of preference, and there's no reason your preference should supercede someone else's. The gallery layout is downright ugly, and your preference for it makes no sense. If you won't revert it then I will change it again. Meditating (talk) 04:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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Bahá’í Faith and nurturing inclusiveness to build unity moved to draftspace[edit]
An article you recently created, Bahá’í Faith and nurturing inclusiveness to build unity, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. HᴇʀᴘᴇᴛᴏGᴇɴᴇꜱɪꜱ (talk) 23:04, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi Meditating,
Draft:Bahá’í Faith and nurturing inclusiveness to build unity is essentially a personal essay and PR brochure. It does not read like an encyclopedia article and uses highly unencyclopedic wording. Wording such as inclusive embracement, empowerment, nurturing growth, critical juncture and other hyperboles are inappropriate for Wikipedia, since this is an educational resource rather than an advertorial site. Because of these issues, I have moved your submission into draftspace.
However, some of the information you have included is quite useful. There are various bits and pieces that can be incorporated into existing Wikipedia articles, but they need to be reworded.
I would suggest publishing your full essay on these wikis instead of Wikipedia:
https://bahaipedia.org/Main_Page
https://bahai9.com/wiki/Main_Page
Please also take a look at what Wikipedia is not.
HᴇʀᴘᴇᴛᴏGᴇɴᴇꜱɪꜱ (talk) 23:07, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Article in your sandbox[edit]
Hi Meditating,
I happened upon the draft in your sandbox ("Bahá’í Faith and nurturing inclusiveness to build unity"), which led me to see it got removed from the mainspace and I have some thoughts. First of all, wow! I can see a huge amount of work went into this and that you found a whole range of new sources on Baha'i topics. Many of these will also be useful on other pages like Ruhi Institute. Besides that, the formatting is generally very nicely done.
Now, I see that you wrote in a subsequent edit summary that you felt the brief comments from User:HerpetoGenesis didn't represent your article accurately, and that you wanted administrator input. You can take a look at WP:DR if you haven't already to find out about different dispute resolution mechanisms. I think discussing further with the editor or a request for comment (see WP:RFC) might be appropriate before raising this to the admin level. In that spirit, though you haven't made a formal request for outside input, I thought I'd offer some thoughts on your article. Forgive me for being long-winded.
Regarding the citations in the article, you absolutely do not need more than 400 citations. I think perhaps what User:HerpetoGenesis was getting at was source quality rather than quantity, though glancing through the citations I do think most of them are WP:RS. That said, there are a significant number of non-independent sources (BIC, Universal House of Justice, 'Abdu'l-Baha, OSED, etc.). Yes, there is sometimes room for editorial judgement, but I don't see the rationale for having this many sources that seem pretty clearly outside WP:RS.
The bigger point, though, is what you chose to draw from the sources. WP:NPOV requires that you cover all major viewpoints on the article topic in proportion with those viewpoints' prevalence in reliable sources. However, even where you are citing non-Baha'i sources, it seems you have only cited them where they support the Baha'i viewpoint/narrative on the topic. For instance, you write that Baha'i activities never take the form of proselytism, but Warburg explicitly describes the Ruhi Institute activities (which you cover at length) as proselytism. This is a significant oversight. Given your topic is inclusiveness, it would also make sense to cover critiques about women and the Universal House of Justice, homosexuality, and shunning (of those deemed Covenant-breakers). These have been discussed in reliable sources and are already covered to some extent at Criticism of the Baháʼí Faith#Practices.
Here are some other sources providing alternate/critical perspectives on the topics you cover:
You may say not all this is quite on the topic you're writing about, but that points to another problem, which is that your article title (and thus the article's proper scope) is very vague. It also doesn't sound NPOV to me. Might I suggest "Social inclusion in the Baháʼí Faith" or something like that?
Anyway, I'm happy to discuss any of the above or other issues. You're also welcome to pursue other forms of WP:DR but I strongly suspect that other editors will be at least as critical as I've been here. Gazelle55 Let's talk! 02:59, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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