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My last edit was to return to the last edit by User:Kingboyk redirecting to Monaghan United; your last action has resulted in the speedydeletion tag reappearing. I was just trying to fix the tag I placed since I decided that having been rejected by two admins was enough. Yours. 216.194.1.200 (talk) 15:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey: No you are wrong - when the name Finbar Prunty is entered in the internal Wikipedia search engine the speedydelete page appears not the redirect. Check it yourself. This is because User:Moonriddengirl, after denying speedydelete, did not remove tag. This is why I tried to redirect to User:Kingboyk which was the last edit before my first edit.
5 March 2008 Keeper76 (Talk | contribs) (52 bytes) (Undid revision 196053971 by 216.194.1.200 (talk)) (undo)
5 March 2008 216.194.1.200 (Talk) (34 bytes) (←Redirected page to Monaghan United F.C.) (undo)
5 March 2008 Keeper76 (Talk | contribs) (52 bytes) (Undid revision 196046706 by 216.194.1.200 (talk)) (undo)
5 March 2008 216.194.1.200 (Talk) (276 bytes) (undo)
5 March 2008 Moonriddengirl (Talk | contribs) (52 bytes) (Not, in the absence of other issues, a reason for speedy deletion.) (undo)
5 March 2008 216.194.1.200 (Talk) (174 bytes) (undo)
27 January 2008 Kingboyk (Talk | contribs) (52 bytes) (←Redirected page to Monaghan United F.C.) (undo)
I tried to fix the damage I caused unsuccessfully. Sorry. 216.194.1.200 (talk) 16:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
You were right. I just needed to clear the browser. Thanks for not blocking me for WP:3RR - obviously that was not my intention. 216.194.1.200 (talk) 16:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
WP:POST
Do you have a project in mind for the report in nextweek signpost? Sorry about the delay, kind of got caught up in things...
Haha! Are you nominating the WP:COMICSTRIP wikiproject? :P Rudget. 19:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
No problem, and thanks. :) Rudget. 19:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks so much for everything. You're so kind. DRosenbach(Talk | Contribs) 01:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi I was wondering if I could get a little help. I've been cleaning up disambig pages with links and I've noticed that allmost every one that I have fixed for Mainstream gets changed to Mainstream (terminology). I'm kind of new, and want to redirect Mainstream to the terminology page but I'm not sure if it the correct thing to do it, or how to even if I wanted to. If you could help really quick that would be great. Ayls (talk) 23:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Done
[1] With regards to the deletion of vector physical, I must object. For there was no clear consensus. Votes were given to keep along with extraordinarily strong arguments provided as justification. --Firefly322 (talk) 12:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi there Keeper76, Is it possible that you have overlooked the conclusions and ultimate validity of many of the arguments (e.g., there are many trains of thought over a 5 day period)? If so, then shouldn't these votes be weighted? When weighted based on validity, does there still appear to be a consensus? --Firefly322 (talk) 16:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I replied on your talkpage to this message. No need to keep this going in two places. Let's keep it either here or there, you choose. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Alrighty. Let's keep it over there. --Firefly322 (talk) 17:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
RfA comments
I've posted at length, so you no longer need to be patient :) -- Avi (talk) 20:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much; your kind words were just what I needed now :-). I will try and address everyone who opined on the RfB individually, and I will get back to you (I'm trying to leave work at a decent time now :) ), but I am sincerely touched and appreciative of your comments; thank you VERY much. -- Avi (talk) 22:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I plan on it. That was the single main point at which the community felt I was lacking. I hope that over the next few weeks/months I can rectify that in everyone's eyes :) -- Avi (talk) 22:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Re:IP blanker
The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Thanks for catching the blanker Malinaccier (talk) 23:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again. If he comes around again, I'll block them myself. (don't forget I have the +sysop flag too). =) Malinaccier (talk) 23:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
My RfB
I wanted to personally thank you, Keeper, for your support in my recent RfB. I am thankful and appreciative that you feel that I am worthy of the trust the community requires of its bureaucrats, and I am especially thankful for your kind and heartfelt words, both during the discussion and immediately afterwards. I deeply appreciate them and I hope to continue to behave in a way that maintains your trust in me and my actions. I have heard the community's voice that they require more of a presence at RfA's of prospective bureaucrats, and I will do my best over the near future to demonstrate such a presence and allow the community to see my philosophy and practices in action. I hope I can continue to count on your support when I decide to once again undergo an RfB. If you have any suggestions, comments, or constructive criticisms, please let me know via talkpage or e-mail. Thank you again. -- Avi (talk) 17:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Haha
I liked your post here. Enigmamsg! 17:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
heh heh. Gives whole new meaning to "don't rock the boat", eh? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. Also, mock RfAs of some of the historical figures would be funny. Enigmamsg! 20:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd vote in them for sure. Could get ugly if it went into morerecentpoliticians though. I think a rule should be, for BLP reasons especially, that the mock RfA candidate, in order to qualify for a mock RfA, need in fact be dead. I've been chuckling to myself whilst typing this imagining some of the witty and wonderful remarks that would certainly arise...hee hee. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Second answer, now that I've read your userpage: 42. And I happen to agree, FWIW, with the userbox in the top left corner of your userpage, though I don't advertise it myself nor do I get involved in political articles here. Mine fields. .... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Good to hear. I have had some concerns myself with whether I should have the userbox up, because it can open me up to some vicious attacks from supporters of He Who Must Not Be Named. I find that it's often better to reveal as little about yourself as possible. Why do I have the userbox up, then? I question that every day. Enigmamsg! 21:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
What does Voldemort have to do with this? Just kidding, I know who you're talking about. And you and I are definitely in the minority around here, which is exactly why I don't get that involved in political articles or stances. I really like this place and what it stands for (the whole free information thing is profoundly a good thing). I generally disfavor userboxes for two reasons: One, not verifiable, anyone can put anything on their page, and 2., they tend to created division where division is unnecessary. I would say get rid of it. But that's just me. You have every right to have it there, and I'm certainly not telling you to censor yourself. But is it worth it? Userboxes, and opinions expressed in them, are blog material, not encyclopedic material. (he says whilst having several on his userpage). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm very receptive to suggestions. Maybe I was just waiting for someone to tell me to take it down. Ha. Seriously, if you have any other comments or recommendations, I'd love to hear them. I didn't expect you to visit my userpage in the first place, but I'm glad you did. You have more userboxes than me, though! Enigmamsg! 21:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I used to have way more though. I scaled way back to non-controversial or "necessary" ones. Right now, I have WikiProjects, admin, Univ. of Mn, a couple of funnies, and a couple of hobbies. Do you do a lot of editing on political articles? For example, if you in good faith removed something from, say this article, and someone checked out your userpage, they could easily ascribe a bias to you (right or wrong). If I remove something from, say this article, or this one, and someone checks my userpage, a bias wouldn't be perceived based on a userbox. Just my thoughts. They are worth exactly 2 lincolns. All that being said, I notice you've been around awhile and have a good number of edits. Have you ever considered adminship? Have you ever been through admin coaching?. Just wondering. Based on a cursory look through your contribs you seem to be committed to this place and perhaps could make good use of the extra buttons. Looking forward to your thoughts on this. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I have occasionally edited political articles, and that was my primary concern about the userbox. Any political edit could be ascribed to bias. One of many reasons not to reveal details about yourself. As for adminship, I haven't really considered it, but several admins suggested it's something for me to pursue. Right now, I'm trying to work with an admin on broadening my Wikipedia horizons because he wants me to build up a resume for a future RfA. I don't intend to officially enroll in Admin coaching any time soon, but I am aware of it. Thanks. Enigmamsg! 22:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I see you posted that he'd gone. I didn't realise that but there seems to be a pattern of the good guys moving out at present. Do you know why? (you can email if it's iffy). Who's next, I wonder? --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 18:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi! As somebody who commented on a January proposal to place all articles related to homeopathy on article probation, I would greatly appreciate your input on a new proposal to help combat disruption that would scrap the probation and implement discretionary sanctions. I apologize for any intrusion, but this is to my knowledge the first time sanctions of this nature have been attempted to be enforced by the community, so I feel that a wide range of opinions is necessary. Thank you in advance for any comments you may make. east718 (talk) 18:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Cheers
Cheers. This calls for pint of strong lager, and some serious dancing. And, you can pick up check too. Long live Sitakunda Upazila and all other obscure places in the world. Aditya(talk • contribs) 03:09, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Can you help me relist Sitakunda Upazila for a copyedit request? I can't find the way to do it. This is for an FA drive. I am also trying to take it to another round of peer review. Aditya(talk • contribs) 05:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. And... stay clear of the dread article that you've edited a zillion times. It may be very injurious to your health. (wink) But seriously, I need to relist at LOCE so that I don't really have to come back to you (not right away). You have already done way more than ordinarily any of us should have, and I do know how difficult it is to find your own error (I am much worse than you are). Thanks again. It was sooooooooo nice working with you it's beyond my words (not just because I right bad copy). Aditya(talk • contribs) 17:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Shane MacDougall
On 26 February you deleted Shane MacDougall after an AfD dicussion. You closed it as "Delte, although a small consensus.". The article was recreated with more sources (a major factor in its deletion). Since there was such a small consensus to delete in the first place I overturned the deletion without an official review. As my actions are extrajudicial, I felt it appropriate to appraise you of my actions. I would like to make clear that I do not think that you did anything wrong with the original deletion. If you disagree with me, I think that the best course of action would be for the article to go through another AFD. If you strongly disagree and delete it immediately, I won't undelete it. Jon513 (talk) 02:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Looks Good UEZZ. (I responded there as well) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Log redirect for List of popular songs based on classical music
That unpopular deletion, of what is currently a significant music research leads file, broke a lot of links. Could you add a soft redirect in the form of a userfication notice URL to the log that shows up at the redlinked deletion page? (Please reply here if desired)Milo 22:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
There is already a userfication notice at the AfD, which is linked from the deletion log. (I didn't R2 the redirect and I won't be undoing it). What else would you like? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
It takes at least some digging to find the userfication URL at the AfD. I think a lot of editors won't look any further than the deleted page log, since what is deleted is usually inaccessible, rather than having been moved out of article space.
If I correctly interpret your parenthetical reference, move hard redirects don't work across namespaces. The deleted page now has referring-article redlinks, which go a re-creation page showing a deletion log.
Is it not technically possible to add another comment line with the userfication URL to the deletion log (with no operation)? One can no-op comment with a dummy edit to article edit summaries, and this no-op commenting also seems to get done to block logs when errors needed correcting. Milo 00:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, maybe it's just really late where I live, but I only understood half of what you typed. What, (if anything) would you like me to do that a non-admin can't do?). You've lost me. (Disclaimer: I might understand this tomorrow morning, but tonight, I'm lost.) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
My RfB
Just a quick word to thank you for your support at my recent RfB which passed successfully with (133/4/3). I hope I can repay your faith in me! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
If you look here you'll see that the result of the discussion was delete, net keep and it is a repost. Do you have a link for a DRV for that cat? --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 19:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Yep. See here. Let me know if I've got things out of order here. Thanks, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. It took me a while to figure out where to find it. I had to expand the sockpuppet cleanup heading on a hunch. I'll renom. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 19:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Help for setting up a page in wiki
Hi there!
I am not sure of how to do this for UMS group Inc. so here I am, at your talk page. How do I put articles in my userspace and does it mean I can continue editting it until it is ready to be put up the mainspace? Thank you so much!
Achow11, You can create articles in your userspace instead of mainspace to avoid them getting deleted immediately. If you need any assistance in how to do this for UMS group Inc., let me know, I will assist you.
replied on your talkpage Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Integer Group
HI, I'm trying to post an article (The Integer Group) and I wanted to see if you could help me by suggesting what I can change in it to make sure it's not considered advertising. I didn't include any adjectives (that can't be verified) and I included the names of competition. I did link to a lot of external links (including competitor sites), is this the problem? Also, if there was more historic information about when the company was started, what other company it broke off from, would this be better. Thank you for your help. Friessj (talk) 21:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replied on your talkpage Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Re RfA
After reevaluating and drumming my fingers on my computer desk, I've changed my vote to weak support. I honestly found the answers to the questions quite inviting. Q9 was certainly good, and I was thinking to myself..hmm..that's probably what I would do : ) Also, it appears that his contributions were low in number, but not in quality and he had more AfD participation than I originally thought. Good nomination! Keep it real man. Wisdom89(T / C) 02:52, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
FlexLink
I don't understand why you deleted our page! It was on a five day watch list from yesterday. I changed the new text which I guess was offensive to the Wiki trying to make it more descriptive and informative. BUT I didn't expect someone to just delete it. This is not a democratic way to build the Wiki. FlexLink (talk) 08:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I've replied on your talkpage. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello you! I understand your point, BUT fact is that this page has lived on the Wiki for a year without any comments from Admins, if the content was all that bad I'm sure someone would have reacted earlier. Also I didn't get more than one day to improve it? The first warning message said it was on a five days watch list!! When I updated and added the new content, which I agree was not good enough, you decide to delete the entire page? Not worthy a kudos if you ask me... =) Can you please undelete and revert to the old version, and I promise to improve the old content aswell! That's not too much to ask for, right? FlexLink (talk) 09:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I understand the issue. I have been talking to my coach, Fabrictramp, who also asked me to stop for now on closing AFD's until my admin coach, Rlvese, gives me the go ahead after we have done some practice. Thanks for your concern. In this last issue though, I think the Admins were just trying to get my attention because of me not placing the template on the talk page's. Most of them were a clear cut and were reclosed or relisted then closed as a keep with the exception of one which is questionable....however, it was the Admin's decision and I respect it. Dustitalk to me 17:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I hope this doesn't diminish me as an editor in your eyes. Dustitalk to me 17:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
My hat is off to User:Keeper76 who closed this debate. Even though I argued on the other side of his decision I offer sincere respect to Keeper for a well-articulated explanation of the decision and respect just for having the courage to tackle a difficult AFD closure. Had I been in his position I might have ducked the difficult decision. Out of curiousity, how does it come about that a particular admin ends up closing a particular debate? Is it a deliberate choice or something as simple as taking the next AFD in order? Sbowers3 (talk) 01:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Similar thanks from me - I think the decision turned out to be the right one, and many thanks for your comments to the proposed guideline page. I took your comments on board and have amended the guideline slightly. Out of interest, should I have moved this into project space? Fritzpoll (talk) 10:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
3rded. That was a tough call with a lot of unproductive comments to wade through. I'm very glad it's resolved since a) we can move forward until the next death and b) it's off my watchlist, which it was flooding :) TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 11:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Posterity page
If your posterity page isn't PG-rated, this unblock summary would make a great comment. MBisanztalk 07:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Riana's request for bureaucratship
Dear Keeper76, thank you for taking part in my RfB. As you may know, it was not passed by bureaucrats. I would, however, like to thank you for taking the time to voice your support, despite concerns cited by the opposition. Although RfA/B isn't really about a person, but more about the community, I was deeply touched and honoured by the outpouring of support and interest in the discussion. I can only hope that you don't feel your opinion was not considered enough - bureaucrats have to give everyone's thoughts weight. I also hope that the results of this RfB lead to some change in the way we approach RfBs, and some thought about whether long-entrenched standards are a good thing in our growing and increasingly heterogenous community. I remain eager to serve you as an administrator and as an editor. If at any point you see something problematic in my actions, please do not hesitate to call me out. ~ Riana ⁂ 12:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad you liked my answer! I tried to speak from the heart. :) ~ Riana ⁂ 12:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Youth United. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Extolmonica (talk) 20:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The justification
No, It can be sent to the admins who were otherwise interested in the article. I thought the same. Sorry to bother though. Thanks. Extolmonica (talk) 20:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hiya! Quick question for you. At some point in the past, most of the nn elementary schools were re-directed to the district page and as I try to add in subheads for all, like the ones I merged yesterday, I'm wondering if there's any way to see what the text was before the re-direct and merge it, or does that break GFDL? I doubt there was any non re-findable info, but I figured if it was possible it would save time. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 13:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
RfA
Hey Keep - just wanted to say, away from the drama, that you shouldn't fret over the outcome of my RfA. I sort of saw this coming - you gave me a chance to convince you over the past few weeks, but other editors didn't get that chance. We were shooting for a May RfA in the first place, that'd probably be a good spot to come back if/when this one fails. The only thing I'm disappointed in is how I seem, for some reason, to be being treated differently than other users. Not a single comment on the coaching page? Wow. My use of "show preview" is killing me; apparently the thing to do is to actually make more edits solely to pump up the project/mainspace editcount. Sigh. Anyways, you've been a fantastic coach, and if we don't get it now, we'll get it in May. Like I thought while making coffee this morning, it's not like I can't contribute to Wiki in the meantime. Tanthalas39 (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Remember the part in coaching about having thick skin and good humor? You have proven to me without a doubt that you have both, and in larger quantities than I. I most certainly did not see this coming, and I'm angry at myself for that. If it was my own RfA that was getting these comments, sobeit. But I put you there and I'm shocked at the out-of-process approach that seems to be unfolding. No extra questions? Sockpuppet "jokes?" Holy shit, I'm disappointed. I've looked through the concurrent RfAs. Poeloq has a very similar background and experience level as you. He has 20 friggin questions, including joke questions about how many questions he has. And he has support. I'm taking the rest of the day off of this place. I just can't believe how you're being treated and I'm glad you're taking it way better than me.
And the problem I have with "waiting until May" is exactly what you said. It's just pumping up your edit count. You don't need any more coaching. You already get it. It's busywork at this point for both of us and simply delaying the inevitable. Keep doing what you do well, though Dan. Use "show preview". Keep your edits clean. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, you'll get new opposes "in May" that say you have too many mainspace edits and need to use "show preview."
I need to be done with this place today. (but I'll probably peak at your RfA now and then, I'm a glutton for punishment:-) Cheers friend, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, don't go too far. I'm riding at 65%, and if I can get some questions in there to prove my mettle, we might have an outside chance at this. Not that many people have voted yet (20?) and if we can get some stuff up at the top that overrides oppositional concern.... think Harry Truman ;-) Tanthalas39 (talk) 15:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Canvassing has never been more tempting to me than it is right now. :-) Thanks for your continued good humor and optimism. I won't go far. :-) -Keep 16:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
That last oppositional vote is the most frustrating kind. Tanthalas39 (talk) 19:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
The last one? How 'bout the last two. Both new users. I trust the 'crats though. Those two "votes" are both good faith, but both clueless oppositions. Both piss me right off. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Pedro's endorsement was huge. Things could still work out! Tanthalas39 (talk) 20:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Pedro is one of the best and most prolific RfA not-voters, and I knew he would come around. He is thoughtful, precise, and usually spot-on. In other words, certainly doesn't hurt! 6 days to go, my friend. 6 days...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
That IP edit one apparently just wasn't logged on... they changed it, then you came and screwed it all up ;-) Tanthalas39 (talk) 23:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
It's a valid support, but they need to log in. Haven't seen that yet, but I'm going offline at the moment until tomorrow. Fix it if/when he/she logs in. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Good thing we got some questions in the mix yesterday. Things are looking up. Tanthalas39 (talk) 14:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
75% at the moment. No matter the outcome at this point (and I'm pretty sure you'll pass), I feel a ton better about the structure of your RfA. You've done an absolutely terrific job of answering questions. You're getting a fair shake, which is all I wanted for you (or to use a really bad baseball analogy - you can't hit a homerun unless someone pitches you the ball.) Cheers editor, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Sigh. This JayJay thing might sink me. While I still don't think I did anything wrong, I have learned something - be EXTREMELY careful with the whole homeopathy arena. Tanthalas39 (talk) 18:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
You didn't do anything wrong, you did what I said you should do in coaching, namely get involved in AN and ANI. For me, I usually TEN FOOT POLE anything related to homeopathy. It's become very feudal (meaning nobody even remembers the roots of the conflict, but just knows there's conflict) It's conflict for conflict's sake. Ironically, his advice is rather contridictory. He says get more involved in controversial AN and ANI threads. As if that would help you make less enemies. Good grief. FWIW, and I'll admit a bias here, your thread at ANI was harmless and well spoken. Your answers to his loaded questions were well stated, civil, and succinct. JayJay is a well respected editor and has put thought into his good faith oppose, I obviously disagree with him. DIYDDIYD. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
This whole debacle has made me loath to log on to Wiki in the morning. I'm not going to post it on there, but his motion of "good faith" is pretty much flat-out wrong. Learn from what? I think I made it perfectly clear what my intentions were, and I'm not apologizing for them. It wasn't a lack of experience on my part, it was differing opinions. Forgive me for making an observational warning on a meta page.
I'm going to stop checking it every half hour, it just frustrates me. The lack of experience oppositions were one thing, this one is another. I should really keep doing what I do best, anyway, for the moment. Tanthalas39 (talk) 15:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I hear ya, Tan. Don't get too discouraged. It is a difference of opinion, as you said, nothing more. It's not over yet, keep your head high. BTW Carl von Donop looks great! Nice work. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Keep - can you let me know if this post to Tim Vicker's talk page was appropriate? My motives were completely well-intentioned, I just want a second opinion... Tanthalas39 (talk) 23:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that was absolutely fine. Well worded and simply asking for clarification. I don't foresee anyone having a problem with it. Canvassing would be sending multiple copy/paste messages about your Rfa to editors that haven't participated yet. Actually, I probably would have gone there myself had I not been fast asleep. I already have asked for clarification/expansion/revisiting from three other editors on your behalf - pedro, wisdom39 and balloonman. :) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
RfA - Discospinster
Thank you so much for your support in my RfA, which was successful with a final count of 70/1/1! ...discospinstertalk 23:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Please deal with me as a human. Heavy handed responses to real issues do not solve anything. They only get worse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.210.167 (talk) 03:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Re: AFD
I relisted this AFD because it was in an old AFD category. By relisting it, it would draw more comments and participation in the discussion. I didn't see any recent discussion, so I relisted it, as well as a couple other AFD's, as you can see in my contributions. Were these a mistake as well? I can only learn the process and guidelines by trail and error. Dustitalk to me 16:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I am just doing what my Admin coach wants me to do, which is close obvious AFD's. To me, that is where there is an obvious outcome (such as in the last AFD I closed) where say 6 people say Keep and 1 says Delete. Now, I am not going anywhere near anything closer than that. I feel I am asked to close some of these because of recent incidences (sigh) and to gain an understanding of the RFD process for when I do go back to RFA. I know your weary of me doing this, but how about we do this. If you wish, compile me a list of AFD's you would like me to review and let me tell you my opinion on the way it should be closed. If it is a keep (after I tell you and you OK it) then I will close it as such. Somewhat of an exercise to help me better understand the AFD process. What do you say? Dustitalk to me 17:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I think these are the only non admin closures avaliable to close in this log. Clock's ticking :) LOL J/K, waiting for reply. Dustitalk to me 17:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure, let me close these first and then I will come back with more. Question, why wouldn't the two "List...." links work right? Dustitalk to me 17:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Question #2, shouldn't articles that are relisted be relisted on the current day's AFD log? If so, then why on March 7th are there artilces that were relisted today? Understand my question? Here's some help:
Maybe I read it wrong, but Wikipedia:Deletion_Process#Articles_for_Deletion_page #8 says.."If not enough discussion happened to determine a consensus or lack thereof add {{subst:relist|~~~~}} below the last comment and relist the AFD subpage on the listings for the current date. Remove the AFD listing from the log for the original date (if the debate is left on the old log, the "ready for closing" list at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old is broken).
:-) Small Celebration here. I feel better. I was confused as I was going through and saw that and was like huh? The first thing I did was to see if it was an admin or not and saw it was an admin and thought, well- maybe I missed something. I did something right again....wow. I'm working on your next list. Dustitalk to me 18:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I see no more in the older logs (between 5 and 7 days old) that are Clear cut cases of consensus being reached in a keep decision. Plenty of deletes, but none otherwise. There are a couple that are like say 11/1 but the 1 is what's holding me back (I don't want to go there). Thanks for your help. I'm going to do some coaching with Fabrictramp. Again, thanks Dustitalk to me 18:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Barnstar
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For being there in a blink of an eye to help me and revert my mistakes. Your kindness has not only kept me here, but also sane!!!! Thanks Keeper. Your one of a kind Dustitalk to me 18:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Re:ANI user
I'd love to topic ban him from Wikipedia-space proposals and template creations. The hours wasted by some of our most productive editors in debating his endless Bad Ideas! I was involved earlier and have tracked the situation from a birdseye view, but have given up saying "No, that idea is against the purpose of the Project" 20 times a day. MBisanztalk 19:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Comparision of desktop search software, deletion of
"The deletion rationale, that this is synthesis writing, combined with the lack of reliable independent sources, outweigh the only given keep rationale of other lists exist." The other comparisons/lists could just as easily be nominated for deletion if necessary. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)"
1) There are other synthesis articles in wikipedia.
2) Some of those other synthesis articles lack even more reliable independent sources than this article that was deleted.
3) How can it outweight if there are articles in "worse" condition?!!!
4) What exactly is the "if necessary"???
Why don't "admins" realize that these articles are important and usefull to a lot of people?
Why is there such a lack of fairness and good faith in moderators here? Was it just bad luck in the moderators?
How can I ask for the deletion be revised by other moderators/admins... hopefully more pragmatic...
I'm sorry you disagree with the decision I made. You are more than welcome to find other "moderators" to review this deletion. It is a venue called deletion review. Best of luck to you. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Per comments on the talk page, I have moved the guideline into project space for wider discussion. Just letting you know as a contributor to this page Fritzpoll (talk) 16:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
AfD decision
Hi Keeper. Could you explain why you made this decision? Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ57 19:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Keeper. Thanks for the reply. My problem was that the closure (as you have said) seemed to be based on vote counting rather than an assessment of the reasons given - I didn't see any reference to policy in the keep votes, only the delete ones. This identical AfD was closed as delete a few days earlier for the same reason. пﮟოьεԻ57 20:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, cheers again for the reply. I'll have a think about DRV, and let you know if I take it there. Regards, пﮟოьεԻ57 20:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Twins ubx
I created a userbox for the Twins project, and I was wondering if you would like to see it. Here is the link. Basketball110 04:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks B110! I like it better than the other, so I switched to using yours on my userpage. Nice work, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Deletion of Boy Wonder (rapper)
Dear Keeper76,
What is the reason my entry on the rapper Boy Wonder got deleted?
And could i get a copy of the deleted article?
What do you think? Dustitalk to me 17:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Done, looking better?!?! Dustitalk to me 17:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Done, thanks for that reminder. How am I looking? 3/3 that's better than the old count lol. Dustitalk to me 17:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I am looking at a couple of months maybe for the next RFA, just absorbing as much as I can and taking a deep breath. Can you explain the script thing to me that Camaron left on my talk page. I don't use those, but it sounds useful. Dustitalk to me 17:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll check into it. Again thanks. Any words of wisdom today? Dustitalk to me 18:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I just stumbled across it—hilarious! -- Avi (talk) 18:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Glad you liked it. I would assume you are now making it a personal goal to say something particularly witty to earn a place in history....oh, and BTW, I just replied to you at WT:RFA. cheers kind editor, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid I will never live up to those standards. My strength is in parody and restructuring, such as here, not ingenuity :( -- Avi (talk) 20:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
RFA thanks
Thanks for the support
Thanks for your support on my request for adminship. It passed 92/2/2, and I hope to live up to the community's expectation (particularly yours). ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey coach
Hey Keeper. Looks like we got caught short this time, but given a little more experience to convince the recent opposition, I'm sure I'll be issued the mop in a few months. I'm really not disappointed in not being an admin - I admit that it's a little disconcerting that some people thought I would actually be bad for Wikipedia, but I'm sure most people will see in time that all I have is Wikipedia's higher goals in mind. Plus, in the meantime, I can keep working on some projects. Anyway, I'd really like to keep working with you - I don't want to take up all your time, but if you could throw me some "assignments" to work on, and you give your opinions at the end, I would really appreciate that. I'm going to ask Balloonman, who was my main opposition (and piece de resistance to my RfA) the same thing. Maybe we can spawn some good debates/discussions around here on some of the finer aspects of Wikipedia policy. Or, maybe if I just can come up with a cooler sig... ;-) Tanthalas39 (talk) 02:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, again, I truly value(d) your coaching, and especially your enthusiastic support.
Greetings
How is today? Could you check into the comment left on my talkpage about the AFD I closed yesterday? Dustitalk to me 17:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow, um..... This has just been a great week so far. Dustitalk to me 18:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again!
Well thanks for the info, and yes I did send you a cookie, maybe that was why I was in your watchlist. The AfD I closed was a speedy deleted article which was in my watchlist, and I did that more for housecleaning than anything else. If I made a mistake sorry, won't do it again! Wildthing61476 (talk) 19:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
personal attack
Yeah, sorry about that. I've got anger management issues. -- Ketchup Krew Heinz 57! 19:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm here to inform you that your request for approval of drunken slurr's(sp?) has now been archived to a non existent page. *hic* SynergeticMaggot (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
clink! Thanks SM. Cool username by the way. One of the best I've seen. Its a keeper. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
lol :-D that would be a bug in Twinkle, not me going dot-crazy. —Remember the dot(talk) 20:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Re: ADCO p2
Cursing, I can blame on listening to Limp Bizkit on infinite loop.
Username, I can blame on lack of creativity.
Lack of ADCO, I can blame on my mentor not having made an edit since 2008-03-08.
And what does it matter? This week has probably completely ruined my chance of becoming an admin ever again. Two One Six Five Five τ ʃ 20:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Phrased it wrong. Wasn't really trying to point fingers. Also, clarify what last change offer means. I don't think I got it... Two One Six Five Five τ ʃ 20:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
RfA Thanks
Thanks!
So, yeah, you know how these work... »»»»
Thank you very much for your support in my recent RfA, which closed with a final tally of (75/1/0). Your trust in me is greatly appreciated, and I can assure you it has not been misplaced. I shall use these tools to the best of my ability, and will do my best not to let you down. Thank you once again, and happy editing as always! Hersfold(t/a/c) 20:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
AN/I Punchlines
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Here have another on me, was a bit quick on the trigger there! Wildthing61476 (talk) 21:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
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Listen, Keeper07, you could coach me forever and a day if you wanted to, and it would get either of us nowhere. Trust me, your efforts are being completely wasted on me and that's the last thing I need.
To clarify, I've decided I'm not going to RFA ever again. Ever. I'm just gonna stick to what I do best, and do that until the day I die/retire, and that's putting vandals in their place. You say it gives me stress, but to me it's more of a calming ritual. After all, it's just: Open Huggle. Log in. Load an edit. Nope, not vandalism. Next item. Vandalism. Revert and issue user warning. Next item. Vandalism. Revert and issue user warning. Next item. Nope. Next item. Vandalism. Rev--WTF, DerHexer? Next item. Vandalism. Revert and issue warning. Next item. Vandalism. Revert and report. Next item. Vandalism. Revert and issue user warning. Put Huggle aside for a while and go to WP:VINFO to raise the level. Ctrl-Tab back to Huggle. Next item. There's a sense of pride somewhere in there, but definitely not stress, of that I'm sure. Sure, I'll make the occasional mistake, but that's a slap with a WikiTrout, not the beating I took in my RFA.
So what if I can't have the tools to block the admin myself? That's what WP:AIV is for. And so what if I can't grant WP:RFRs? Someone else will get to them. And so what if I can't help out in WP:CSD/WP:AFD? See previous.
All in all, you're wasting your time. I don't want, slash, need an army admin coach. And in the highly unlikely event that I change my mind, there're tons more out there, most of whom haven't even heard of either of my RFAs (thank God).
Bottom line: Don't needlessly expend effort on me when you could put it on somewhere that yields a result, like the links above. You could WP:RFC/U me for gross incivility and being melodramatic for all I care, but my mind is set. No. Arr. Ef. Ays. Ever. Again.Period.
Also, I can be as emotional as I damn well please (yes, I know how much you love curse words). Since BEFORE I even heard of Wikipedia, I've been a chronically short-tempered person and still plan to be for years to come. Just be glad I tried keeping a level head (emphasis: tried) and didn't pull a RickK again, although I'm half-tempted to right now.
PS: You people have got to stop suggesting breaks. It only gives me that much more time to decide on an action most people don't need taking place. After all, they did ask for a break in my first RFA, didn't they? What happened after that, hmm? Two One Six Five Five τ ʃ 01:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
PPS: Your link to TPH's RFA only proves that he's a better editor than I am. Two One Six Five Five τ ʃ 01:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I would like to thank you for your participation in my recent RfA, which I'm very glad to say was successful at 81/7/0. Some of the very best that Wikipedia has to offer came out to support or oppose me and the kind words from all the editors has really given me confidence to be an admin and I can't wait to start. I will take the advice of the opposes and not jump into any content disputes immediately. As well, I will try to add more content myself. Anyways, in thanks for participating in my RfA, I got you something great but I can't show you because it's fair-use only. Excuse me, I mean non-free. Enjoy! --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk - Contribs) 14:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Steve Nary - The AFD
Just a few lines ||--//| to say thanks for offing this article when you did. I was surprised no-one else at all cared to wade in, considering it was so irretreivably anti-WPable. And with the lavish use of epithets and rhetorical outrage to drive the POV home, I felt as though I was reading a transcript of some enraged pisshead at the end of a bar at the end of the night. Creator didn't seem to exist elsewhere so I hope this is it from that end. Truly, I was quite shocked and disturbed - somewhat exclusively it seems! Anyway, cheers again. All the best Plutonium27 (talk) 19:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
No problem, thanks for your kind words. Generally, I'll relist something with that small of a discussion to try to get a wider consensus. I only had to read one or two paragraphs into the article to see what the article really was. It was really an attack page, and could've even been speedied based on WP:CSD#G10. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Sir, I know about the comments
I just wanted to make sure of it my voice was heard, and I figured it could be heard better if I titled my concern.Kevin j (talk) 19:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
The irony of course, is that by "voicing your concerns" in such an unconventional way, you've actually drawn negative attention to yourself, assumedly the opposite of what your stated goal was. I changed your "over-posting" to bolds to make it flow as a conversation. Nothing more. I've never run across you, I'm not calling you guilty of anything or innocent of anything, by the way. Just trying to help. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
And, your "titles" are still in bold, so they stand out. They just aren't there own threads anymore, but they are stil bolded. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Gunnin' for #1
The current version is not nearly so spammy. I did have to block the creator, though, when I realized that it's a role account for Yauch's film label, Oscilloscope Pictures. They'd even put in a spammy bit about "a major motion picture in theaters Spring/Summer 2008" into an article on the park involved! --Orange Mike | Talk 21:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, like I said, in its current form it's kosher. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I have some trouble with this user. I didn't agree with him/her here, so the user decides to stalk me, and make pointless contributions to articles that I've worked hard on. I can't revert him/her anymore because of 3RR, so I need some help. The Prince (talk) 17:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I made two replies concerning Template:FFVII. One was here, the other was here.. Prince, I'll look through your and FS's other contribs to be sure that he/she isn't stalking. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Saw it already. Blocked him for violating 3RR just now because he blanked the template after making 3 reversions. He's blocked for 24hours. Sorry for the trouble. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Missions, etc.
Thanks for the explanation (and vindication) on the question of moving talk pages. And I'm glad you concur that "one thing leads to another" in finding out info on wikipedia. Many of my disputes here have been on exactly that topic, wanting wikipedia to "be all it can be", a great source of info. But as you cautioned, it's possible to have too many battles. I have enough to do, just defending articles that I have a true interest in (on topics suggested by my user name), and what I didn't say on WP:ANI, the other thing that I learned, is that the thing most likely to get me into trouble is having too many articles on my watch list. When I find things are accelerating, then it's usually time to pare down the watch list. Thank you for your consideration. :) P.S. I will probably, in fact, revert that one nonsensical paragraph in that one article again. But after a fair interval, not today. And then I'll take it off the watch list and let the other users slug it out if necessary. :) Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 20:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for calling the above comments sensible. I'll take any strokes I can get. :) My friends who are devoted to the Twins are predicting a World Series win. Part of my answer is similar to what you said: "Yes, it could happen. But watch out for the Chicago Cubs!" As long as Sports Illustrated doesn't pick either one of those teams to win it all, because that would be the kiss of death. And here's a radical idea: If it's the Cubs and Twins, the winner will turn on who hosts the 7th game. If it's Chicago, the Twins will win. If it's Minnesota, the Cubs have a chance. I have profound and probably spurious reasons for reaching that conclusion. d:) Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 21:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
The one spring training game I'm looking forward to is the Red Sox and the Dodgers in the Los Angeles Coliseum next weekend. I'm expecting Manny Ramirefz and David Ortiz to go bananas with that short fence in left. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 21:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
The Twins lost Game 7 in 1965 at home, but that was at the Old Met. They've never lost any home World Series Game at the Metrodome, but they've obviously lost some other post-season games there. The reason I don't think the Cubs can win Game 7 at Wrigley Field, if it comes to that, is because of my suspicions, as much as I love the old ballpark, that it's a jinx. That doesn't mean they can win Game 7 in the Dome, though. And the latter is the more likely venue, given how worthless the National League has been in the All-Star game recently. P.S. I might be one of the few defenders of the Dome. Although it looks like it was built by any number of lowest bidders, there's nothing seriously wrong with it, and the games are comfortable in any weather. Also, the Old Met held its first home game on April 21, 1965. Can you imagine opening outdoors in Minneapolis on April 1, 2010, or whenever? Brrr. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 21:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I remember the 1965 Series. In any case, I think we are in total agreement on the Dome. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 22:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Older equates to having been around longer, not being better, necessarily. I rooted for the Twins in 65 and 87. I was on the fence in 91, but it was OK. Who knew the Braves would own the NL Central for the next 15 years or so? Well, Tim McCarver did, or guessed right anyway, because he predicted that Braves team would be around, even as the Twins were celebrating. Anyway, those 87 and 91 Series were great entertainment... and before steroids and megabucks changed everything. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 22:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Reply
Ok, I didn't know a signature can cause so much trouble. This is my last time I'm going to use it.--RyRy5talk 21:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Is this signature OK?--RyRy5talk 21:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I think it looks kinda small for some people to read. Is it possible to keep it at size 4?--RyRy5talk 21:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for bugging you but...is it possible to make it 3 and a half. If so, how do you put it at size 3 and a half.--RyRy5talk 21:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I guess I'll keep it at 3. It's also not the biggest signature I have seen. I liked it to be at 4 because someone else has his signature at 4 with the same font type. I forgive you.--RyRy5talk 21:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I forgot about the talk. Again, sorry for everything...--RyRy5talk 21:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Bzuk
Keeper, not sure why you removed my comments on AN/I. Nothing inaccurate posted. I was hoping a little encouragement from other editors would get Bzuk back on track. If you look bask on the Stefo case, you can see how worked up he gets with the issue. Cheers 91.50.90.154 (talk) 23:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your support in my RFA. The final vote count was (73/3/1), so I am now an administrator. Please let me know if at any stage you need help, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an admin. Have a nice day! :) AletaSing 17:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Re: Rfa
Oh, I know your not trying to bash me or anything. ;) But, like I've told other people, I sorta want to end this. Do you how I can close this? -- ThinkBlue (HitBLUE) 17:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I gotta say, I disagree with your call pretty strongly. I could have closed it as keep myself, but I felt there wasn't enough input from other people. Quan is signed to a major record label, Atlantic Records, and has appeared on the albums of three separate, notable artists: Nas, Cassidy and Jeannie Ortega. I realize it's pretty badly written, but there's a clear-cut base for notability here. GlassCobra 10:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey GC, thanks for your post. Upon relooking at the Afd (thanks for the link, I couldn't remember this one!), I felt that the deletes outweighed the keeps based on the links the deletes provided that showed a parsity of verifiable independent sources. I can see a case for a relist though to get a stronger consensus one way or the other, perhaps I should've done that instead of closing. If you'd like, you can undo my close and relist the current AfD (which maintains the ongoing discussion), or you can take the current close to DRV. Much appreciate your taking it here first though!. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Alright, I found a couple more sources and took it to DRV. GlassCobra 18:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Keeper, I don't want to get AfD'd for COI, so I ask your opinion:
I would like to start an article on the Three Dimensional Black Board. Before I spend alot of time detailing the science behind the device, I would like clarification on policy to make sure that I won't be violating any Conflict of Interest Policy. Your comments on the matter are appreciated in advance. 85.82.28.192 (talk) 02:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the post, anon. There a couple of ways you can get an article on Wikipedia. First, make sure it's a subject matter that is both notable and verifiable through independent sources (in other words, has any one outside of your company written about the TDBB beyond press releases? Also, if you've never written an article from scratch before, you may find WP:YFA very helpful. If you don't have a username, (and there are good reasons why you should, besides being able to start your own article), someone else will need to start the article for you. You can request an article at WP:AFC. Thanks anon, have a good day - Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Sig
Hey Keep. I commented on my new sig here on the coaching page. A "homage", if you will. Let me know if you have any copyright issues with it ;-) Tan | 39 17:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
You owe me 63 dollars to buy me off, otherwise you'll get a copyright infringement suit. (crap, did I just violate WP:LEGAL? Please don't block me Tan!. (Oh, wait...). Sorry, I'm in a weird mood today. As for the signature, I stole it from someone else. Not sure who anymore, someone that's gone I think, or changed again...hmm, that's gonna bug me now. I need to go look at the coachpage now don't I? Haven't yet today. Have you done any more of Bman's "exercises"? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Nope, haven't done anymore. Need to get amped up to do them. In fact, on my to-do list today (I love to-do lists) I have four Wiki-related tasks: 1) Do 5 of Balloonman's AfD assignment tasks, 2) finish sending RfA thank-yous, 3) find next Rev. War stub expansion project, and 4) identify GA article project. Of course, these are competing with the nine work-related tasks and eight home-related tasks. Sigh. Tan | 39 17:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Just be sure to keep your wiki-priorities straight. I mean, your priorities. I mean your wiki-priorities. A couple of signs of wiki-overload: If other websites use of bright orange bars near the top of the screens make you angry because you think you have new messages? Get off wiki. If other webpages, using red fonts for links, make you feel like they are somehow inferior and are rife with bad links to nowhere? Time to get off wiki. If you sign an email with 4 tildes, (I actually did this once, shit.) Time to get off wiki. If you have family members, paycheck writers, etc, screaming at you to get off the @#(*$^% computer, time to get off wiki. Other than that, go !vote on something somewhere. :-). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Dude, I actually dream about Wiki once in awhile. Not nightmares or anything, but just straight up stuff - some crazy AN/I issue. I'm old enough to keep some balance in my life, but jeez, if I didn't hold the project in such high importance... I'd go see a shrink ;-) Tan | 39 17:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
The number of emails I've signed with ~~~~ and the number of IMs with non-wikipedians that now end with "Happy editing" is truly bizarre. My friends keep asking "So when do you start getting paid?" and when I tell them never, they say I'm nuts. I think I'm just dedicated... MBisanztalk 07:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
As a matter of fact....
...I did NOT need a "k". Still don't. So thank you. (See what happens when you warn vandals? You get a drive-by "k"-ing. This seems to be the sort of thing someone should be shrieking about on AN/I. Should I round up the usual suspects for shrieking-duty?)Gladys J Cortez 17:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
'k. (short for "Okay", don't revert me! :-). Actually, it's better than a driver by f-ing, I suppose...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Starfire777's damnation list
I don't think you need to worry about it, Friend Keeper. We Christian Wikipedians answer to a Higher Power than even Jimbo! --Orange Mike | Talk 18:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC) left-wing American Quaker and admin
Not a Christian, but am a conservative. I appreciate there are some honorable conservative Christians like yourself still on the internet. --Aunt Entropy (talk) 18:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind replies! Cheers friends, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Sig
I changed my signature. I also told my adoptee to change her signature too.--RyRy5talk 20:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I changed my signature. --Writergirlrockstalk 21:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I wouldn't have, but RyRy5, the guy who adopted me told me to make it bigger, so I did, but I guess I shouldn't have. --Writergirlrockstalk 21:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I didn't mean that big. At least it's smaller. Thanks.--RyRy5talk 06:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Re:Martijn Hoekstra
Sure, of course it would be okay if you co-nommed! See my comment at his talk page. :-) Best regards, Húsönd 00:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Is it a dog? Is it a cat? Is it a spotty teenager?
Wait, are you calling me a spotty teenager? Or you? I would personally prefer to be a dog. thanks for the B-star - you rock, Rt. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Best of luck to you. Sigh. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Your quotes page
As it happens, I have it watchlisted, so I'd have known about my addition to it even if you hadn't told me. Still, thanks for letting me know, and I'm honoured to be included among such august company. I try to keep the first half of my username a misnomer on-wiki, but sometimes my natural tendencies slip through. Oh well - all in good fun. Thanks again. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 02:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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Concerning our discussion on Malleus Fatuarum's alleged incivility
I apologize if I was at any point rude to you during our discussion on Malleus Fatuarum's talk page. That's pretty much all I have to say. — scetoaux(T/C) 00:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
No worries, good editor. I hadn't had my morning cup of coffee yet, I'm sure I could've phrased my stuff better, and for that I apologize as well. I have some sort of strange affection for Malleus, and many editors that I respect have confronted him. He knows he's gruff. If you are interested, look through his talk archives. My first experiences with him were exactly (pretty much) what yours were, asking him about civility. I've come to learn that he has a very unique, and IMO, valuable, place here. He calls things what they are and doesn't back down from anything. I've grown to respect him and his contributions. Take a gander through his article writing, GAs, etc, and I honestly think you'll grow to have an appreciation for his work. Because of his diligence and dedication to what we are really here for, that being article writing and improvement, I will defend him (and his meta-gruffness) to the bitter end. Cheers, Scetoaux, hopefully there are no hard feelings. I have newfound respect for you as it takes a big person to initiate a reconciliation. For what its worth, I never had any hard feelings to begin with towards you personally - 1 - lifes too short, and 2 - there is no two. Life's too short.). Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I never expected an apology in return from you, but I certainly do appreciate it. And as for the RfC, I think it would just be better if we both avoided that topic when we talk to each-other. :P — scetoaux(T/C) 01:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like a deal. I have watchlisted the RfC, it doesn't look like there's been much activity there. Obviously and admittedly, I'm biased, but what do you think about closing it? Also (and completely unrelated), how do you pronounce your username? It's an interesting name, I just can't type it for the life of me. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
If I were the sole contributor to the RfC, then I'd agree to closing it, but I am not, and as thus I'd prefer you ask the other two parties involved. And as for my username, it's pronounced "SCE" (the letters) "to AUX" (as in auxiliary). I was a username I came up with years ago that I used on the Orbiter Space Flight Simulator forums. It's a reference to a call made by an Apollo 12 mission controller that told one of the astronauts to flip a certain switch that reset the spacecraft's electrical systems after it was hit by lightning during launch. This move saved the mission. Apollo 12#Mission highlights — scetoaux(T/C) 01:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Fascinating username! I will read that article you linked tomorrow, for now, I'm going offline. As for the RfC, Epbr has had a longstanding dispute with Malleus (right or wrong is not for me to judge). As for Balloonman, you're right, it's up to him as co-certifier. Perhaps a talkpage message to him could get direction one way or the other? See how he's feeling about it. Whatever happens, happens. It hasn't seemed to bother Malleus either way, so if it stays open, it stays open. If it closes, it closes. At this point, its highly unlikely that any resolution or definitive action will come of it. As for Malleus, he's never denied that he could perhaps be more tactful in his meta-posts. He's a "direct communicator", which is often read (and even misread) as incivility. He knows that. He won't be changing that anytime soon, I presume. Hopefully, he continues to add valuable encyclopedic info to this little crazy world we all choose to type for. Whatever happesn, perhaps just an avoidance of each other is in order? I'm going offline now for about 12 hours, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Cheers! I'll think about it what you said. — scetoaux(T/C) 01:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I really don't want anyone to fall out over this RfC, and I don't see any reason why they should. Keeper is quite right in saying that I'd be the first to admit that I probably won't be invited to join the diplomatic corps in this lifetime, and probably not in my next either. I don't accept the charge of "incivility" and I never will, no matter how many RfCs anyone initiates. Could I be more tactful sometimes? Probably. Will I be more tactful in the future? Perhaps. Will I stop saying it as I see it? No.
Keeper is also right in saying that I'm not bothered about whether this RfC stays open or not. If it allows you (Scetoaux) and a few others to get some things off their chests, then that can only be a good thing. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I would like to thank you for your recent comments in my ongoing RfC. You said what I would not have been able to say without inflaming the situation. I only hope that doesn't now result in an RfC against you. If it does, you can count on my full support, of course. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I have this watchlisted. I wonder what other dirty laundry I've got? (and, reading your edit summary, I got the joke. :-). Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I would also like to thank you for your contributions to the RfC. The later comments you made were apt and, although I felt they needed to be said, for obvious reasons, I, like Malleus, did not feel able to say them myself. DDStretch (talk) 00:27, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Hel (band). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Heather (talk) 15:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Transwiki
Hey Keep. Can you help me with a transwiki of Ambituity? Found it on new page patrol. Or, let me know what you would do with this. I posted that template but it hasn't been moved yet, obviously. Tan | 39 19:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't the template say it's been moved? Sorry, I haven't looked closely. Just made a rather winded comment to Epbr here. Sigh. Give me a bit on this, I haven't done much trans-wiki anthings....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Yep, the template says that, but I added that template without actually moving it. The help pages are all a little vague (or I'm dense). This would be a good thing to learn, so if you can figure anything out, let me know! Regarding the MF thing, I said my little piece and am staying out of it beyond that. Tan | 39 19:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, on second glance, nevermind. I believe that word is in fact, a hoax. Made up. I would recommend a speedy tag. At the very worst, it's a neologism, wiktionary ain't interested in unreffed versions of those either for the most part. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
And to your second point about MF, wise move. I wish I woulda done what I said I was gonna do, stay out of it. Oh well, done now. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that occured to me, although a google search turned up some stuff. I'm not versed in Wiktionary, and I probably should be. I'll take care of a prod/AfD for this. Thanks for your help! Tan | 39 19:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
gotta question
Can someone remove a sock notice from their page once the block has expired on their other accounts they've used? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
As far as I know, yes. Sock notice, or socksuspect? If/when the sockpuppet case is resolved, and is resolved with no blocks/indef blocks/bans, (and without knowing what case you're even talking about), I would hunch that the notice can and should be removed. I know it can be removed if after 10 days if a proper evidence page isn't formed. (Inaction is no action) Again, I don't know what case you are talking about, just going by what it says on the templates. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Pamela J. Ball
I really don't understand the whole pile-on that just took place. User:Jeandré claimed that there were two pamela Ball's, one from Britain, but I could not find such a person in 220 google hits. As far as I can see, there is only one author here, who wrote 2 novels as Pamela Ball and several books on dreams, women's wisdom, natural magic, etc either as pamela Ball or Pamela J. Ball. If they are two people, they are both notable enough for articles: one would have at least published two novels through Penguin and W.W. Norton, and hold an M.A. in English from Florida State, been awarded the Hemingway Short Fiction award, and been a public speaker for Florida State and University of Hawaii. The other would be an author of sixteen books through Random House (Gramercy), Foulsham, and other non-vanity presses, including two historical books on Jack the Ripper and Nostradamus. I would agree that if there is a real question as to whether there are two people here is should be sorted out, but besides the claim by Jeandre I can find nothing to support that there is such a controversy. The only thing that I can see that even looks odd is that the publisher's bio for Random House doesn't mention the novels, but sometimes authors do separate their careers in fiction from the ones in non-fiction.
I'm not sure what the next move is. I've called Random House, but the publicist there said they have nothing except the bio on the website to point me to. I've called a couple of other publishers with no luck; usually, they just refer me to an e-mail address to ask my questions, and I've gotten no responses. I don't really understand the large number of people who immediately stomped on this author's article. I don't know her, I've never worked on anything with her, and don't have any stake in this, but it bothers me enough that I'd like to pursue it. Rosencomet (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm very glad you want to continue with this! Please know, I found your arguments very compelling, and the pile on deletes were surprising to me as well - the shear number of them really left me no choice but to delete. Would you like a userfied version of the article? I'd be happy to move it to your userspace to sort out the apparent "double persona". I have no idea who Pamela Ball is either. Never read anything by her (or either of her:-). Let me know, I'll retrieve the article to work on! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Malleus RfC
Hi Keeper,
I'm happy for the RfC to go away right now, it seems that consensus has been reached that it's outlived its usefulness - but being involved as an Outside View in the process, I don't know that it's appropriate for me to actually do the archiving.
Incidentally, even though we obviously disagree on Malleus' conduct, I appreciate the way you handled yourself in the dispute; which is more than less a textbook example of how such things should be handled. Best wishes, Lankiveil(speak to me) 14:57, 27 March 2008 (UTC).
Wow, thanks Lankiveil, I'm gonna save this thread! I agree that the RfC is no longer about Malleus, et al, but is now merely using him/them as an example of a bigger problem. That isn't fair to any parties involved. I suppose let it be for a couple of hours, see if any objections turn up, taking into account timezones, close it in the morning? I would, but I have no idea how, and more importantly, I'm obviously severely biased. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
No need to worry about bias, that sounds like a sensible course of action to me, especially as my comment even brought Malleus out to agree! I don't see any point either in continuing to put each party through such a potentially embarassing process, now that cooler heads have prevailed. Lankiveil(speak to me) 23:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC).
Hmm...this seems like something I would have been interested in. Since it seems to have been deleted, could you give me a basic overview...who initiated it, what about, etc.? Thanks Keepsy, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 23:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
And here I was on my way to the main page, too! But since you spoiled my fun, I just wanted to stop say thank you for all your kind words and encouragement during my RfA. I'm looking forward to digging through lots and lots of messes at ANI with you :) --jonny-mt 15:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Thankyou!
Thankyou for reverting the vandalism to my talk page. I was on wiki at the time just scanning pages and you still beat me to the vandalism on my own page. Waacstats (talk) 22:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
That's right, I am greased lightning! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Watchlists?
Actually, I wasn't watchlisting your talk page -- I have User talk:Acroterion on my watch list, because I asked him a question some time ago. The user who vandalized your talk page also vandalized Acroterion's page and several others, so I pounced on the vandal and blocked him swiftly.
I didn't have any reason to watchlist your talk page until now, but now that I've left you a message here, I have to watch it. :) --Elkman(Elkspeak) 01:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I suppose I have to reply to justify you watchlisting me now? I hope I don't screw up too bad...thanks again:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Great edit summary
Apparently never took your page off my watchlist after some discussion we had and I have to say, this edit summary gave me a good laugh. Admins need a good sense of humour, I see? :) Happy almost Friday! TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 03:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
If I don't laugh, I'll cry most days....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
If there's no crying in baseball, then there's definitely no crying in Wikipedia. Can't wait for opening day even though you're a fan of a clearly inferior team ;) TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 17:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm a fan because they clearly are an inferior team, (and proud of it), but that doesn't seem to stopthem! I would much rather live in a market that prefers to build a team instead of buying one. (And, by the way, Cashman is a hilariously appropriate name)...:-) You can knock my editing, you can call me names, you can report me to ANI or WQA, but don't even try to diss my boys. I have block buttons. (and let me state explicitly that I'm entirely joking) Or am I? :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Well I used to have a great rebuttal about the Yankees at least winning when they bought their teams, but that hasn't worked so well lately. I'm looking forward to seeing how the kid pitchers do this year. I understand how non-Yankee fans feel, I feel the same about the Patriots, but I'm a yankee fan from birth (or pretty close). Can't shake it. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Nice picture! Are you the old guy or the young babe in the pic? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
He's the young babe. Enigmamessage 21:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
*chuckle* that was summer of 1980 and I was the little bit of a thing back then. This was actually the photo I was looking for this afternoon but couldn't find it at first because I was searching on 'Yankee'. My father grew up right near the Stadium so Yankee runs in our blood. It's been a long off season and I can't wait for Monday. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 01:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing
My usual response to red-links and IP's that accuse anyone of being a "fag" is along the lines of, "You wish!" In the case of that one, he was a one-use account with one entry. At least I can't say my page has never been vandalized. But I don't keep or post a count of them, since that would only encourage them. :) P.S. Watch for coverage of the Saturday exhibition game at the Los Angeles Coliseum with the Red Sox and Dodgers. It should be a hoot. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 18:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
No prob, BBugs. Blocked indef as well, clear username violation. One and done. 100K baseball fans? At an exhibition game? Unreal. You'd think it were The Ashes. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, they're hoping for 100,000, but that doesn't mean they'll get them. The Ashes would be fun to watch. From the cheap seats, as with the Coliseum, a telescope might be needed. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 20:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Re:
Quite simply, he has accused me of incivility where I have done nothing wrong, and in so many words told me that I'm wrong for doing what I am doing. Furthermore, he points to a statement I made, then reverted, and claims that I am pushing things "too far". I don't see how he has the standing to tell me that. — scetoaux(T/C) 19:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Where did he "accuse you of incivility?" I'm not seeing it. I'm not saying he did, or didn't, I'm just not seeing it. Either way, you are accusing him of incivility, and have opened an RfC for it. Are you suggesting that his better action, if the same slight occurred, is to open an RfC on you? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
It's no longer relevant. I just want to get on with things, so I've withdrawn for the last time. Can you close it for me? — scetoaux(T/C) 19:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
No I cannot close it. I'm too involved. I find this whole thing rather ridiculous of course. I want the whole thing to go away as quickly and quietly as (I presume) you do as well. Happy editing, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the whole thing is rather embarrassing. I still don't view Malleus' behavior as appropriate, but it's not severe enough that I need to go through the stress of this entire conflict. Hopefully I can put it past me and it won't damage my prospects too much. — scetoaux(T/C) 19:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh yeah? Wait til your RfA, I'm gonna crucify you over this debacle. Muahahahahaah! Just kidding. Maybe we can find WJBScribe to close it or some other noninvolved admin/crat. Tan | 39 19:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
All joking aside Scetoaux, I would be very hard pressed to support an RfA of yours right now or in the near future. Your baffling RfC, retraction, retraction of your retraction, and then quick retraction of your retraction of your retraction, leaves me baffled as to your stability. That being said, this will all very soon be rear-view mirror stuff, lost/forgotten and unseen by most, and I never say never. You have one of the best usernames (now that I know the history of it) that I've seen. I wish I would have been that creative upon registering. Happy editing, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, just like we told Scetoaux not to blow it out of proportion, let's not blow this out of proportion, either. A mistake was made. I can sort of put myself in his shoes right now and imagine that he's really, really wishing he could just delete the whole thing and move on like it never happened. He's in coaching, he does good work, lesson learned. Hell, after this, he might be more circumspect than other admins when it comes to escalating issues. Tan | 39 20:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Tan, you're right. That's why I said "never say never". I didn't want to presume that he wants to delete the whole RfC, (he might, he might not - I have no idea). Could be one of the best admins Wikipedia ever had. I wouldn't support an RfA right now is all I said. No offense intended, just an honest opinion. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I understand. I have no fault with you for that. At this point I'd be hesitant about supporting myself.
It takes a big person to apologize, you get points for it. That being said, I would love to see you self-nom an RfA and be the first one in the oppose section. That would be hilarious. (I'm of course joking, don't open an RfA right now, and if you do, don't oppose yourself :-) Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow. I expected it to be closed. I definitely didn't expect it to be deleted. — scetoaux(T/C) 20:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Malleus RfC take 2
The thing has started to spiral out of control, with personal animosities and so forth. Yes, I'm on record as not thinking there was much point to the RfC to begin with. But even leaving that aside things are rolling downhill, with people saying things that are personal and unhelpful. Any way to cut it off before it gets worse? I get uneasy when squabbles develop like this. Raymond Arritt (talk) 20:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
You're definitely free to close it. — scetoaux(T/C) 20:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, he was involved, too... do we need an uninvolved? I was gonna ask Tiptoety. Tan | 39 20:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to thank you Keeper for your common sense and support during this RfC, which I did find to be an unnecessary distraction and even a tad stressful at times. I will try to take what positive lessons I can from the experience, and to deal with the negative ones. I'm a firm believer in the old saw "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger", and as I'm not dead yet - so far as I can tell - I must be stronger. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Glad I could help. I would do it for anyone that contributes as much as you do to this crazy place and is (IMO) superficially accused. Sceotoaux and Balloonman had their heart in the right place, but followed it too far (in my not so transparent opinion). Please don't make me defend you again, aye? Be nicer, at least in talk pages/RfAs? As much as I appreciate and generally agree with your candor and direct communication style, others' obviously don't see it the same way. Whatever happens in the bye and bye, glad to see the RfC is redlinked, and rather prideful that I was able to help get it that way. Now, go back to work! :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I haven't been neglecting my editorial duties, as you've obviously noticed. :-) Deleting the RfC was the right thing to do, not just for me but even more for Sceotoaux I think. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter to me whether there's an RfC skeleton hanging in my closet or not, but it could matter to him. So a good result, and you have every reason to feel prideful.
If you see me in the future making the kind of comments at RfA, AfD, talk pages, or anywhere else that you think a reasonable editor might take objection to then I hope that you will feel free to let me know. I can't promise to always agree with you, but I can promise to always think seriously about your opinion. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
RFA's
My personal inclination, if I were involved in Admin selection, would be one of automatic suspicion of anyone who appears to be too eager to become an Admin. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 20:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
But the salient question is, would you consider it prima facia evidence of power hunger? ;-) Tan | 39 20:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
(e/c, and thanks Tan for muddying my talkpage with that:-) What is this in response to? I thought we were talking about baseball....are you snooping? FWIW, that's my inclination as well. As an aside, you can very easily be involved in "Admin selection", as can any logged in editor in good standing. All opinions of admin candidates are welcome, just go to requests for adminship and throw your .02 in. The more the merrier, and the stronger the consensus. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not interested in being an admin. In any case, I think that adminship should start with someone or some"ones" recommending someone else for it. Someone who seeks it themselves, needs to be looked at very closely. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 20:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, back to baseball. The snow is melting in Minneapolis, and in a couple of years, we could be starting the season here today, outdoors. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 20:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
You don't have to be interested in being an admin to be interested in who else is up for adminship. Go support or oppose someone! There are easily a half-dozen or so candidates that are standing for the extra buttons any given day. You can help them along their "chosen path" or help stop them from getting the tools if you feel they are a bad candidate. As long as you explain your position (like AfD of course), your opinions are welcome. I'll stress, you are welcome to contribute there if it interests you to know who will/will not get admin tools. Just know, it can sometimes turn into a friggin circus. It is way more brutal than AfDs. :-) Ah baseball. We still have snow on the ground. Today is a lovely 45 degrees Fahrenheit. Lovely day. The hilarious thing about this taxpayer subsidized stadium (don't even get me started there) is that it's the opposite of the rationale given when the Metrodome was opened. We had an outdoor stadium. We got "sold" an indoor because of our climate, 20 friggin years ago. (or more? don't remember the date...) Now, we are "sold" this idea that "baseball is meant to be played outdoors". Cripes. Anything to give the bill to the taxpayer instead of the billionaire owner. Grrr. I said, don't get me started. I'll always love my boys though. Ain't their fault. And the new stadium, as much as I detest paying for it, I know I'll enjoy going there. Parking on that end of town is a real bitch though... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll look into it. Meanwhile, I wish I had a time machine. The first thing I would do, other than trying to save the world or something, is to go back to about 1980 and tell the Minnesota citizens, "By the way, you'll be imploding this thing in about 2010. Enjoy!" Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 21:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
"I view self-noms as prima facie evidence..." oops, I got lost. I thought this was an RfA. *whistles* Enigmamessage 20:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I refuse to get involved with anything that has anything to do with the italicized prima facie evidence. Please, Enigmaman, read this. It completely changed my view of the whole issue, perhaps it will change yours? Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I actually read that a few days ago. :) I've read all the arguments on both sides, believe it or not (dug through Kurt's talk archives and the complaints filed through official channels). I don't have much of an opinion on the matter. My edit was meant as a joke. Enigmamessage 21:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I've read that essay as well. Hilarious. :-) The problem with the whole KMWeber stuff though, as far as I see it, is that the "joke" is at the expense of another editor. 99% of editors disagree with his Rfa sentiments. Here nor there. The problem, according to the essay, is that it has become an in-joke beyond what should be tolerated by a long time editor. I know you didn't mean any harm by it, I've made the same (and worse) jabs with the same light-heartedness in mind. I only said what I said because I made a complete turn-around based on Water's essay. Thanks E-man, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Joke at his expense? Whether he deserves all the bashing he's gotten is another matter, but anyone who leaves the same comment at hundreds of pages is going to have people poke fun at him/her. For example, although this is much less inflammatory and isn't a !vote, if I left "have a pleasant day" at the end of every one of my messages or something, I'd expect people to poke fun at me for it. Enigmamessage 21:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Not a joke at his expense, an "in-joke" at his expense. Very different, IMO. I joke around quite a bit around here, and enjoy the humor (intended or unintended) that is rampant in this wacky place. But an injoke is something different, I've come to realize. An injoke has a hidden assumption of malice. It's like a non-visible "wink". It can come across as very negative. (and I love injokes). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I see what you're saying. I'll try to avoid injokes in the future. Enigmamessage 21:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Cool. Have a pleasant day (he said as a newly christened in-joke between Enigmaman and Keeper...:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Re:Thanks!
Thanks, numberman! I appreciate the fix. I had never realized I had anything wrong with that link (because it was blue, not red) Side note, glad you're still around. I've been watching your contribs (still have you watchlisted, my bad) and think you are doing great! Let me know if you ever need anything, happy editing, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Uh...well, I need:
Acceptance of my apologies for being an asshole earlier. That semi-manifesto was completely uncalled for.
Admin coaching for pretty much the rest of the year. They say 6 months, but I'll go for 10 just to be sure.
...I got nothin' else.
Call me a flip-flopper, but there it is. Amazing things happen when one's mood clears up... 21655 τalk/ ʃign 00:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
(Typical of 21655...always blames it on his mood...) 21655 τalk/ ʃign 00:46, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
No problems man, live and learn. Glad to see you refocused. You seem to be enjoying this place again, which after all, is critical to Wikipedia's success (and seeing as how the pay sucks). If you're interested in admin coaching, I might be available, but I need to ponder that a bit. You shot me down pretty hard with a TL;DR, RL for me just went nuts, and I'm already a co-coach for someone else. Let me think about it for a few days? I'll let you know by Tues. Otherwise, snoop around the coaching pages and see if there is someone else that might work for you, maybe a co-coaching sitch would work? Just thinking out loud - after those "RFAs", you might need two ;). BTW, found an article I thought you'd like, numberman....Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
City in Maryland? Yeah, I'm aware of the "resemblance". Hehe.
No problem numberman - I look forward to supporting your future RfA! Oh, and TL;DR (scroll down to "T" :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Are you asking me to admin coach? I read the ramblings, it sounds like you're asking Balloonman...watcha need waterman? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, nah, a co-coach would be sweet. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 23:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm Kosher with a co-coach... Balloonman (talk) 05:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Holy Cannoli, batman. How long have I been offline, a day and a half? Don't you two ever sleep? That coachpage is insane! (And, I might add, absolutely spot-on assessment of Water, Balloonman, now that I've read a tad bit of the history myself) As for co-coaching, I'm interested, but give me a coupla hours. RL went bonkers last Fri, hasn't settled yet. I should be able to make a more sane decision by later today after lunch (3-5 hours from timestamp). Also, I wanna read more water/giggy history as a lot of that was before my time. Off to the subpages and archives for Keep -- Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Opening Day
This will serve as a good reminder that the public has yet again been taken in by greedy team owners who get the public to foot the bill for something. The original plan in the early 90s called for a domed stadium. That reminds me... I took a picture of the model that was on display in the Metrodome at that time. Would it be a copyright violation to put that picture in the new ballpark article under a "what could have been" section? Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 16:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
(e/c, you're next TCari...) If you took the picture, you hold the copyright. You can release it under GFDL. Unless you mean you took the picture, as in "stole it from the model display", similar to "I took the loaf of bread from the store." Your pictures are your pictures. That being said, and as much as I'd like to see a "what could have been" section for the laughs, it would probably get removed from the article. Which, BTW, is the "working title." Dear God, I hope a decent company fronts the money. We don't need to be called something stupid, like "Smuckers Jelly Stadium". Or more Minnesotan and more terrifying Spam Field. Good grief. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Spam? Well, Hormel already has a Row of Fame. They might as well have the whole thing. Although I was hoping for something to do with Lutefisk. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 17:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I only took a picture of the model, not the model itself. I wouldn't actually call it "what could have been", but more like "previous proposals" or some such. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 17:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Some guy got a photo of a Hall of Fame plague removed from one of the articles, on the grounds of "no fredoom of panorma", whatever that means, even though the editor himself had taken the picture. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 17:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
That might be a sticking point. Hmmm....I'll be right back...Ah, OK. Reading User-created images, you took a picture of a three dimensional entity, which gives you copyright, which you could then release under GFDL. If you took a picture of a painting, or creative two dimensional work, it might be an issue, but you took a picture of a three dimensional (I'm assuming) model, that was on public display, and was likely published in numerous sources. Could work! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Although, since whatever was "under the glass", although 3D, probably had a copyright, your picture, although yours, may have a retained copyright of the model...Ick. I would go to Wikipedia Talk:Copyrights. I'm no expert here. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Or I could just upload it and see how long it lasts. Typically, if you say, "May I do this?" there will always be someone ready to say "No!" Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 17:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm still hoping for Opening Day here in The Bronx. Rain trying to prevent it but I hope that doesn't happen. My first of the season is 4.16 against the Sox, have to go to one of those matchups each year TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 17:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
(e/c again! Sheesh you two!) :One of my life goals was to catch a Twins game in New York, and seeing as how I used up my paid VayKay, I won't make it. Tis a shame. I was able to make it to one of the last games at Old Comiskey. Wrigley is next if the Twins get a good interleague matchup (or perhaps a postseason game? Chya, like I would be able to get a ticket to that...)Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Nope, haven't been to Wrigley. Several Sox (and Sox means the white variety to all midwesterners) games pre-1990, a few at Cellular in early 90s when it was just "new comiskey". Wrigley's on the list. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
In my Illinois days, I went to many games at Wrigley and Comiskey (the real one, I mean). Since you've already seen the old Sox Park (its alternate name), you know how small it was. Wrigley has a little bit more room under the concourse, but not a lot more. But the seating area at Wrigley is actually larger. That was the little secret. Although Sox Park was ostensibly larger capacity than Wrigley, if you would take away the outfield upper deck, Wrigley was the larger one. When you get to Wrigley, be sure to walk around the ballpark on the outside a couple of times. Comiskey looked like it landed in a mine field. Wrigley is brimming with life on all sides. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 17:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Best seats I had at "old" were front row, left field wall. Steal a homer from a leaping leftfielder territory. Except, as you correctly mention, very cramped. Knee scrapingly cramped. Good advice on Wrigley, walking the outside. Will do. Definitely not an attribute of the Metrodome, regarless of weather. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The Comiskey outfield seating actually had more leg room than the too-cozy boxes near the infield. Lower deck left field was generally pretty good. Right field not so good due to the sun angle. And upper deck outfield was terrible unless you got the front row. Like the Metrodome right field U.D. I liked old Comiskey, though. It had character, and characters. It was built in 1910 and looked it. Wrigley actually looks newer than its age, since the Wrigleys had a lot more money to put into its upkeep than the Comiskeys did, and Wrigley also has better legroom than Comiskey did... but truth to tell, Wrigley was looking kind of shabby when the Trib took over. Many improvements have come since 1981, both on the field and in the stands. I about choked when I heard John Kruk pick the Cubs to win the Series though. Kiss of death! Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 18:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
That would be the RED Sox, I assume? Around here, the term "Sox" usually means Chicago. d:) So, they're going to tear down the House that George Ruth Built, in favor of the House that George Steinbrenner Got the Public to Build for Him, ja? There's a lot of that going around. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 17:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
(ec bazillion). Wow I've finally found the baseball fans on Wiki. Yep, Yankee Stadium for me is bittersweet -- good memories (Cone's perfect game, Doc Gooden's no hitter, 1996 ALCS Game 1 among other wonderful days) but it's hard because I think of my father as well. Can't really blame the Boss for this mess as he's so far out of it with his sons involved. Between Hank and George, I'd take George anyday. There was a method to his madness. But yes, the Red Sox (as opposed to the 'pale hose' as the Comiskey dwellers are called here). I've been to Dodger Stadium, Candlestick, SkyDome, Joe Robbie (yes I know they renamed it, but I can't remember what it's called), Yankee and Shea. Seen but never been in Fenway and Camden Yards. One day. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 17:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I've never been a Yankees fan (except when they're playing the Mets), but they have produced some great moments and there are a number Yankees players individually that I've liked over the years. Roger Maris, for one. He was a terrific ballplayer, both at bat and in the field, and the 61 homers was like an albatross around his neck. Cone threw his perfect game on a day when they honored Don Larsen. You can't get much better karma than that. And over time I've become a big fan of Babe Ruth, who was the greatest ballplayer there ever was, is, or ever will be. So Hank is like George without the charisma, eh? I'll give George this: He was in the tradition of Yankees owners like Ruppert-Huston and Topping-Webb, who valued winning as much as making money. The difference was his visibility. Those other owners let their respective GM's (Barrow and Weiss) run the operation and only showed up once a year to accept the World Series trophy. George's micro-managing is what has caused much of his bad press, but it's only because he wants to win. I gather George is suffering dementia or something now, which is a sad situation. And as much as Hank may be despised, all will be forgiven if he wins it all. But think of this: It used to be that the Yankees were the winners and Red Sox were the chokers. But those roles have been reversed now. It does seem like a "curse" has fallen on the Yankees. I don't know what name to give it, though. The 9/11 curse? Eek. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 18:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Ugh. This is way to much Yankee talk on my talkpage. That's all I'll say. Go Blue Jays. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I fear Scooter syndrome, promises that 'he'll be back' despite no appearances, and then a passing announcement. Same thing happened when Mickey Mantle made his video appearance at OT Day prior to his passing. Yogi Berra Day was a wonderful one at the stadium, good memories. Steinbrenner wanted to win and knew how to accomplish that end goal -- I don't know that Hank does. One of my first baseball memories is Steinbrenner's 'lifetime ban' which lasted what? 18 months? Oh and :p pfft to you Keeper, this is baseball history, not Yankee moments. I have to say, your tear did a very good worst to first in 1991, and I'll forever remember Kent Hrbek from the 'buy a vowel' column in the Daily News. Those teams had some good players. Kirby Puckett was a sad story. That said, I'll half promise to do my part to lay off giving you orange bars TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 18:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
If winning is not Hank's top priority, then he falls into the Comiskey-Mack-Navin tradition of focusing on money, which is usually a losing formula. The Twins often over-achieve, and they proudly display their two Series trophies in their office, which any member of the public can see if they happen to come by. My poor li'l ol' Cubs don't have any Series trophies to display, because the last time they won was before metal was invented. :( Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 18:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
<outdent>The cubbies are old-school. Nothing wrong with a Once-per-Century approach. What's the rush, Bugs? Tap Guinness, Ketchup, and empty busses. ouch, that stings...how mean of me Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Indeed, I'm not a Cubbies fan, although I do find myself rooting for them to overcome the 'curse', but I love Dying Cub Fan's Last Request. That whole Baseball's Greatest Hits album was wonderful. I may need to order a new one since I haven't foiund it on iTunes and I own the cassette - yes, I'm old. I played The Town Where Baseball Lives on my ipod this morning walking from the train. It's the start of a wonderful season, but I agree on the non viability of the Comiskey et all method. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 18:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The obscure line about "Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly" was kind of a catty remark. But it's an excellent song, and sad, as Steve Goodman died about 5 days before the Cubs clinched in 1984. The Cubs have a perfect record (0-8) against the Yanks in the World Series, but in 2003 they took 2 of 3 at Wrigley in interleague play against the Bombers, and it really looked like they were going to win the NL pennant and even have a shot at beating the Yankees. Alas, fate intervened, and the Cubs scape-"goat"ed a fan when they should have been keeping their heads in the game. Turned out the Marlins were that year's Team of Destiny. Maybe the Yanks troubles since 2001 could be called "The Curse of Josh Beckett". Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 19:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
As George Will said aboout the Cubs, "Any team can have a bad century." When the Cubs clinched the division in 1984, 39 years after their previous title, 1945 team member Andy Pafko said, "It never occurred to me it would take 39 years. I thought they'd win by accident!" Actually, you don't exactly win by accident. You have to have all the pieces, and then some luck to put you over the top, but the fact is that winning is hard and losing is easy. And as far as curses, I call it the "Johnny Evers Curse". The Cubs won by arguably some subterfuge in 1908, and it's as if the baseball gods said, "OK, we'll give you this one, but after this you're on your own." Meanwhile, someone the other day claimed the Cubs are "selling out." Check out this photo, with ads on the walls as well as the scoreboard. Max Flack was famous for one thing, the same thing Cliff Heathcote was famous for: They were traded for each other, between games of the Memorial Day doubleheader between the Cubs and Cardinals, on May 30, 1922.
Curse of Josh Beckett works for me and maybe hiring the former Marlins manager will undo it. That said, I love Torre and am very unsure about JoeG, but I hope it works, I really do. Then again, when Torre came on board in 1996 I was loyal to Buck and was unsure about this newcomer, at least JoeG is known. 2003 was painful, I remember watching that last Cubs game. So sad. 2003 for me is all about Aaaron Boone. What a night. Will never forget that. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Joe Girardi was the catcher for Cone's perfecto, right? Of course, he's also a former Cub. When the D-backs broke the 3-ex-Cubs curse in 2001, I figured things were changing for the better for the Cubs. In a way, they have: 2 division titles in 5 years, which is not so terrible. But just not the whole enchilada yet. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 20:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Indeed he was. Great catcher, just not sure how well he'll handle the NY spotlight as a manager. I still have my "Ryne Loveletters in the Sandberg" Topps card somewhere. Need to find that stuff to make sure it isn't tossed TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 20:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
<outdent>I think you two just broke an "orange bar" record for my talkpage. Good grief! (I like orange bars though...) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
You did that on purpose. Now, where did I put that block button?...oh! there it is! (j/k)Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
*reports the Evil Keeper to ANRA (rouge admins, of course) :p Seriously, will take it elsewhere if we're driving you nuts. At this rate though in one day your talk page will be longer than DGG's TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 20:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, that made me laugh out loud. DGG's talk page is hilarious. Proves how valuable his opinion is on, well, everything. Glad I have a T1...actually, about a week ago, DGG was attempting to revert vandalism on his own talk and somehow recreated every section as a duplicate. So instead of 250+ subsections, he had 500+ subsections. Hilarious....as for my talkpage, I don't mind. Better than vandalism (barely :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh wow, that must have been an impressive feat to clean that up. I've made a permanent mental note to never look at his from home because my geriatric laptop can't handle it. I was trying to clean up a tagging mess on WP:MUSEUMS yesterday and I was wishing I could be more helpful -- but my laptop revolts at more than two tabs open, which isn't very efficient. I have the same issue when I go to comment to User:Blofeld of SPECTRE, both editors are wonderful, I just can't "talk" to them from home. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 20:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Orange bars are good. They have them in vending machines at the office. Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? 22:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw your note on Corvus' page. (Don't remember why he's watchlisted though...hmmm, or maybe I saw it on yours...) I agree he would be a good candidate. I've been snooping around too trying to find good candidates. I've been turned down as by good users. I think it's the nature of RfA though. No one seems to want extra buttons bad enough to go through a meat grinder to get them. The irony of course, for me, is that the two I quick-nommed (non-coached) both sailed through (assuming Hoekstra's doesnt crash and burn before tomorrow), and the one I coached crashed and burned. Bad coach, bad! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Do'h. I remembered this fellow User talk:Michaelbusch as being a great future admin and I end up missing him by 5 days. MBisanztalk 21:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Salt Spring Air
Hello, Keeper. Thanks for explaining your keep rationale. I believe the article is still not consistent with WP:CORP, but I realize there is room for interpretation, and precedent often supercedes the letter of guidelines. I must confess that part of me was rooting for this article, even though I wanted more rigorous proof of notability than was present. I was happy to see the article's creator take the deletion nomination as incentive for making improvements. Again, thanks for explaining the outcome to me. All the best, Nick Graves (talk) 20:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey, thanks!
That actually means a lot to me, since I don't often get barnstars (I feel sorta left out, heh) and since this is one in particular I have never seen before. Plus, it's nice to be recognized when doing damage control for your own mistakes. :P Cheers! — scetoaux(T/C) 23:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Your boys did well....
good, close game. No football scores. I ♥ good baseball TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 01:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again for your nom, and the trust you had in me. I was rather pleased with your nom, and the great support you have shown. I'm off to school, trying out some buttons. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 17:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Ageism
I agree with you here, except I don't get the "please don't call this ageist" bit. It's ageism, clearly, to say things like "there are very good reasons why 13 year olds don't run school". Why not wear your ageism proudly rather than denying it? Come out of the ageist closet :-) Friday(talk) 18:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I suppose saying "don't call me ageist" was a WP:BEANS violation. Oops. :-). And in all sincerety, I'm not an ageist. I'm a realist. I don't approve of 12 year olds smoking, drinking, driving, voting or fucking either. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
RyRy is (removed age), I can't remember where he said that, but it was clear. I don't think it's ageist so much as realist. I ended up de-watching a couple of user talk's because of he/nothing and basketball acting well, their age. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 18:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Their usertalks are dizzying. BTW, I removed his age from your post above. I know his age, I saw him post it on a usertalk but then quickly replace it with an X himself, so I'll respect his wishes to not have that posted. He does have a "I'm a middle schooler" userbox though, so an age range assumption, under 13, is fair game. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Got it, explains why I couldn't find it again. Amazing how the 'net has changed people's ability to find like minded and what not... when I was (age removed again :-) I was still well and truly playing in the tree house and riding a fashionable bike. They try, I give them credit for that. They really do. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 18:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the age again. Laughed out loud, though.:-)Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
As an old man of 22 years, I saw we ban everyone under the age of 21 and over the age of 40! And it seems I've now found my future RfA diff. MBisanztalk 18:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Nah you young whippersnapper, anyone under 28 clearly has to go ;) TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 18:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I remember my twenties like the were yesterday. Except they weren't. You're both out. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
You geriatric senior citizen Twins fan :p TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 18:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
*Runs away* Run run fast as you can, you can't catch me I'm the gingerbread (wo)man. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Slow down, young lady! I can't keep up! The tennis balls on my walker keep snagging! I'm going to club you with my cane when I catch you....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh.My.God! I can't believe there's an article on that. I loved those commercials. My grandmother, not thtat I think you're that old, used to chase us with a wooden spoon. Those were some crazy moments. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello
It's been awhile since we have talked. How are you? Dustitalk to me 18:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Doing fine. I presume you're well? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Execpt for the discussion of the RFA talk page, well I guess. Dustitalk to me 18:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'll bite. Which discussion? Link please? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, took a look. Interesting conversation, very interesting link from Nousernamesleft. I think it would be best to just let it go, in all honesty. His post was made on the 24th, it didn't go anywhere. No one made any comments about it on your talk or beyond WT:RFA. Then, you stirred it again on the 31st, which you of course have every right to defend yourself and clarify. But it's done know, you're the only one still asking about it. That little section will likely be archived soon, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Also, it appears I'm the 4th admin you've asked about this (the others being Fabrictramp, Pedro, and Camaron), so saying "I wasn't intending for this but ok" above is a bit misleading. I recommend letting the whole thing go to the dusti now. Anything beyond contacting four admins about it could perhaps be viewed as trying to create a solution in search of a problem (otherwise known as "drama for drama's sake"). My $.02. Your contribs look great by the way. Nice work in the GA realm. Cheers good editor, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. I am letting it go. Want to take a look at something else while your in the mood? :) Dustitalk to me 19:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Saw that and I like my idea better. I don't want it to be taken wrong, so I added more to the link above. Dustitalk to me 19:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Dusti, I led you to those particular links because your idea is basically the same idea. What you are recommending has been thought of before, discussed ad nauseum before, and rejected. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
You might want to change the link to the userfied version now that April Fools day is over, and the WP namespace one has been deleted. Nousernamesleftcopper, not wood 01:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I reopend the third one listed here. I'll take a look at the other two. Thanks Dusti. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Just looked at the other two. I would say leave them open, let an admin close as there seems to be contentiousness in both. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. Sorry bout the Helen Keller, but at least I second guessed myself and caught the mistake. Dustitalk to me 17:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
You absolutely did the right thing! Even though the "keeps" outnumber the deletes, their is definitely contention there from the primary delete proponent. Best left to an admin. Good instincts! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, Keeper76. A sound for you, from Portal:Minnesota state symbols, recorded by Darwin Long and as good as many of the medias of the day in the commons. Thanks for your RfA notes. -Susanlesch (talk) 21:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, how refreshing and poignant. One of the most relaxing, peaceful sounds in the world. That is, without question, one of my favorite sounds. What memories! I grew up in northern Minnesota, spent summers "on the northshore", and many many summers here. (If you've never been, you must go.) Makes me miss the country, (now that I'm a city boy). I can actually do a pretty mean impression of a loon with my whistle. Fooled many a friend/relative. I'm a (rather inactive) member of WikiProject MN, but I've seen your name around those parts. Sorry I missed your RfA, I would've likely supported, for what its worth. Let me know if you need any assistance or wanna run anything by me, I'll be glad to help a fellow northerner! Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Good sysops
Apparently we're not doing our job as sysops, as we didn't make Da List. Dang your lack of email and our WP:LINKLOVE rules. MBisanztalk 23:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Dang. I like being on lists. Wait, what the hell are you talking about? What list? Link me baby! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Its a new website I saw on Wiki Review that attempts to out the real life names of all admins of influence. Sadly we don't have enough influence to make the list. MBisanztalk 15:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Well that's just lovely. I've never read WikRev. They'll never figure me out, though. No email, no IRC, no hint of my real life anywhere in my wiki-history. I'm afraid I'm quite boring that way. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
In fact, we don't actually have any evidence that Keeper is human. Enigmamessage 16:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering about that. I could swear I once saw a "b" next to one of his edits. :) MBisanztalk 16:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
OH, NO, I've been caught!!!. Three of my favorite sentences from the link: They (Keepers) resemble large aphids and it is debated as to whether or not they are actually an intelligent species, being incapable of any kind of communication, *and second favorite, No other races, not even the Citadel Council, are able to issue them commands or control them in any way; a disconcerting demonstration of this behavioral anomaly is their tendency to re-arrange the floor space, decor, wiring or sometimes even structural makeup of certain areas of the station, regardless of the wishes and convenience of the other inhabitants and seemingly at random, *and most favorite of all, especially if WikRev gets too close: Attempts to capture and study them result in a sort of self-destruct, in which acid is released, dissolving the keeper into its constituent molecules. :-)Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
My RFA
Thanks, I will try to avoid the main page for a while. KnightLago (talk) 17:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
RE: April Fools and Kurt's RfA
I laughed and thought of our discussion when I saw it. Injokes? Where? Enigmamessage 07:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I found that RfA to be one of the most refreshing bits of self-humor I've ever read. Completely spot on!. Made my list. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Your smoking reference below to Pedro reminds me of Everlong. Enigmamsg 20:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Not familiar with that song. Sigh. If you are a non-smoker, stay one. I quit about a year ago, and ever since I found out that Pedro had the nasty habit, I have found myself longing for one. I'm told the cravings never go away (I smoked about 10 years). Sigh. <breathe in. breathe out>... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I think you can trust me not to start smoking. I've heard numerous stories from people, and it would disagree especially with me. Smoke disturbs my breathing, and I have asthma. Hasn't been bad for years, but it was extremely serious as an infant. Anyway, Everlong has a verse that you reminded me of. "Breathe out/So I can breathe you in." Enigmamsg 20:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
As first I was concerned, then I traced the IP and realized it was certainly a hoax. I can't wait to read about this user MBisart on the news... MBisanztalk 18:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It obviously didn't actually contact all the media organizations it said it would, I can say that much. Enigmamsg 18:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Yep, of course if you were a good sleuther, you'd know I've already made news for things in real life. MBisanztalk 18:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
People who don't understand the first amendment are tiresome. Tan | 39 18:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah man, I only got one orange bar for these 6 posts! Pity I went off line for a bit. Had to burn a US flag, remove prayer from schools, cross out the word "God" from all my dollar bills...and then of course paper-shred the constitution...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Like I commented on MBisart's* talk page, are there seriously people who actually believe the Constitution guarantees them the right to go onto any privately-owned website and say whatever they wish?
*Sorry, man. That one's gonna stick for a while. Enigmamsg 18:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes there are people like that all over the place. Or, at least, all over the US. Best way to handle it, at least on wiki, is to just gently redirect them.... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Thats cool, its almost as good at my bowling nickname of "Bossman". MBisanztalk 19:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Egads! You just gave the snoops information about yourself! You're a bowler! Only white trash Americans are bowlers! Now they'll know that you are not only American, Mbisart, but that you are a stereotype too! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, mistake on my part there. I was sure I'd seen a Princess Janay somewhere...obviously not. Apologies... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I just NAC'd it. I'll tag the redir page once the confusion is over all all transclusions etc are fixed. Thanks for the FYI, weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
As ever, for your keen insight and comments at WP:AN. Not just because they were in my defence, but because they were insightful and helpful. Appreciated. Pedro : Chat 19:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I do what I do, for you. breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Heh! And I return the kindness with taunts. De-sysop and block me!! I guess that's two editors of the 'crat supporting list [2]...:)! Seriously, again thanks for your input and commentary. I needed a little perspective shake (hence the thread) and it's thanks to guys like you that I got what I needed. You're the main man. Pedro : Chat 20:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Incivil user -- help!
Recently, I redirected the page Send a Message to My Heart to the album it's on, and Bwmoll3 (talk·contribs) has since been accusing me of "vandalism" (their words, not mine) for redirecting a non-notable song to its album. (See here for more info.) If you'll recall, this is the same user who gave me grief at this related AfD from February. I have tried to inform the user several times that not every song needs its own Wikipedia page. Here, I even offered what I thought was a reasonable compromise, but this user refuses to budge and has since told me that they plan to revert all my "vandalism" -- even though I've clearly informed them that I am not vandalisng, I am simply following WP:MUSIC guidelines. Since you've dealt with the rift between me and this user before, I figured you might be of help again. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey there TPH. I've looked over your talkpage, Bwmoll3's talkpage, and the redirects, and the accusations of "vandalism". (which I agree you are not doing). You are not vandalizing. In fact, I believe that you are being more than patient. At this point, I don't believe that Bwmoll will hear anything I have to say so I'm going to abstain. (he/she deleted my previous posts from his/her talk even though he/she doesn't archive). I would recommend bringing this to AN/I if the etiquette board doesn't offer a good solution, to get more eyes on it. Sorry I can't be of further help. In the meantime, be sure you keep your hands clean with this, don't attack/provoke Bwmoll. (not that you would, but still, keep your otters away from the keyboard...:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
With respect to the recent discussion, I agree. The user is clearly here for the betterment of the project and has a keen eye, two excellent characteristics. Travellingcari (talk·contribs) has suggested that she wishes to wait a while more, and I personally would be glad to have you as a co-nominator. I also think that Brewcrewer may express a desire to add a co-nomination too, in which case, that would be excellent. Rudget (review) 10:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey Rt, I replied to TCari on your talk (not that you didn't notice the bright orange bar...) Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I always appreciate your humour :P Rudget (review) 19:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi there! 2 days ago you closed this AfD as 'deleted'. However, it looks like the article itself never got deleted. Just a heads up that the job didn't quite get done. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 04:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
that was weird. I deleted Dj Cammy, but DJ Cammy (different capitalization) was still around. Strange...but both gone now...Let me know if you see either reappear. Thanks for the headsup! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
FYI
I just got back from the weekend, and found the discussion on my talk page about the AFD. Just thought you would like to see this edit. Dustitalk to me 17:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Heh, I think you copied and pasted the wrong link. EnigmamessageReview 17:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Nope, he didn't, I know what he's talking about (used the RFA instead of AFD (wrong initials), that's all) And I would prefer E-man, having at least a few minutes to reply to comments left on my own talkpage :-). Dusti, I'll reply to you on your talk in regards to the Naomi Phoenix AfD. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, wrong initials. Done I fixed them! Dustitalk to me 17:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, Keeper. Been looking through my watchlist and I found a comment that didn't make sense to me. EnigmamessageReview 17:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
No worries, E-man. (that's why I put a smiley in there, no need to apologize). Dusti fixed the pipe in his link. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
No problem! I hope you have a great day! SwirlBoy39 20:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
RE: Help on setting up the wiki page
Hi! I am like 80% done with the webpage now but I will really hope you can help me take a look at it in my sandbox before I even intend to post it. Please feel free to leave comments. Thanks, really appreciate it.
Well, my signature is at font 3 (like you said). My talk signature is font 2. I have been keeping my sig just like you said. Just because (almost) everyone else doesn't have a font size, doesn't mean I have to take it off on mine. If I sound a little mad, I'm not. I'm just letting you know :). Any comments?--RyRy5Got something to say? 00:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Can you clarify the "taken seriously" part? I didn't really understand that. Oh, and I know that you didn't want me to change my sig. I'll be waiting for a reply! I may not reply as quick because I am nominating an article to FA now.--RyRy5Got something to say? 00:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I will answer your question. I am not trying to make my signature larger than everyone elses. I really don't understand very well why we are still talking about my sig after a month. Anyway, I am not using wikipedia as a social place, I have many User talk edits because I help users. Of course you need to socialize a little (very little). I have been also focusing more on mainspace edits & wikipedia (AFDs, MFDs, Editer Review, ect). I appreciate you giving me those tips about most succesful RFAs. Any more comments?--RyRy5Got something to say? 00:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Of course I will stay at wikipedia. I really appreciate your cool head. Although I will rethink about my sig size (I still think it's not a problem to wikipedia, no offense. I think that talking and editing at wikipedia is much better, not talking about a sig size which I don't think afects wikipedia or me in any/much way). Thank you. Cheers.--RyRy5Got something to say? 01:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Minnesota Museum Question
Hey, quick question for you since Google isn't helping to clarify and I was hoping you might have some local knowledge. I understand Minnesota Transportation Museum to be a physical museum with a building. It appears that Minnesota Streetcar Museum isn't so much a museum building perse, but rather heritage tram cars that are a part of the transport museum? Neither article is especially clear and Google doesn't clarify. I'm just trying to work out whether MSM needs to be tagged for WP Museums. Thanks! TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 00:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I can't be of much help here, TCari, because I haven't personally been to either "museum", although both seem like legitmate articles (and I admit I might be biased. Have you tried asking your question on the talkpage of the Minnesota Wikiproject located here?. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:40, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh no question they're legit articles, sorry I wasn't clear. My question was whether one was a physical museum i.e. needing to be tagged with {{WikiProject Museums}} or if it was just about the landmark tram car, which while notable and historic, isn't necessarily a museum. Haven't asked around yet, but I will. Just figured you were an easy first target :) TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 01:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
And now I wait for someone without a sense/cense of humour/humor to let me know that was not appropriate. CambridgeBayWeatherHave a gorilla 01:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
It won't be me. We'll see how the ANI post goes... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
You lose...
...the game of colon-chicken. (That sounds really gross, for some reason.) --barneca (talk) 17:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Which is worse, colon-chicken, or chicken-colon? Ew. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
What sort of cleanup do you think the article requires? It may need some more info, but everything is properly formatted. GlassCobra 20:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
You know what? You're right. I was thinking "expand" and put cleanup. I'll change it, thanks for the headsup, GC. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, cool. I'll swing by and put some more stuff in if I can. :) GlassCobra 04:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
scream
I thought CSD doesn't apply after a failed XfD? At any rate, I fully agree with your sentiment, so please go ahead and delete it. Dorftrottel (bait) 22:16, March 18, 2008
On a related note, have you ever heard of Forumwarz? Apparently, people have to type in "I am not easily offended" during sign-up. Sounds interesting. Dorftrottel (canvass) 17:37, April 9, 2008
Nope, haven't heard of it. What is terrifically ironic though, is that my corporately controlled work computer (where I do about 99.9% of my wiki editing), hasn't blocked it. Yahoo is blocked. Youtobe/myspace/facebook are blocked. Forumwarz? No problem. I can log in today. I'm not easily offended. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
My approach to AfDs
Hello! Just to clarify to those with whom I have discussed AfDs today (sorry for copy and pasting, but my one hand is still injured), going with my AfD participation for today, in the instances in which I argued to delete (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/W.I.T.C.H. The Movie: The Ultimate War, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Funeral For My Chemical Valentine, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alhaji sani labaran), I provided evidence that I conducted a search for sources on multiple venues and made efforts to still do whatever I could to improve the article just in the off-chance that during the AfDs sources are indeed found and the article now has a start on being improved. In other words, I did not just throw down another repetitive “vote.” In cases where others already provided appropriate policy shortcuts like WP:HOAX, I did not merely repeat what they wrote. Once somebody has already provided a policy or guideline reason for deletion or keeping, there is no need to restate it as anyone reading the discussion should see it. After all, in a discussion, not a vote, the participants should advance new arguments and ideas as the discussion progresses. Now in the two instances (you read right, so far I argued to delete three articles today versus only two keeps) in which I argued to keep, consider them successively. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Melting of Maggie Bean was nominated as a non-notable book with four rapid delete votes claiming “no coverage” in secondary sources. Despite such assertions, KittyRainbow and I found SEVERAL sources including ones in which the article was given high reviews (Five Stars, Gold Award). I in turn used these sources to drastically revise the article by adding new sections and multiple references to an article only created four days ago anyway. And that is just with two of us conducting source searches in one day! So, here is an instance where you have a nom plus four delete votes with false claims and no evidence that searches for sources were even done to substantiate those claims only to have myself and another find a slew of sources with which I was able to significantly improve a four day old article. It frustrates me to no end to see so much of that in AfDs, i.e. editors just posting repetitive and false claims that could outnumber those keep arguments from editors who actually went out and found sources and spent time revising the article under question. Now, anyone approaching AfDs as a discussion would revisit his or her initial post taking into account the article’s development, but a minority of participants in AfDs ever do that. But my larger concern is still, why wouldn’t the nominators or initial delete voters just do what KittyRainbow and I did, i.e. look for sources and improve the article accordingly? Think how much would be accomplished, because then instead of KittyRainbow and I doing it here, we could be doing it to another article(s) without having to also post keep rationales in the AfD. The other AfD I argued to keep (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1349 Woking Squadron) was based on the First pillar and I offered some suggestions after checking the web to see if sources suggest legitimacy of the topic. Anyway, I hope that helps illustrate where I am coming from. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 03:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey LGRdC, I'm not ignoring this. I'm actually stewing up a response. Be afraid, be very afraid. :-).....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
New "keeper" for your userpage
Are you by any chance Rubeus Hagrid, Hogwarts' Keeper of Keys and Grounds?
Excellent, userpage updated. Read yours too, thanks for the creds. !Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Also: FAAAHAHAHAHA! Fell for my message bar! Even though I completely reworded it to stay within MediaWiki spoofing policies! 21655 ωhατ δo γoυ ωαητ? 15:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm a bit embarassed. Quickie clickie, that's all. Saw orange, wet myself with excitement, and away I went... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Re:FGWQPR
You mention that I launched a personal attack on The Islander. Well I beleive he/she, yes an administrator launched a personal attack on me. Here Talk: First Great Western where he said I work for FGW as PR when I don't I like trains, use FGW and support Queens Park Rangers Football Club. This was condsidered a personal attack by me. --FGWQPR (talk) 17:20, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Give me a break. Let's look at the two comments:
Islander: "Might I suggest that you take a little more time over it? You appear to be attempting to hard-push this article through the GA process - not a good idea. Take your time, do it properly, and only when it's good and ready re-nominate it. Also, you might like to take a look at WP:COI - I only say this because, with the name FGWQPR, containing essentially the company name and 'PR', it would appear to apply here. "
FGWQPR: "Well may i suggest something. You keep your nose out of other peoples business. For your infomation the second part of my name my name is QPR as this is the football team is support. I think you should not make assupmtions and look what I have edited and generally go away. It is none of your business and I really don't know why I am telling nosey little ***** like you this. **** off."
And you think Islander is the one making personal attacks? Your argument here has zero credibility. Tan | 39 17:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Yikes. That wasn't even the post I'd given a warning over. this was. You are clearly and completely in the wrong here FGWQPR. Islander was attempting to be helpful and you told him to **** off, then called him a dickhead on his userpage? You should be blocked already. Feel fortunate that you only received a warning, and move along.. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually I do think The Islander launched a personal attack making assumptions and saying I worked for FGW PR. As I have high aspirations in life I certainly don't want to work in PR and most certainly not for FGW. --FGWQPR (talk) 17:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Do your "high aspirations" include telling someone to fuck off when they approach you with constructive criticism? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
And I'll also add that Islander explicitly did not attack you, FGWQPR. Go read WP:NPA. He asked you a question. You denied a relaationship with FGW. He dropped it. And then you attacked him. What isn't clear about any of this to you? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
He did not drop it, I denied and attacked at the same time. As for your question about aspirations above, don't you think that is a personal attack, I definatly do. How do I complain?--FGWQPR (talk) 15:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Nobody is attacking you FGWQPR. Stop trying to bait me. I just read your talkpage. It looks like you are trying "to avoid a repeat". Why would you come here and start this all over again? I've moved on. So should you, so should Islander. Opening a complaint right now would most certainly not end in your favor. I strongly recommend you forget the whole chain of events, you were clearly in the wrong, and you should let it go. Friendly advice. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, that definatly seems best now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FGWQPR (talk • contribs) 20:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad you agree. Happy editing! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Mediation
I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind mediating something going on right now on my talk page. I only came to bother you because your the first admin I seen update a page on my watchlist. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 15:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Sure, SM, give me a link to the right section/section header... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
You're talk page has numerous sections though. Which particular conversation would you like help with? I'm assuming it's the most recent (with Stifle), but how the hell would I know if you don't tell me which section? :-) I'd hate to jump in where I'm not welcome. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes it the one with Stifle. Its on both our talk pages. Excuse the non specific link, those are older complaints that have gone away. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 15:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Its up the community as a whole now, since its posting here. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 15:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
When I brought up AN/ANI it was merely a suggestion. We could have talked more about it before his posting. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 15:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised to see it there myself. Your fault though, you suggested it :-). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Can't you just say, "Oops, sorry" and shut the whole issue down now? Doesn't seem like there's much to discuss... Tan | 39 15:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd close it, sure. But I don't feel a need to apologize in this issue. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 15:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree, everyone remained civil (which is refreshing), direct, and now the whole thing should just go away. No need to stir, no apologies needed Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Hahahah, sorry Keep. I should probably keep my nose out of your business, too. It was to SM - the discussion here was fine, but seems like a silly thing to go on WP:AN. Maybe that last post here was a reaction to my thinking that most of the AN/ANI issues lately are tediously dramatic and not really worth taking off of talk pages. I'll try to keep to myself ;-) (ec) Oh, in that case, ignore my comment above about saying oops, SM. I thought it was pretty clear that those weren't eligible for non-admin closure, but now I'm really regretting sticking my nose in here. I now back away slowly... Tan | 39 15:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
On second thought. The matter is not resolved yet. I'd like more input about my recent post to AN. Response, anywhere, is fine though. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I've replied there. Would you prefer to take it away from AN and back to talkpages? (I would) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I already specified there that I would, there. I found under NAC that it did not meet inappropriate closures and slimly meets appropriate closures under the third bullet point section (WP:SNOW(a) reproduced here: six or more participants have supported keeping the page;. Please keep in mind here that I'm bringing this up merely to satisfy my further understanding of closures, and not merely to prove points. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 16:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Moving it here is a good move. However, you are only selectively reading the SNOW part or the guideline. Yes, part a says 6 or more keeps. Part b, right after it, says "no editor other than the nominator has opposed keeping the page or even supported another outcome, left a comment, or asked a question which could be interpreted as hesitation to support keeping the article;" . The one you closed, and are arguing "snow" had 9 keeps. and nine deletes.. Just to clarify for future reference, to meet snow, it has to meet all the bullet points of snow, A,B,C and D. This one only met A. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Excuse my absence. I have to get my butt to work. I'll respond more latter. Thanks for the responses thus far. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 16:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
What you have a life outside of wiki-life? Inexcusable. </sarcasm>. My talkpage is open, see you later - Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) - We both hate too many colons. <begin>If you read it closely it doesn't specify that all of the criteria has to be met. Yet, I found this particular edit a bit shady, seeing as how it suits his overturn. I've reverted it and asked him to seek consensus on the talk page. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 03:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I'll respond to this first. I made my post above (about meeting all of the points of snow) before that change was even made, so I share the opinion. The wording, even in the older version, said "a...b...c...and...d...". The "and" has always been there. You are right, it doesn't say all criteria have to be met, but if you are using criteria #3, called SNOW, then all the sub criteria need to be met. In that case, as the subpoints have always needed to be met, I see Stifle's edit in a different light, one of clarifying something that was unnecessarily confusing. I'll be back in a minute to address part 2 here, cheers! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I also feel that this overturn (notice that the other overturn was closed as keep by the way) poses a slight conflict of interest here. He offered a delete vote (the same delete vote he copies and pastes to a weeks worth of AfD's). These concerns are worth looking into. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 10:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I've looked at the second. I can't honestly say that I feel that Stifle was acting out of order by reopening the discussion, regardless of his participation. It is clearly not a consensus. Now, if Stifle goes and closes that one, which he has stated clearly that he wouldn't, that would be a conflict of interest. I would rather see all of this move forward from all sides. User:Dustihowe is running into similar issues with NACs, and I'd like to see that move forward/go away as well. It all feels like drama where drama isn't necessary, and none of it directly helps the encyclopedia. You, SM have done an excellent job with NACs. The advice I'd give you going forward is to continue to close those that fit under the relevant NAC guidelines (there are always plenty!) and avoid those AFDs that even slightly could be perceieved as being contentious. Hope you understand my position on this. Admins closing XfDs is a longstanding thing (mostly because of the technical delete ability, but also because of community endorsed judgment). Hopefully, I'll be privileged to support an RFA of your own someday! Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm more for honest discussion than drama and I've offered on Dusti's talk page a while ago to help at this request. User:SynergeticMaggot/RfA and User:SynergeticMaggot/AfD. I also don't agree I'm anything like dusti. :) Thanks for all the discussion, really. SynergeticMaggot (talk) 18:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Didn't mean to imply you and Dusti and anything in common, beyond both having a NAC issue (of different degrees of severity granted) that happened to pop up on my talkpage :-). Cheers, SM! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
AfD Close
Hey, kicking this to you since I know you've worked with Dusti. This one is likely to get ugly if past student union discussions are a hint and these contribs show some heated AfDs. I'm not disagreeing with Dusti's close -- I think he's right that it's notable, but I don't know about so fast of a close. Just FYI for you in case it comes up TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 20:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Sigh. Working on it. Currently a premature ANI thread going on right now regarding early closures by Dusti here. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Hadn't seen that as I don't watch ANI, thanks for the heads up. Not going to post it there as I'm not a fan of pile-ons. I much prefer reach out to someone who has worked with the other party. Hope your Twins are doing better than my Yanks of late TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 20:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, twins and yanks. Neither seems to be able to beat the friggin Royals. Who wudda guessed. What a much nicer topic though :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Could be a Tiger fan like me; 0-7 with a $140M payroll. Dude. Tan | 39 20:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
$140M? That's like 5 years worth of Twins. Cripes. Being a division rival, I'd have no problem with ElTigres going 0-15. And thanks for Craig Monroe. Good guy, good player. You'll miss him. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
OUch! Sorry, Tan. I've missed more than I've watched this season -- grad school killing my TV time -- how dare it do such a thing in the weeks before graduation :) And Keepr, agreed. Much nicer... Boo Royals *ducks KC fans* since your page seems to be the home of baseball discussion TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 20:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Uh oh, why you prepping for abuse? "Keeping" something from someone>? :) TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 00:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I wish it was simply prepping for abuse from White Sox fans/Yanks fans....has to do with this though, unfortunately. (read the blog I linked there, seems I'm not a really popular guy.) I'll likely unprotect today. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Ugh! I didn't read the whole think but looked at the last two. That's insane. People seriously need to grow up. I think this is internet drama week -- a bookc club forum I'm on, which I thought was pretty well drama immune, has even gone down the toilet lately. I can't remember how to make a cookie, but imagine me passing you one -- chocolate is always a good thing. And for the love of Moo, let's have one of our teams win tonight. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 15:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey. My team did win. 12-5. On the road. In division. I'm sure the Yanks fared just as well....oh wait...I forgot you actually have to score to win. ;0 Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Glad they won. Pitching by committee is always an interesting experiment. Yankees need to learn that Kyle Farnsworth is reall worthless and needs to be demoted to Mongolia. Until then, and until they hit -- they will not win if he comes in. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 15:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Also glad we didn't get Johan, didn't want him and didn't want to give up the farm for him. Will be interesting to see how he does in New York -- hope he's not a head case. Back to my children's museum mini-project TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 15:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Done
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Done I fixed them! Dustitalk to me 17:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)