User talk:Inventcreat

New accounts

I've modified the block so you're able to create new accounts for yourselves. Hope you're still interested in contributing, in spite of the rules-oriented approach we seem to take around here. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Dear Floquenbeam, separation of our account cannot bring difference in our pair work. We will work on one account anyway, since we do not work by oneself because of individual specialisation each of us. Moreover, for us it does not interest to keep our activity in the Wiki project by oneself. The second account will hopeless a virtual account and nobody will live there. -- Inventcreat (talk) 17:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

User:Inventcreat/Author’s Certificate

I'm very sorry, but I've had to blank this for copyright investigation. I understand that you assert that it was originally published in 1926, but this clearly some confusion, as it refers to events that took place in 1931. Moreover, the putative author of the work, I.A. Gringol'ts, was publishing on IP law at least in the 1960s, which makes the inclusion in the second series of Great Soviet Encyclopedia far more likely. IF the Great Soviet Encyclopedia released its content into public domain or compatibly licensed it, we could use it, but according to their website copyright on their content is fully reserved: [1]. Unless we are able to verify permission, I'm afraid we cannot use this material. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Dear Moonriddengirl, Why you have not paid your attention on Variant 2, which still is in a work on? Inventcreat (talk) 18:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what it is you're asking. Can you please explain more completely? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:23, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

It is a question about blocking of the page “User:Inventcreat/Author’s Certificate” on 25 March 2012 by Moonriddengirl.

Two variants of the article were under working on the page. It had a grudge to both of them. The second variant still had been partly looked through on page “Glossary of patent legal concepts”. It had notefoot to the primary source in Russian language (e.g. Russia Patent Law of 1919,) and it would be difficult for control the information on trust in English Wiki. Therefore, on the page “User:Inventcreat /Author’s Certificate” priority to other variant of the article, with notefoot to the secondary source, namely, the Great Soviet Encyclopaedia by Macmillan Publishers in English language, was done.

Why do need to block the articles, which are still under working, without any discussion, when it is possible to take one variant of these two?

And else, I.A. Gringolt did not show any sources (from 1919 and 1926) in article “Author’s Certificate” GSE.

-- Inventcreat (talk) 10:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Thank you for explaining. You are talking about the sentence at the bottom of the page. I have restored that portion now. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:59, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

The formulation “Author’s Certificate” was first written into Law of the Russian Federation in 1919, see Patent Law of RF, 1919 (Декрет СНК РСФСР от 30.06.1919 “Об изобретениях (Положение)”) by Government of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic: Vladimir Lenin, Vladimir Bonch-Bruyevich and Secretary of Government of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic: Л. ФОТИЕВА. In 1926 the Law was rescinded. The formulation was restored in 1931 in Law of the USSR. The Patent Law of Russia (1919) is original source for determination “Author’s Certificate”. Article about “Author’s Certificate” was published in Great Soviet Encyclopedia only in 1926, it was the second source. USSR Government ordered the publication of Great Soviet Encyclopedia in 1925. I.A. Gringol'ts did not show the original source in his article “Author’s Certificate” in Great Soviet Encyclopedia, because in that time all properties belong to the Government, it was as the tradition (de-facto) and the Law. I.A. Gringol'ts was not author of the formulation of “Author’s Certificate” and he was not member of Russian Government in 1919. Article User:Inventcreat/Author’s Certificate (Variant 1) has not been broken any copyright. Inventcreat (talk) 10:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The violation of copyright does not relate to the law itself, but the description of the law. There's no question that this was published in 1925 or 1926; it includes the text "Author’s certificates were first introduced in 1919, and the present form of protecting inventions was established in 1931." Content from The Great Soviet Encyclopedia has been removed, including your "form 2" which consisted entirely of the following words: "Author’s Certificate - a document that establishes the right to an invention." The first line of Gringolt's text is "Author’s Certificate a document that establishes the right to an invention."

Please review Wikipedia:Copy-paste. We cannot use Gringolt's text; you will have to describe the law in your own words, unless you use brief and clearly marked quotations as part of a larger body of text that you have authored discussing the law. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

The article User:Inventcreat/Author’s Certificate was written concerning the Law of the Russian Federation about quotation (see части 4 ГК РФ правовой статус цитаты and Статья 1274. Свободное использование произведения в информационных, научных, учебных или культурных целях (Free use of any text for informative, scientific, educative or cultural purposes). The commentary from Moonriddengirl looks like playing with words. Inventcreat (talk) 08:11, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

We are not allowed to accept content under that license, since Wikipedia requires content which may be freely re-used for all purposes, including commercial ones. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The encyclopaedia version (it was the property of the USSR) is historically and politically balanced and it is understood as a soviet classic, which was 90 years old from the Russian Federation and 80 years old from the USSR. Anyway, there is still our version of the article “Author’s Certificate”. --Inventcreat (talk) 09:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Make new ones and lie

As stupid as it is, all you need to do is make the two news accounts and then not say anything. Even if one sits unused and both of you are using the one account, just don't say anything like that and if anyone asks, lie to them and say only one of you is using it. They can't prove otherwise and, as long as you don't admit to both of you using the account, they can't do anything about it. Keep it secret. Silverseren^C 16:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

• We do not accept any advice to have the second account, which would be a dead account anyway. Inventcreat (talk) 17:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Article - The Author’s Certificate of USSR on invention

The Author’s Certificate – the document certifying Authors' rights of inventor to his invention. It was used for the patent protection of the invention.

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History

− − The Author’s Certificate was introduced in 1919 in the Russian Federation.

− The Patent Law about the Author’s Certificate was in force in the Russian Federation from 1919 to 1924.

− In the USSR Patent Law about Author’s Certificate was in force from 1931 to 1991.

− − In Total from 1931 to 1991 Rospatent gave more than 1.5 million Author’s Certificates. Information about all Author’s Certificates were published in the Official Bulletin “Discoveries, inventions and trade marks” (1969-1982) and “Discoveries and inventions” (1983-1991).

− − After the split up of the USSR (1991), during the privatisation period, authors and applicants who claimed inventions could re-claim the patent rights on their own inventions under New Patent Law.

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Difference between an Author’s Certificate and a patent

− − De jure in the USSR authors of inventions had the choice to request either a patent or an Author’s Certificate, when they applied to the Patent Department of the USSR.

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1. In a case when an author made his invention in office hours at his work place that the invention could be protected only through an Author’s Certificate and only the organization, where the author of the invention worked, could be the applicant on the invention.

− − In all other cases the inventor had a choice and could apply himself or invite any organization to be the applicant.

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2. If the inventor could bring proof to patent referees that his invention had no value for industry, farming and the defence (military) of the USSR, then the inventor could apply for a patent.

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− In all other cases the author could get an Author’s Certificate.

− − De-facto a patent of the USSR was considered to be of less and worth than to an Author’s Certificate of the USSR because in the Soviet Union patents did not really work since there was no Patent court in the USSR and it was not even provided, for by the Constitution of the USSR.

− − The high status of the Author’s Certificate, compared with a to patent, was because it could protect not only inventions but the results of scientific developments, which were not recognized as scientific discoveries and were not protected by a “Diploma on scientific discoveries”. Moreover Classified Invention (Invention sensitivity) of the Soviet state were protected only through an Author’s Certificate

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Rights flowing from Author’s Certificate

− − All licence and financial rights of an Author’s Certificate belonged to the state. The inventor had the right to show only his name as author in such a document. The applicant had the same right on an Author’s Certificate (i.e. show only his/her name).

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Benefits of Author’s Certificate

− − All financial obligations on patent procedures, (application, edition of patent describing, expertize, publishing of the application materials and description of the invention, sending of the Author’s Certificate) were paid by the state. The state did free the inventor completely from any financial duty or patent lawsuit and the inventor could concentrate on inventive creation only.

− − An Author’s Certificate is in force without any limit in time from the first day (priority right) when the invention was introduced to the Patent Department.

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Title’s pages design of Author’s Certificate

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Regulations on Author’s Certificates

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  "ПОЛОЖЕНИЕ ОБ ОТКРЫТИЯХ, ИЗОБРЕТЕНИЯХ И РАЦИОНАЛИЗАТОРСКИХ ПРЕДЛОЖЕНИЯХ" Утверждено 

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  Постановлением Совета Министров СССР от 21 августа 1973 г. N 584:

− − “Resolution about discoveries, inventions and rationalization proposal/(proposal for improving production methods)” established by Resolution of the Soviet of Ministries of the USSR on 21-th August 1973 N 584:

− − − Point 11.

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  Диплом на открытие выдается на имя автора и  удостоверяет:

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  признание    выявленных   закономерностей,   свойств   и   явлений

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  материального мира открытием,  приоритет открытия и  авторство  на

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  открытие. В случае соавторства диплом на открытие выдается каждому

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  из соавторов с указанием в нем других соавторов.

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− − A Diploma on scientific is given in the author’s name and certifies:

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− - recognition of discoveries, characteristics/qualities and phenomena of the material world/(nature) through research;

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− - priority (of the discovery);

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− - authorship (of the discovery).

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− In case of co-authorship a Diploma of scientific discovery is given to each of the authors showing the name of the other authors also.

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  "Автор изобретения может по своему выбору требовать: 

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- либо признания за ним только авторства и предоставления ему прав и льгот, предусмотренных     

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  действующим законодательством, с передачей государству исключительного права на изобретение,

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- либо признания за ним авторства и предоставления ему исключительного права на изобретение.

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- В первом случае на изобретение выдается авторское свидетельство, во втором случае - патент.    

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  Обладатель исключительного права на изобретение осуществляет право пользования и 

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  распоряжения изобретением." 

− − Author of an invention can claim by choice:

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− - either recognition of authorship and granting of rights privileges, provided by current law, passing exclusive rights on the invention to the state;

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− - or recognition of authorship and granting exclusive rights on his own invention.

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− - in the first case the author gets an Author’s Certificate on his invention, and the second – a Patent;

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− - owner of exclusive right on the invention realizes the (full) right of using and disposing of the invention.

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  На изобретение  выдается авторское свидетельство,  если оно

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  создано   в   связи   с   работой   автора   на   государственном,

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  кооперативном,  общественном  предприятии,  в  организации  или  в

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  учреждении или по их заданию,  а также если  автору  была  оказана

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  денежная    или    иная   материальная   помощь   государственным,

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  кооперативным,   общественным   предприятием,   организацией   или

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  учреждением.

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− Author’s Certificate is issued on an invention, if it was made by its author at state, cooperative, social works or at an organization, or at a institute by its order; and also if the author got many or an other kind of support from the state, cooperative, social works or from the organization, or the institute. ……

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  Заявки на  выдачу  авторских  свидетельств  на  совершенно

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  секретные  изобретения,  относящиеся к новым средствам вооружения,

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  боевой  технике  и  их  тактическому   применению,   принимают   и

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  рассматривают   в  порядке,  установленном  настоящим  Положением,

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  министерства и ведомства,  определяемые  Советом  Министров  СССР,

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  которые  рассматривают  также  возражения  на  решения по вопросам

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  выдачи авторских свидетельств.

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      Регистрация указанных  изобретений  и  выдача на них авторских

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  свидетельств производится Государственным комитетом СССР по  делам

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  изобретений  и  открытий  на  основании  извещений соответствующих

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  министерств и ведомств,  без представления  заявочных  материалов.

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  Председатель Государственного комитета СССР по делам изобретений и

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  открытий  или  его  первый  заместитель  имеют   право   проверять

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  обоснованность  решений  министерств и ведомств о выдаче авторских

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  свидетельств.

− − − Claims for issuing Author’s Certificates for completely secret inventions in such fields as arms, military technology and machinery are received and examined under current Resolutions by Ministries and Departments, defined by the Soviet of Ministries of the USSR, which also consider objections against a decision or question on the issue of Author’s Certificates.

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− Registration of inventions and the issue of Author’s Certificates are determined by the State Committee of the USSR, which deals with discoveries and inventions on the basis of notice from the relevant ministries and departments, without giving any detail of the claim.

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− The President or vice-president of the State Committee of the USSR, which deals with inventions and discoveries has the right to examine the grounds for decisions of the ministries and departments about the issue of the Author’s Certificates.

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  О ВВЕДЕНИИ В ДЕЙСТВИЕ ПАТЕНТНОГО ЗАКОНА РОССИЙСКОЙ ФЕДЕРАЦИИ 

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  ПОСТАНОВЛЕНИЕ ВЕРХОВНЫЙ СОВЕТ РФ 23 сентября 1992 г. 

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  N 3518-1 (РГ 92-225)

− − The Resolution of the Supreme Soviet of the RF “About brining into operation of the Patent Law of the RF” of 23 September 1992 for N 3518-1, (PΓ 92-225)

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     По  авторским свидетельствам СССР на изобретения по которым на

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  момент введения в действие Патентного закона Российской  Федерации  не

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  истек 20-летний  срок  с  даты подачи заявки,  и свидетельства СССР на

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  промышленные образцы, по которым не истек 15-летний срок с даты подачи

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  заявки, а также по патентам СССР на имя Государственного фонда изобре-

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  тений СССР предоставить право заявителям совместно  с  авторами  хода-

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  тайствовать о  прекращении  действия  указанных охранных документов на

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  территории Российской  Федерации  с  одновременной   подачей   патента

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  Российской Федерации на оставшийся срок.

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       По заявкам на изобретения и промышленные образцы, по которым были

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  вынесены решения о выдаче патентов на имя Государственного фонда изоб-

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  ретений СССР, предоставить право заявителям совместно с авторами хода-

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  тайствовать о  выдаче  патента Российской Федерации с отсрочкой уплаты

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  патентных пошлин до начала получения доходов от использования  изобре-

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  тения или промышленного образца, но не более чем на пять лет.

− − − Author’s Certificate lasted for a 20 years period if that period had not finished when the Patent Law of the RF was brought into operation applicants and authors could apply for a patent from the RF far the rest of the period time.

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Notes

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See also

− Intellectual property

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− Inventcreat (talk) 12:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC) Inventcreat (talk) 12:20, 9 April 2019 (UTC)