User talk:Huaiwei/Archive F

Teochew

See Talk:Teochew (dialect). -- ran (talk) July 7, 2005 03:35 (UTC)

Hey...will come to this later. I do need to run off soon....would prob reply to you on Sunday if I get my PC back. So sorry for the delay again!--Huaiwei 8 July 2005 17:05 (UTC)

Three revert rule

You have been blocked for 24 hours under the three revert rule. If you wish to appeal please contact another administrator or the mailing list.Geni 11:13, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

How will I be able to "contact" anyone if I will not be able to edit?--Huaiwei 11:24, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

by email.Geni 11:36, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Not that I'd be volunteering to be your meatpuppet... but if you find yourself in the position of revert warring with Instantnood you can IM or email me to see if I'd like to show some community consensus. SchmuckyTheCat 18:54, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Re : Jeez...

Hey Huaiwei,

You're right, I was on a WikiVacation for personal reasons. I'm pretty much returned from Wikipedia now, but at this time everything else I have online has basically gone dead (and probably for the upcoming months). I'll still be around at Wikipedia, occasionally taking breaks, if you need anything you can always still drop a message on my talkpage.

- Mailer Diablo 16:01, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

A real life meetup? Perhaps so in future, if I can actually find time to get away from having to mug away! =D - Mailer Diablo 16:13, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Shoot First Write Later

Hi Huaiwei,

I have actually shot the following photos around Singapore, they are somewhat prominent places but they don't have an article to follow up yet. =P

The following is the list of images. You know what to do. ;)

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ShawHouseSG.JPG
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BugisJunction.JPG
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BrasBasahComplex.JPG
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lakeside-mrt.JPG
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chinesegarden-mrt.JPG
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Commonwealth-mrt.JPG
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MRT-Stationfac.JPG

Thanks in advance!

- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 16:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Haha ok fine...I get your message. :D--Huaiwei 16:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Chingay Parade is on Main Page !

It's up on Main Page at the "Did you know ... " section, Haha... --Vsion 09:30, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Hahaha!!! And how old was that page? A few days? :D Thanks for helping in that article btw! ;)--Huaiwei 09:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Since other sysops haven't sent your an official notice, let me have the honour to do so! =D - Mailer Diablo 15:02, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Chingay Parade, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently-created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Wakaoz....what an annoucement! :D Anyway I didnt noe someone made a request for it (or tt we can make the request)...Was it you who did the request? ;)--Huaiwei 16:23, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Hong Kong-related Articles

This Peace Dove is given to Huaiwei from Deryck C. in hope for ending the edit war concerning Hong Kong-related articles. (KC)

It's sometimes difficult to listen to foreigners about their opinions when you're talking about their stuff and quite sure that you're right and they're wrong. However, sometimes things are done that way by custom and it's hard for you to change it.

I myself had been lately in conflicts with some Americans and Australians about the significance of their governments to the entire world. However, what I found out, at last, is the fact that no matter what I do, it makes no effect. The best way to do with foreign stuff is to listen to people from that place.

Therefore, as a foreigner, I hope you can listen to we Hong Kongers' opinions about the Hong Kong relating articles and stop the edit war. To show my concern and courtesy, I'll give you this offering of peace - the peace dove.

Please reply to my talk page if there's any room for further negotiation. Thanks. Deryck C. 16:36, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Hong Kong-related Articles

Thanks so much for your sharing, though not on my talk page, on your feelings. It is always better to express and to let other people what's going around in your mind.

Over the past few months, I'd rather say, excuse me for saying in this way, that you do not know thoroughly about the situation with Hong Kong, and the psychology among Hongkongers, that have led to misunderstanding and wrong interpretations. Yes Hong Kong is now under PRC sovereignty, but that does not mean that Hong Kong is nothing more than an ordinary subnational entity like other provinces and autonomous regions. It is, and will continue to be, different from the mainland.

To my understanding Hongkongers never deny their Chinese identity. They're proud to be Chinese, its culture, its history.. They support the PRC national football team in international matches (well, except for the matches with the Hong Kong team). At the same time they treasure the uniqueness of Hong Kong, its path of history, and the differences that Hong Kong has maintained from the mainland. It was, indeed, the vision of late Deng Xiaoping to preserve such uniqueness. There is no sinophobia, but rather, phobia towards waning of such uniqueness. They wouldn't hide their Chinese identity, but they equally treasure their Hong Kong identity.. they would'nt be happy to be equated with mainland Chinese by other people. They would grumble, say, if they're denied from boarding at the Madrid Airport for having no visa for entry to the UK on their Hong Kong passports.

Hong Kong has continued to be governed on its own. Its government deals with most local affairs. It is treated on the international arena, say, trade issues, on its own, along with other countries. It is certainly wrong, in the eyes of Hongkongers or those who are familiar with Hong Kong, to undermine its status, and treat it as the same level as other provinces. The way you labelled me, and the word "sinophobia", reminded me of some officials from Beijing accusing Hongkongers as unpatriotic for requesting a faster pace of democratisation some time last year :'( .

I guess both of us are looking for a way out. Frankly, I'm tired with following your edits. But what you edit do makes me, and probably other Hong Kong wikipedians, worried and uncomfortable. (It's not a crime or a sin on Wikipedia, and warnings can't get me away. Your edits can.) If I remember correctly, we first came across each other with airline destinations, which you never agree with listing Hong Kong on its own. Please don't say what you're doing is a reaction to my scrutinising. That's not true. You insisted in your point of view before we actually went into series of edit battles.

I have the same desires for peace, as much as other wikipedians do. (But your prejudice might have told you that's not true.) Everytime I bring a matter to the talk page I do hope there would be a nice piece of third party opinion. As a matter of fact, I didn't even know there was a WikiProject Kindness Campaign. The idea of peace dove is actually very new... I would have given one to you if I knew about the drive earlier. I suppose you'd appreciate as much as I do the efforts by other wikipedians to settle the months-old disputes. Let's work together to bring peace. :-) — Instantnood 19:23, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm....interesting read, thou nothing nothing surprising to me at all, to be honest. I still remember you "demanding" that local opinion be respected, as thou "foreigner's" views are suspect, and they will never know locals as well. Yes of coz I wont ever pretend to know about HK more then a local HKer, but that level of understanding dosent seem to be required when analysing the state of sinophobia here. And yes, try as you might in down-playing it (and I am fully aware of almost all examples you quote above), I have personally observed the level of social prejudice and contempt displayed towards Mainlanders in the most "unsual" ways. Ever tried analysing the tonnes of movies churned out by the HK media industry? You guys should be thanking someone like me who buys plenty of DVDs from HK direct. I personally own over 60 titles by now, and including the ones I have seen on TV for my entire life, I have consistently observed the way mainlanders are being portrayed in them. Not nice, to say the least, most of the time. The stereotype is obviously there. For another quick and much more recent example, when I was planning a trip to HK just last month, and when I told my local friends who have been to HK about my worries over the impending language handicap, they told me to always strike up a conversation in English first, before falling back to Mandarin should that fail. Otherwise, they are "not going to respect you", if I may quote directly.

What does this say on HKers in general?

I am not particularly alien to the idea of sinophobia between fellow ethnic Chinese. You might be delighted to know it exists right here in Singapore too, and perhaps to an even larger degree, because they are swarming into this place, and consciously or not, earning themselves a rather bad name as a whole to some extent. But the big difference here, is that Singaporeans usually dont shy away from expressing their sinophobia attitudes...obviously to fellow Singaporeans, and even on the international stage if need be. HKers, despite showing obvious signs of having the same thoughs on their northern breathren, seems to keep it to themselves, yet letting it out in obvious tell tale signs which are not difficult to catch. Your behavior is one of them.

I know all along about the love-hate relationship HKers have with China. HKers see China as a money-milking machine, yet adopt a "not in my backyard" attitude when it comes to mainland Chinese coming to HK to seek opportunities. HKers may "not deny they are Chinese", so to speak, but they do often deny themselves as Chinese nationals. One is more of a cultural thing, the other political. And even in terms of Chinese culture, HKers pride themselves in having arrived materially, spiritually, and intellectually compared to the Mainland Chinese at large. As fellow Chinese, I am more then aware of the Chinese tendencies in using material wants as a guage of human archievements and statue. This is no exception.

Hence, to deny that HK is a part of the PRC does appear to fit much too nicely into the above. Its not like I dont know about the one country two systems formular. Its not like I dont know HK has much autonomy over its affairs. And its not like I dont know it often gets treated like a "country", since this was the case prior to 1997, and China has allowed this practise to largely carry on. But this does not mean the situation can then be exploited to express sinophobia. In fact, your constant contentions that the line "HK, China" is akeen to equating HK with other subdivisions of the PRC makes little sense to me, and causes me to wonder if that is just part and parcel to your sensitivites of being equated with another mainlander. HK, China just means precisely what it is. HK is a part of China. No questions asked. Whether this means it is the same as other Chinese subdivisions, that is obviously another story altogether. Is Xinjiang, China the same as Hunan, China, and is that the same as Beijing, China? No. So why should HK, China be interpreted as the same then?

The term Hong Kong, China does not undermine it in anyway as so described. Listing HK under China does not have any negative effect either. It simply reflects the political realities, and I dont see how this should be debatable.

As for that airline thingy, I suppose you did not realise, that when you came to wikipedia in January 2005, I was already embroiled in the same edit wars with an anon. Interestingly, this person did precisely the same edits as you, and I was not the only one who started having to undo his edits. For some unexplained reasons, this person suddenly dissapeared from view, and instantnood was born. Why this happens, I have no idea. If you are the same person, then that is hardly our first encounter. If not, then you deciding to join in the disputes is obviously calling for a sharp response from me when I was freshly fueding with someone else.

Still, I am certainly hearterned to know that some desires for "peace" is still present here, real or otherwise. I am not too concerned about whether it is an act of hypocricy or not in a way...so long that the dumb edits stop, then I would be more then happy. But whatever the case, peace dont come just be expressing a desire for it. If neither party wishes to come to a logical compromise, then I dont see how anything could be advanced here. This call for compromise isnt the first, and have failed in the past. What shall make the difference now? I await to see a miracle.--Huaiwei 20:18, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Deryck's Stand

It may surprise you if I tell you that I never intended to "back Instantnood" by any means - at least, I opposed having the HK flag coming with a "national flag status". What I'm doing is just to try asserting my own opinions and views and apply them on wikipedia.

I often thought that things on wikipedia are really too tight. People in FAC discussion cross out 80% of my comments by a reason "not conforming/applying to FAS rules". As I can see, most wikipedians are doing exactly the same, and this is what I'm afraid of.

I just really, really hope that you're not going to fall into the same trap by applying man-made rules without a room for exception.

It's seen by all of us that, despite the general rules for a "national library", the Catalonian Library went onto the list. My view is that, if there's one exception, why can't there be another? Life and rules shall all be flexible.

However your view is that, we've violate the rule once. Of course we don't want to violate it twice.

There's no absolute right or wrong between the 2 views (the believer of a flexible life and the believer of absolutely correct rules). However, should the custom "do in Rome what the Romans do" a better way to solve this problem?

Hoping for your reply. Deryck C. 07:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

(see User talk:Deryck Chan for related discussion.)

It's true that I've saw your delays in replying to our acts. In fact, recently I'm in quite a conflict with Instantnood about the "national flag" stuff. Everybody got his unique stand, but by concensus I hope all of us can work well together!!! Deryck C. 13:41, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah...I was away for duty the whole day till an hour ago when I got back. I am quite mentally drained now, a mental state which is not usually good for negotations, as my patience will tend to be particularly lacking then. :D Anyway, I am not sure why you guys "like" to use terms which seem a little too strong. "Conflict" sounds like a fight is going on, when I simply see it as a disagreement. Men do agree and disagree..., but the gentleman is born when he knows how to handle disagreements diplomatically, rationaly, maturely, and with tact, wont you agree? ;) I, too, hope for an amicable solution to all these!--Huaiwei 13:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

If the term "conflict" is a bit over-the-top to you, Hueiwai, which word do you think is the most suitable? Debate? Ding-dong? Or ballyhoo? Personally, I think "argument" is the best to describe the present situation. :-D -- Jerry Crimson Mann 14:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, I did mention the prefered word above..."disagreements".--Huaiwei 14:48, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Pretty politically correct, eh? This word sounds neutral to a certain extent. :) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:05, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Probably. I do take the time to pick the exact words I use to convey the exact sense of intensity I would like to express. I would have tot others would too.--Huaiwei 15:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Find the rest of the Singapore community! Talk

Hi Huaiwei, saw you posting at my talk. Thanks for notifying me about it. By the way, you might have forgotten about adding Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board into the community ;) --Tohlz 19:00, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

List of companies in the People's Republic of China

I stumbled across the List of companies in the People's Republic of China article and just wanted to remind you to tread carefully, othewise you may end up violating the the three revert rule. I'm not taking sides or anything, just a gentle reminder. Also, you may want to consider dispute resolution if you an instanthood cannot come to agreement on the article. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 07:18, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the reminder. This is not the first time I have had similar disputes with him, and so far, I think most avenues for dispute resolution has been used to no anvail. In fact, I think an arbcom is on-going against him now, although it was not initiated by me. Still, I thank you for the kind reminder once again! ;)--Huaiwei 07:40, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Electronic Road Pricing

Mind telling from where did you get the following information: " The study also included a simulation of the Singapore Area Licensing Scheme-based 12-hour manual toll collecting system "? Thanks. :-D — Instantnood 10:52, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

• Transport for Urban Development in Hong Kong. Its an academic article, so I dont think it can be far wrong.--Huaiwei 10:56, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Huaiwei. :-) — Instantnood 11:08, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

You are most welcome.--Huaiwei 11:11, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Nantah, Nicoll Hwy, etc

Good expand on Nantah. Guess I was too zoned out to be trying to write properly in the wee hours A.M. =b

Just to let you know, I've gone ahead and expanded a victims section for Nicoll Highway collapse. I don't think anything important is lost by omitting the Thai worker mention - other workers, too, recounted his bravery. Other sectins on causes and inquiry findings will take some time - school is in! *ack*

You're on starhub cable aren't you? I got hit by your 3RR due to shared proxy. =Þ

-- Hamstersanonymous 17:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Hoho....no lah its ok. I onlay managed to splash down what I can remember off my head...there might be errors too! :D

For the Nicoll Highway page, I shall wait for you to finish the thing and update the main page bwefore commenting? Dont want to interfer too much in your work...haha!

Amd yes, I am on starhub cable. So sorry that it hit you (did you inform an admin about this? They shld be able to help you), although I am a bit surprised starhubs shares IPs...always tot it was supposed to be user-specific. I myself was banned from wiki before by no fauilt of my own when others were hit! :D Once again, I apologise for the inconvenience...--Huaiwei 14:28, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Haha no prob, everyone learns to live with little inconveniences like that. Just trivia la. =Þ It did force me to spend the rest of the evening getting ready for the start of the semester! =Þ --Hamstersanonymous 03:15, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Motion joining Huaiwei to the Instantnood arbitration case

I have made a motion joining you to the Instantnood arbitration case. You may oppose or comment on the motion at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Instantnood_2/Workshop#Motion_to_join_Huaiwei. Fred Bauder 14:10, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...do I reply under the "parties" or "others" category? Thanks! :D --Huaiwei 14:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

• Others, I'd guess, until other arbitrators decide to act on the motion. SchmuckyTheCat 17:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Instantnood_2/Workshop#Motion_to_join_Huaiwei has passed with the support of four arbitrators. Please make any statement you wish at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Instantnood_2 Fred Bauder 14:57, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

About the official Language of Macau

How can I to correct that? Can I correct it directly? Or I need to back up the original information?--HeiChon~XiJun 16:07:59, 2005-07-30 (UTC)

hmm....I not sure what you refering to?--Huaiwei 17:14, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Do you remember the following?

"About Official Language

The official language of Macau is Chinese and Portuguese but int strickly speaking it should clearly shown that both Cantonese and Mandarin official de facto, which is the same of in Hong Kong.--HeiChon~XiJun 09:29:53, 2005-07-25 (UTC)

Agree. Be bold and edit the infobox~ :-D — Instantnood 08:14, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Before being bold, any primary data to back this up?--Huaiwei 12:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)"

Can I correct that all by myself?--HeiChon~XiJun 16:57:29, 2005-07-31 (UTC)

ohoh. What I meant was whether you have a third-party source to back up that edit. Thats all. ;)--Huaiwei 17:11, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

What kind of source would you expect? :-) — Instantnood 18:22, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Airlines talk

Hope you don't mind but, I'm splitting your comment on cargo and destinations, on the talk page to a new heading. I think your destinations and cargo discussion needs to be more noticable since it is an important topic. Vegaswikian 19:19, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh sure, that is alright. ;)--Huaiwei 05:43, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Value added tax

I won't revert your recent edit to value added tax for the time being, but I supposed there could be some better ways to present that piece of information in the footnote, to avoid creating the confusion that special administrative region are just tax exemption areas where special economic laws and policies apply. Any idea? — Instantnood 18:22, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Well, as I always say, revert only if you have a damn good reason for it. I seriously cannot comprehend just how paranoid you are in things related to HK's autonomy, with your hyper-sensitivity towards anything which may suggest otherwise, real or imagined. Further more, I dont see how the previous presentation makes it any more clearer to readers? I would just like you to take two steps back, see things holistically, and realise its not as "misleading" or "demeaning to HK" as you think it is.--Huaiwei 18:37, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, and for sharing with me your own insightful observation (and imagination). I guess I'd have to consult some people who are unfamiliar with China, Hong Kong and Macao to comment on if it's confusing, and how it can be improved. Any suggestion where we can get such people? — Instantnood 18:52, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Hah...erm...I dont know. The usual way wikipedia works is to either wait for someone to edit it saying its confusing, for dialogue to be triggered in the discussion page, or if you really want to, a request for comment even??--Huaiwei 18:58, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

This is the apropriate way to do it. This kind of article isn't the apropriate place to explain the political situation of HK to the reader. If they want more information, they'll click the links. SchmuckyTheCat 02:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

No personal attacks

Please refrain from engaging in personal attacks against other users (e.g [1]), the Wikipedia:No personal attacks policy makes it clear that they are never apropriate and can lead to your being blocked from editing. Thryduulf 16:24, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

On hindsight, yeah, I do feel I have overdone it in that particular instance. I suppose I cant resist the urge to get him off my back, so pardon me for that slip of the tongue (or fingers).--Huaiwei 16:51, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Table manner

Well, just asking for some trivial thingies: do u think the way Alanmak treated with my comment, stroking away instead of putting a new subtopic [2], a bit offensive? >:-( -- Jerry Crimson Mann 16:07, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...actually it is not just "a bit offensive". That was plain rudeness and even highly inflammatory on his part...almost close to the despicable act of deleting comments made by others. That said, I hope you wont loose your anger over individuals like that. Let the community deal with him. You can be sure the vast majority of people here will sympathise with you too.--Huaiwei 16:18, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I'll consider it. :) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 18:00, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I should have listened to your advice. Alanmak has made even worse personal attack [3], which did upset me a lot. :'-( You should know I'm a sensible discussor all the time, and I'm willing to make constructive feedback in the negotiation. Unfortunately, Alanmak has black-mouthed me, calling me master****, and my work c***. Originally I was determined to turn the other cheek, but now I think do something an eye for an eye. What should I do now? -- Jerry Crimson Mann 05:26, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I have made a small comment over there. Quite embarrasing for me to do that actually. :D But lets see how it goes (with a little of my help to steer things in the right direction). Refrain from replying to him now, as that will place you in a worse position should this erupt into an issue to be brought up to the admins. Remember....keep cool! ;)--Huaiwei 07:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, be cool as a cucumber. Sigh... But I'm afraid I can hardly do so, as he insisted that he's not guilty but I was. But the fact is rather the opposite. See the newest development of the discussion. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 07:23, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Instantnood said he was a newbie, but, after reading your comment, I realised that I am more of a newbie than this guy...and I understand your embarassment...I ask for help from both you and your persistent "foe" Instantnood. (Also Schmuckythecat as well whom I've asked for help) Well, you two are both my good wikifriends I suppose, abd that's why I'm asking asistance from you two. But sorry for any inconvenience caused. :-( -- Jerry Crimson Mann 07:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

He may have joined Wikipedia earlier than you did, but he has made much much fewer edits than you. :-) — Instantnood 10:36, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Domestic

As I have said in the edit summary [4], I don't think trade, extradition, aviation agreements are domestic affairs. You may be interested to take a look at domestic policy. If the word "own" sounds unprofessional to you, let's look for a good alternative. It's not accurate to say those affairs are all domestic. — Instantnood 12:54, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

So why dont you bring this up in that topic's discussion page instead of marching to my talk page to do the same thing?--Huaiwei 14:15, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. — Instantnood 14:32, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

User talk pages (specifically User talk:Yuhui)

Hi, it is in fact allowed to remove comments (instead of archiving) from one's user_talk pages after one has responded to them. See Wikipedia:Talk pages#Can I do whatever I want to my own user talk page?. Since the images mentioned in User talk:Yuhui have been removed, it is too late for him/her to respond, so he/she can in fact remove the comments about the deletion of those images. Thanks! -- Paddu 12:59, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...ok. I based my comments on what happened before in other people's talkpages, when admins advised them against deleting anything least they be accused of removing evidence. I suppose I mistook an advise to be a policy, so I beg your pardon for that, and thank you for bringing this up to my attention! ;)--Huaiwei 15:03, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

List of mobile operators

Hey there! We both had the same idea at the same time, which is kinda odd ;) Anyway, I removed the two extra columns you added because the data on them was incomplete, if the turnover figures can be found for all of them then it'd be good to add back in. I wasn't sure exactly what the 'local market share' actually meant, e.g. for vodafone would that just be the UK's share, or vodafone's avg. market share in all markets? Regards :) -- Joolz 17:54, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh its ok...the only thing is if we leave the columns out, others probably wont feel the itch to go research on that! I have discovered that blank spaces seems to work very well here in encouraging community contributions. :D As for "local market share", it just means the company's share in its home country (which is why there was a column for country too). So for Vodafone, it would mean only in the UK. Would you think this info is helpful? I added it on the lines that we can indicate its market position locally too, and not just globally.--Huaiwei 18:17, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

Hi Huaiwei. Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. I was surprised and humbled by the number of positives votes. I was especially touched by your vote (as well as SchmuckyTheCat's and Instantnood's votes). I hope I'm not reading too much into it, but I feel that this is a vote of confidence, and I'd like to repay you by trying to help the three of you come to a peaceful resolution regarding the China/Taiwan-related articles. I think you all got off to a bad start earlier this year, much of which can be attributed to genuine trolls/vandals. I'll try my best to help eradicate malicious vandalism and to work with genuine contributors like yourself to establish a new consensus based on mutual respect. Cheers, --MarkSweep 02:04, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

You certainly have every reason to be proud of this, for our votes show that you deserve it. ;) It is not easy for a mediator to be able to earn the respects from all parties involved, and I am saluting you for this feat. Thank you for your attempts to resolve the matter at hand, and I believe you willbe able to exercise the same degree of impartiality and fairness in all other cases you come across as an admin. So, my congratulations on your successful nomination, and God bless! ;)--Huaiwei 05:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Dairy Farm

I actually wonder if anybody would be looking for dairy farming at Dairy Farm (with a capital letter F). Articles link to Dairy Farm are all about the company, none is about the class of farming. In my opinion it should be disambiguated in the same manner like jail and airplane. Please join the discussion at talk:Dairy Farm. Thanks. — Instantnood 08:45, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Cantonese terms

Didn't we agree at an earlier discussion at category talk:Mandarin terms that these categories for the time being would serve words, terms, phrases, and loanwords? — Instantnood 10:12, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Did I agree to it?--Huaiwei 10:13, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Hiya Huaiwei (In fact Huaiwei is your name, or Wei is your name :-D )! Asking for your advice: do you think the Cantonese terms category could be a subcat of the Mandarin one? -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:22, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Walao....got a surname called "huai" meh? If there is, I hadent heard of it. :D Huaiwei is my "first name" lah. ;) As for the above, No I dont think it should be a subcat of "Mandarin" terms, but it can be one under "Chinese" terms. Why do you ask that?--Huaiwei 15:26, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, just wanna know more about the work-out of the categorization system in here. In fact, what's the difference between a subcat and "under a category"? -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:29, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Hmm...I personally use both terms interchageably, with the same meaning. It just means one category is a sub-category of another? :D--Huaiwei 15:42, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

If I remember correctly somebody tried to demonstrate it was pointless to have categories for Mandarin and Cantonese terms, and categorised plenty of articles to category:Mandarin terms to try to demonstrate it's not possible. — Instantnood 15:31, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

And your point being?--Huaiwei 15:42, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Just to let Jerry know what had been happening. :-) — Instantnood 15:56, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

And may I know how should this be helpful information to him? ;)--Huaiwei 16:02, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Don't you think it's necessary to let him know that somebody's position has changed? That person once opposed having categories for Mandarin and Cantonese terms, and has edited to support his position. But now the same person agrees with having these categories as subcategories of Chinese terms. — Instantnood 16:14, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Huaiwei, would you mind explaining exactly what you do and do not consider to be terms? You've been removing food from the list of terms, arguing that food names aren't terms, but from your edits, it seems that you were the ones who added many of them in the first place. [5] [6] [7] [8] Being that most of us aren't psychic and aren't sensitive to your thought processes, mind telling your reasons for inclusion in the first place, and then the subsequent deletions? --Yuje 16:23, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

I have the intentions of removing all the "XXX terms" categories and replacing them with "XXX words", "XXX phrases", "XXX loanwords", and etc.--Huaiwei 16:27, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

If that's really your intention you should have done the same with all the categories alike, e.g. category:Japanese terms. You should not have removed the articles from these categories until the categories are split. — Instantnood 16:33, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

The simple reason why I did it to the Chinese one first, was because I am obviously far more familiar with this language. And I nominated the Korean one, because it already stood out as an oddity. And of coz, another practical reason is that there are far less terms to manage with these smaller cats. Once they are deemed feasible, it is only natural that category:Japanese terms be broken down into manageable categories too.--Huaiwei 16:42, 7 August 2005 (UTC)