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Hi: I'm new to this system. I wrote the original piece about the redstone building. I am the current building manager of the redstone building, and one of the oldest ongoing individuals, having been at the building since 1984.
After typing in the original piece, I made a copy of it and posted it to my website at http://www.energy-net.org/REDSTONE/DEFAULT.HTM
After this stupid process began, I moved the page from that page to another page http://www.energy-net.org/REDSTONE/histor.htm.
Some other former tenant has since attempted to take over control of the work that I did, making changes to the original document. I was not even barely started with the work that wanted to add.
Why don't I have control over the document on the computers I wrote the document originally? I opened an account to start the page. I am demanding that if the person who is not "energynet" who is taken control over the page is not me! Some of his material is excellent. It is clear that this person who found out about the original post when I notified people who were on my (the redstone building's) mailing list about my posting this document.
I was not aware of the implications or happy about what has happened. I had hardly finished the first draft and had a lot more material I wished to add, and then put links to. The original, if it still exists will clearly point to my beginner status in figuring out what I'm doing.
However, I would like help on what has just happened. I don't like the idea that someone else has taken over control of a document that has extensive resouces that I and only would have available to write the document...
The redstone building manager aka energynet
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I was shocked to see a common file name for a camera was deleted. The next time, i will rename the file to a unique file name - the picture was taken by myself.
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When noticing that the incredible history of the Ebasco had been deleted by authors working on Ebasco Services and had its original article removed, I felt it critical that the history of the largest most powerful of JP Morgan's attempts to monopolize the entire U.S. electric industry was removed.
For this reason, I have been working to construct this history which apparently has never happened. However, I also have several jobs, so hopefully readers/editors will be patient as I'm not the greatest writer grammatically speaking. Since this history reflects upon a number of major industries in this country including GE, I assume that once discovered that a certain amount of pressure will likely be brought to bear since the story about Ebasco which was one of the largest U.S. legal battles in history was clearly meant to disappear. Besides the company's early history, it also played a major role in the U.S. and global nuclear power industry that more or less collapsed due to economic and safety issues. I'm not at this point going to turn it into a summary of what happened to this country's nuclear as I have other activities.
But its clear that a number of major segments of this piece could be expanded upon. These are project areas that need addressing:
The Public Utility Holding Company Act of 1935 is clearly in need of being expanded and updated. It fails to fully document the scope and size of what the act did. First off, the act itself was meant to reign in an out of control corporate raid on rate payers that played a dominant role in the 1929 stock collapse. Few in this country are given even the slightest inkling that a substantial part of the depression was caused by an electricity bubble if you will where the public in urban areas were buying up electric gadgets like never before, but at the same time corporate holding companies were syphoning off huge profits from local operating companies while refusing to bring services to most of rural America. This took FDR's New Deal to reverse, the development of major public programs like the rural electric cooperative movement and the TVA which helped to finally give the South East and much of the rural plains states power where private companies refused to go.
The history of how FDR, who ran on a public power campaign that highlighted the collapse of Samuel Insull's middle West utilities collapse at the start of his election campaign made electricity the single biggest issue in the country for the 1932 national elections. Eisenhower's library even acknowledges this socalled "creeping socialism"
Public Power in the Eisenhower Administration
What Cambridge archive fails to do is document the dirty tactics the industry employed to undermine this country's once important public power movement. When FDR took the issue to the federal level, it too the sails out of local efforts nationally that quickly became reliant on the federal programs. In particular, this played havoc in the state of California where the largest power project of them all, the Central Valley Project was intended to take most of northern California into a public power system. Instead republicans at the last moment, who had taken control of congress stripped the massive public works project of its funding to build a grid to all the communities in the state that were preparing to receive the power from the program and allowed Pacific Gas to construct the grid across the region and sell the wholesale power. This historic theft by PG&E of course had been produced once before when it was able to do the same thing with San Francisco's public system, eventually making the company the largest producer in the state, as as pointed out in this piece, the promoter of the Eisenhower strategy.
This history should be made public as it defines an era based on piracy of public resources. The documentation exists. Sadly, its been all but removed from history by the country's textbook companies at the public education level and its this documentation by the public power movement going back to the 1920's on how this was attained.
Today, this country's corporate control of discourse and attacks using a history of red baiting that was used not to just smear a few Hollywood writers and the labor movement, but also to undermine the public utilities ownership movement, that had fully documented the benefits of these services from Seattle, Los Angeles, Cleveland, small programs in the North East and the massive Rural cooperatives, and the TVA. This was big money and game the private bankers and big electric companies played was evil. If our public highways and schools could have been privatized back then they would have upped the "Red Scare" if it would have made a difference. The fact that the largest NY banks were the benefactors in this agenda and why the country has one of the worst election systems in world all go into play over just how horrific this situation has become. To take the subject public becomes an ideological attack which is absurd. Today, the people being hurt the worst by this are those who just don't understand how they were robbed by bankers and the electric industry.
In an update - a trilogy has been put together NELA - PUHCA and EBASCo - that documents the evolution of the electric industry going back to 1906 when it hid an agenda to manipulate public opinion on its fight against municipal ownership. Full documentation of this history is embedded within the NELA' proceedings and carefully camoflaged as part of their "co-operation campaign" that was echoed in their trade journals. By 1926 this campaign had become so large that tens of millions of dollars a year were being spent annually by the industry as part of its larger public relations campaign. Opponents, from municipalities to labor unions and western states fought back and were able to pass senate resolution 83 in 1928 that called for an investigation of the industry that was done by the FTC between 1928-35. The dramatic findings in these large scale investigations led FDR and supporters to pass PUHCA on 8-24-35. This was followed by 25 years of legal fighting to break up the industry by the SEC. The documentation of this immense battle has always been on the industry's mind since which took them nearly 20 years, starting in the 1980's to repeal the act in 2005.
The entire issue, with the 1973 book by Phillip Fungiello documenting the blow by blow details of the PUHCA legislative battle along with the rest of the New Deal's energy policy initiatives like the rural electric cooperative movement and the large public dam projects. The REA was possibly the single most important move by FDR that brought electricity to rural areas where nothing existed because there was no money to be made - by the mid 1920's the industry's own internal statistics showed that 95% of the country's 6.5 farmers without power. These federally funded projects are still active today and cover nearly 75% of the country compared to the fact that most corporate electric development is focused on urban areas.
Fungiello lays out the immense battle, minus Senator Hugo Black's dramatic radio broadcast on Aug 8th 1935 where his committee found up to $5 million spent by the industry to try and kill the PUHCA during the 7 month battle over its passage including a fake movement and vicious media tactics. The extensive details documented by the author are backed up by the library of Congress' own newspaper archives where both articles, editorials and ads could be found as part of the nationwide campaign that focused primarily however on NYC, Chicago and DC. The best example of this dramatic campaign was with the Washington D.C. Evening Star that exemplified the conservative press at the time. Black's investigation of the lobbying campaign showed that the industry's many front groups and internal news network were able to quickly compile a list of 1,000 editorials (with 62% being opposed) against the legislation (PUHCA-Wheeler-Rayburn Bill) in just ten days. Try to do that on Google today! The fact that this history is all but unknown today can find the reason for this embedded in the FTC investigation where the commission found that the industry had become so powerful that it had veto power over the country's textbooks. The PR campaign mentioned above has been described as the largest of its kind with the FTC identifying its start in 1919, but then this date was actually articulated because that was when documents it received by the NELA were made available back to. Digital access to earlier NELA proceedings documents the real start, even though it only lasted two years back to 1906, but was again restarted in 1913.
This single issue has dramatic historic relevance today because it clearly lays out the details of how organized the industry became and that this political and financial network via NELA and then EEI lays the groundwork for its ultimate privatization of this country's energy policy and how rate payers financed the PR/propaganda campaign that has really never stopped. A last note, when the FTC used the word propaganda to describe the PR campaign in the 1920's, it do so accurately in its final report - that included references to the industry's own use of "propaganda" in its deliberative strategy against the public which it felt was stupid and manipulatable. Thousands of pages of testimony and exhibits went into the investigation detailing this propaganda campaign and who it was directed at. The impacts of stigmatizing public ownership as "soviet plot" to overthrow american values today is the single largest ongoing fear based tactic of its kind in this country's history and can be found dating back to the 1870's when labor unions first started to organize. These fear based tactics became the most shrill during FDR's administration and were openly thrown at the New Deal by the industry and its allies that were under direct threat due public perceptions of their role in the 1929 crash. FDR's brain trust for example was smeared repeatedly as an invasion of unamerican ideas when in fact most of these people as well as FDR had no intention of nationalizing the industry as shown in all administration historic documents from the time.
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I'm a bit concerned that all materials were taken directly from wikisource. I was under the impression that wikipedia's link to this very same article suggested that it was a legitimate article - thus taking its content as a viable reference. This is the first supreme court legal piece I've done, so if it does not pass then what to do? Energynet (talk) 01:32, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
I am also quite upset that I was actually still working on the piece when you moved it! How is it that I had spent less than a few minutes on this piece when it was moved? Energynet (talk) 05:02, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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Excuse me? but what materials are copywrited? Energynet (talk) 01:24, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Energynet: The copypaste were from this and this. Please view the comments on Draft:Securities and Exchange Commission v. Electric Bond and Share company for more updates. Bishal Shrestha (talk) 03:03, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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@Theroadislong I'm very concerned how out of the nowhere the entire project is being threatend for deletion!??? I was at the teahouse attempting to resolve this there, and then come back to the piece and see this? I have removed the materials even though there appears to be a split about whether it is copyright or not since its a federal decision released by a court. The site it came from had no copywrite on the piece. But as suggested, I have taken it off the article and linked to it at wikisource. But I have no idea now how to protect the rest of the piece.
This feels very unfair that I'm being forced to stop my regular life and being threatened by the loss of all this work when I was making an active attempt to solve this!
- The page you copied from https://www.leagle.com/decision/1938722303us4191677 clearly says at the bottom "Copyright © 2017, Leagle, Inc." Theroadislong (talk) 09:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
@Theroadislong Thanks for pointing this out! However, I had deleted all of the copied Leagle.com material from the page - so it was no longer in the article! Yet, the entire piece was still deleted! Besides this, how is it possible that a private entity can copyright public domain materials - in this case a supreme court case decision?Energynet (talk) 17:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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I was under the impression that anything from 1923 and older is available for fair use. The image is from an organization that has been long gone. Energynet (talk) 07:19, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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-- RoySmith (talk) 15:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)Thanks Roy for standing up for me on this! Kind of crazy time for me, lots of lessons learned. Energynet (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
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It was originally going to be a "hit and run" - cut and paste the decision in. Boy was I in for a surprise. I must have spent hours trying to comply with Tea house comments. I'm not even sure I'm still there yet, as one person said that I need to find a modern summary of the decision - couldn't find anything from a legal scholar but did find a prominent writer as well as a guy that played a major role in overseeing the act back when it passed. If more concerns arise, I may have to go to a law library, but maybe somebody else can chime in that has access to better resources than I do.
thanks for the shout out and support Energynet (talk) 00:20, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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