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Re: Crazyness

You're crazy! There's a Cat. 4 potentially historic storm in the Caribbean, and you're worrying about a possible tropical depression from 1994 in the EPAC :P The last storm (August 14th off of Baja) is TD 12-E, per its TCR. The NHC says it was a semi-organized storm on the 9th, which means the two storms could've ended up as 12E. Not sure though, though I respect you still have interest in the past with the current goings on. Hurricanehink (talk) 22:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Heh, just checking to make sure you're ok in the head. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh boy, that better not come true. If it does, got any lottery numbers? (seriously, I really hope that wouldn't happen) Hurricanehink (talk) 03:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Greatest Season of All Time

I'll put my votes in <!-- and --> so others can vote. To make it fun, what about choosing our top five, with the #1 getting more points than #5? Hurricanehink (talk) 22:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Three is too few! For mine, I couldn't decide on the #1, so I chose two. Hurricanehink (talk) 22:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is getting to the peak of hurricane season. Some people might not be interested in such a thing, while others might be too busy with RL to get on Wikipedia. Hurricanehink (talk)

Hey E. Yep, RL got in that way. But I wanna play! I would do top five, but I really like Top Ten countdowns. So, for the total and complete hell of it, and for the sake of having nothing better to do, I present to you, The Top Ten Seasons of all time! Cyclone1(01:49-1-09-2007)

• 10 - the 1995 Pacific Typhoon Season: With 34 developing tropical or subtropical storms, including the legendary Super Typhoon Angela, the 1995 WPAC Typ season just barely cracks the top ten.
• 9 - the 1914 Atlantic hurricane season: You must think I'm crazy. But, the season that has developed less tropical cyclones in a year than any other season or basin in history deserves a spot at the top ten. And they said ULL's and shear ruled 2006. Bah.
• 8 - the 1985 Atlantic hurricane season: The season with more U.S. landfalling named storms than any other season clocks in at number eight. These include a rare New Yorker, Gloria, a rare November major storm, Kate, and a rare billion dollar category one, Juan. Bob, Danny and Elena also struck land as hurricanes, setting yet another record.
• 7 - the 1999 North Indian Cyclone season: With not one, but 3 intense cyclones making landfall in areas relatively untouched by major cyclones, including a category five, the 1999 NICS takes number 7 on my countdown for world wide seasons, and number 1 for the North Indian Ocean.
• 6 - the 1969 Atlantic hurricane season: A season with 18 confirmed tropical storms, 1969 contained many rare and intense storms that qualify the season to be in the top ten. These include Hurricane Debbie, the first succesfully man-weakened hurricane in history (up for debate), Hurricane Inga, one of the longest lasting hurricanes in history, and Hurricane Martha, the first and so far only storm to make landfall in Panama. All of these set aside from the infamous Camille. The very name brings back terrible memories of that storm for some, destroying parts of Mississippi and leaving over 200 dead. This hurricane alone lets this season fall in the top ten.
• 5 - the 1998 Atlantic hurricane season: One word. Mitch. Strongest October hurricane of it's time, Mitch stalled directly north of Honduras, taking the lives of tens of thousands. Mitch wasn't the only one, however. Georges caused over 600 deaths as it made 7 landfalls in its long and drawn out lifetime. In addition to containing a billion dollar east coast hurricane, 4 simultaneous hurricanes, and the strongest December hurricane ever, 1998 was also the second deadliest hurricane season of all time, leaving over 12,000 dead.
• 4 - the 1997 Pacific typhoon season: 10 category five super typhoons. That is the result of the strongest El Nino in history. 1997's category five strength storms alone is enough to knock it all the way to number four. I have nothing else to say.

• 3 - the 1999 Atlantic hurricane season: A season that's always fascinated me, and holds a special place in my heart. Floyd was the first account of a hurricane I can remember. The storm threated to hit me, but instead, barreled up the east coast, causing untold flooding. Then Irene. First hurricane I can remember going though, it was at that point when I realized weather was more than tornadoes (which I've been obsessed with since I was 3). The the odd ball, Lenny. Moving BACKWARDS across the caribbean as a category four in NOVEMBER, Lenny ranks in the top ten of the weirdest hurricanes of all time. But that's a different list.

• 2 - the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season: Set uncountable records, Caused untold damage, and nearly destroyed an historic city. 2005 held many killers, and many, MANY weirdos. First was Cindy, "the Foreshadower." Then came Dennis, striking awe into the sight of many Pro and Am Mets as it set a record for the strongest July hurricane. Then Emily, "the over-achieving little sister" stole Dennis' thunder after only 9 days. Irene came and went and came back and stayed and went again. Then, Katrina, "the storm from Hell". Ophelia decided to surf the east coast for 10 days, and Phillipe decided to commit suicide at the top of its game. Rita set a Gulf record, Stan killed more than Katrina did, and Tammy and 22 decided to give the NE hell with their torrential rains. Vince was too high-class for all that climatology crap, and decided to initiate the re-writing of the Hurricane Rules of Formation. Wilma set a basin wide record, and needs no further summary. Alpha was the first in the fraternity. Beta went unnoticed, despite heavy damage. Gamma was too indecisive to pick a good formation location. Delta decided to hang out in the dark continent. Epsilon wouldn't die, and set a record for the longest lasting off-season storm in history. And just when everyone got out from under their desks and uncovered their eyes, and began exchanging Christmas gifts, came Zeta. That's the 2005 season in a nutshell. So, why is this at #2? Because I wouldn't care about hurricanes if it weren't for #1.

• 1 - the 2004 Atlantic hurricane season: A season that will not be forgotten by anyone in Florida, least of all me. 2004 started out with the second highest latitude major hurricane in history. That was quickly forgotten when the third storm formed. Charley. Racing up Highway 17 as a major hurricane, Charley left many completely blindsided. From Punta Gorda to Orlando, Charley became the second costliest hurricane of its time. It's the reason I even know about hurricanes. If it weren't for the scariest moment in my life, I wouldn't have found the biggest fascination of my life. Then came Frances, merely a big rainmaker, Frances was feared, but was nothing like what it was forescast to be. It became the second hurricane in less than 3 weeks to hit Florida. Then came Ivan. Leveling parts of the north Gulf coast, Ivan was the last thing the US economy need at the time. As if to prove that point, Jeanne was going fishing when she suddenly decided to hit Florida as well, setting a record for the only season to have three hurricanes cross the same county (Polk, Fl, the county I live in) in 6 weeks. In addition it held a last minute December surpise named Otto. In further addition, the South Atlantic hadnever been more active, with a category two cyclone landfalling Brazil. Thanks to Charley, the hurricane that changed my life for the better, I hereby declare 2004 the Greast Hurricane Season of All Time.

Sorry for the insanely loooooong response. Cyclone1(01:49-1-09-2007)

Haha, patience. If you build it they will come. I think that phrase might be relevant somehow. I like the idea of the subpage, and I agree, top five only. I went overboard frankly because I have a wicked head cold and I can't sleep and I'm bored. So, I hope you get more responses. And now, I'm off to drink about half a bottle of Nyquil, sneeze about 17 gajillion more times, and attempt go to sleep and not wake up until noon. Ughh... I hate who ever didn't invent the cure for the common cold. Cyclone1(03:09-1-09-2007)

There will never be a cure for the cold. No one is looking. You know why? Tylenol, Motrin, Nyquil, Halls... they are all raking in too much money. As long as people get sick, they make money. If people stop getting sick, because of a cure, they don't make money. Simple as that. I've actually heard rumors that a cure was found, but never released, but I think that's just conspiracy. Cyclone1(22:31-1-09-2007)

Jerks... Cyclone1(18:24-5-09-2007)

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Re: Wow

Wow indeed. The EPAC is awesome, in that despite how small it is (much smaller than Atlantic and Pacific in terms of where storms form) it still has insane activity like 1974. The Atlantic never gets 5 (alright, one time they had 5, which was in 1971), and 4 is very rare, but it is fairly common in the EPAC. Hurricanehink (talk) 15:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I was talking tropical cyclones in general. Damn, there were 6 including depressions?! Truly amazing. If only there was a good image of the basin at the time :( Oh, and for the record, I'll probably be the one making an Ingrid article, so don't hate me ;) Hurricanehink (talk) 19:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I tried thinking of the Atlantic ones since 1950, and off the top of my head I only thought of 1971, 1998, and 2004 (simply because that was the latest in Atlantic hurricane history that there were 4 simultaneous, a record I noted in my hurricane records file on my computer). I can't believe I forgot about 1995, but the 1961 I wouldn't have thought of; as a quick aside, I remember reading somewhere that the 1961 could have been 4 simultaneous hurricanes, as the first reconnaissance was not until late on the 12th (this image remarks Esther was pretty well organized by late on September 11). You do know, though, that 1893 had four simultaneous hurricanes, right? On August 22 at 00z That's not something the EPAC can boast about, though :) Also, I was checking our favorite typhoon season on Unisys (meaning JTWC data). At 12z on August 2, it had TS Scott, TS Tina, and TY Victor, and at 12z on August 29, it had TY Amber, TS Bing, and TS Cass. Never more than three. However, from October 17 to the 19th, there were two Category 5 equivalent typhoons - Ivan and Joan. (As an aside, did you know that on the naming list for the 1997 PTS, there were five retired Atlantic hurricane names? Opal, David, Ivan, Joan, and Keith were all on the list) Hurricanehink (talk) 03:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, hard to believe. I just checked 1961 PTS (most active PTS), and it only had 3 at most. This whole discussion might be material for a new article - List of simultaneous tropical cyclones. Like, it could split by basin, and list basin records (listing of simultaneous Category 5 hurricanes, or occurrences of 4 tropical cyclones at once, or 3 hurricanes at once). Here is the listing of 3 or more simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes. I only went back to 1950.

• Hurricanes Baker, Charlie, and Dog - 00z to 06z on August 31
  • Hurricanes Charlie, Dog, and Easy - 12z on September 2 to 18z on September 4
• Hurricanes Betsy, Carla, and Debbie 00z on September 7 to 18z on September 11, 1961; at 06z on September 12, Hurricanes Carla, Debbie, and Esther were co-active
• Hurricanes Beulah, Chloe, and Doria - 06z on September 10 to 00z on September 11, 00z to 06z on September 12, and 12z on September 14 to 06z on September 16
• Hurricanes Earl, Frances, and Georges - 06z to 18z on September 8, 1980
• Hurricanes Humberto, Iris, and Luis - 18z on August 30 to 12z on August 31, 1995
• Hurricanes Georges, Ivan, and Jeanne - 18z on September 23; four at the same time from 12z on September 25 to 18z on September 26, 1998
• Hurricanes Maria, Nate, and Ophelia- 21z on September 9, 2005, based on operational data (in post-analysis, Ophelia is a TS at 18z, and Maria is a TS by 00z)

These are the only times there were two or more simultaneous major hurricanes.

• Hurricanes Dog and Easy - 06z on September 4 to 18z on September 5, 1950
• Hurricanes Easy and Fox - 12z on September 17 to 00z on September 18, 1951
• Hurricanes Hilda and Ione - 06z on September 18 to 00z on September 19, 1955
• Hurricanes Helene and Ilsa - 18z on September 25 to 00z on September 28, 1958
• Hurricanes Carla and Debbie - 12z on September 11 to 00z on September 12, 1961
• Hurricanes Camille and Debbie - 06z on August 18, 1969
• Hurricanes Floyd and Gert - 00z to 12z on September 15, 1999 image

Hurricanehink (talk) 03:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Holy crap, I checked Cleo and Dora, but I completely missed Ethel being a Cat. 3. From 1949 to 1933 (a good beginning date for now), there were no 3 hurricanes, and the only time there were two or more simultaneous majors were:

• Hurricanes #11 and #12 - 12z on September 1 to 06z on September 4

I'll go back further when I get the chance :) Hurricanehink (talk) 13:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Yea, 1926 was another interesting year; however, HURDAT has gotten there already preliminarily, and the number of major hurricanes has dropped. Hurricanehink (talk) 03:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Send a letter to the Hurricane Research Division with the data for which you found out it was a TS and not a TD :P That looked like a good storm. Had it been named, the season would've gotten to Omar, in which case I'm sure it would've been a more well-known season. It's annoying, isn't it? That TD in the Gulf of Mexico got all of the attention in the world, but possible tropical storms have been ignored. Hopefully the HRD will sort it out and find those missing TS's and H's once they get to the late 90's in, oh, maybe 10 years. :( Hurricanehink (talk) 03:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I know, right? The problem with finding storms is that we'd rely almost solely on satellite data. Rarely is ship or atmospheric data archived, so the most we can do is wait patiently for Hurdat, while gawking at storms that could be. Hah, the thing with Ernesto is that it was upgraded to TS status from satellite estimates, but the NHC says that it might never have had a circulation. Hurricanehink (talk) 04:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that's a cool way to look at your archive. Haha, I love the idea of Tropical Storm Bapoto. Curious, what storms did you add in 1994 and 2000? I am positive, as well, there are some gray storms, but where would the fun be if every storm was classified and forecasted perfectly? Hurricanehink (talk) 14:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Cool list of added storms, though did you consider adding any other Atlantic storms other than ones HPC identified? Hurricanehink (talk) 19:01, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, just checking, and cool. I'll be sure to let you know if I see any very likely ones. Hurricanehink (talk) 04:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Probably

Heh, I've given up on those, but I'm going to have to say yes, you're seeing things. I would say it might've been a Mesoscale convective system; from the previous day - vis 1, vis 2 No circulation evident over land, as it looks like that moved off of Tunisia into the south-central Mediterranean - IR 1, IR 2. I can't tell what happens after that, but I'm leaning that since the disturbance popped up quickly (specifically from an area of convection over northern Africa), it probably was not tropical. Sorry, not this time :) Hurricanehink (talk) 21:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, storms come off of west-central Africa, not northern Africa, and they don't usually form within 6 hours of moving offshore. Believe what you want, those storms are unclassifiable :) Hurricanehink (talk) 21:33, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: What if's

Wow, very interesting indeed. Wilma ideally should have been Alpha, which is why I really wanted an alternate naming list after the normal list. Greek letter retirements would be confusing, which is why I wanted the 7th list of gender-neutral names. But I digress; indeed the historical record would've been very different had the unnamed storms been named. People tend to focus too much on the names, but had 1969 had gone to Sadie, I'm sure people would look at that season very differently (more than just the season of Camille).

Back over the summer, I applied the what if's to if cyclones reached their greatest forecasted potential, and how the season might have ended up. 2003 was the first one, since that is my favorite Atlantic hurricane season. TD 2 would've been TS Bill, TD 6 would've been Hurricane Fabian, TD 9 would've been a strong TS Henri, Fabian would've been Isabel, Isabel would've made landfall as a Category 3 Hurricane Larry, TD 14 would've been Hurricane Mindy and a potentially long-tracking Cape Verde hurricane, Juan would've been Nicholas, Nicholas would've been Hurricane Sam, and Peter would've been Hurricane Victor, with an impressive seasonal total of 20/10/3. --Hurricanehink (talk) 04:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, you're assuming they would've been noticed :P Actually, I have done that retroactive naming scheme, using the current list and going backwards to the naming lists of the 50s through 70s. Some retired names could've worked, as well; Anita 77 - Alicia, Eloise 75 - Emily, Fifi 74 - Frances, Camille 69 - Cindy, Dora 64 - Debby, Hilda 64 - Helene, Carla 61 - Claudette, Donna 60 - Diana, Gracie 59 - Gabrielle, Audrey 57 - Arlene, Connie 55 - Carla 61, Ione 55 - Isabel, Hazel 54 - Hortense. Did you go back further than 50? --Hurricanehink (talk) 18:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL, ending with Typhoon Sigma in December, I love it :D And had those tropical depressions been named it would've gone to Omega! Of course, you raise the obvious comment that overestimations likely occurred for every storm on the order of 10 to 15 kts, so it's still in just what if territory, but you still baked some good food for thought. Hurricanehink (talk) 03:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

First, my favorite season is 2003 Atlantic hurricane season, not 1997 Pacific typhoon season ;) Second, why don't you take your WPAC interest and write some articles?! This is an encyclopedia, after all, not a message board :P But it would be great if you wrote for WPTC again. We've been in a lull and need some writers. Back to your point, that's still amazing that the season would still be in the top three if all of the intensities were decreased by 15 kts. Heh, I just checked if the same would happen for the Atlantic, and if 2005 AHS had all intensities decreased by 15 kts (just hypothetical) it'd still be #2 with 20 storms. Hurricanehink (talk) 04:28, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Sidr

Nice words, man. One of the worst things about the storm is that few people (comparatively speaking) knew about the cyclone. I doubt any news centers (CNN, FoxNews) even mentioned it before it struck, though I did notice they started to report on it today. It's sad how common the deadly storms are in the basin, but it's also sad that so few people know about it. --Hurricanehink (talk) 04:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I meant how few Americans knew about the storm. I've told a few people that a few thousand people were killed by a cyclone that struck Bangladesh, and none of them heard of it. Time will tell if the country has learned from its past, though I for one believe they waited far too late for the evacuations. --Hurricanehink (talk) 04:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Indeed about the Katrina comparison, though for Katrina people still stayed despite the evacs. I doubt many would stay despite evac orders. --Hurricanehink (talk) 22:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: SEPAC

Nice little swirl there. It was Tropical Cyclone Rita, which reached as far east as 137 W. Of course, I must ask whether you found that on your own, or looked in the archives to find it ;) --Hurricanehink (talk) 22:39, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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Yeah, the Sox games are very exciting. I love the Red Sox but the Reds are still my favorite team (too bad they can never win). About the invitation, I don't think everyone in the WikiProject are even Sox fans (from what I know, Soxrock is a Yanks fan and hates the Red Sox; his username I think comes from the White Sox).   jj137 ♠ Talk 01:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry it took so long to get back! (Apparently I forgot to reply :( ) Yes, I definitely have to agree with all of that. Freel is probably the craziest Reds player I've seen in a while, and Dunn... well, you know it's something when you're the only player in history to hit a homer to another state (yes, he knocked one over the river and into Northern Kentucky). The good thing is, they're both playing each other in interleague next June, so hopefully it'll be entertaining. Also, the Braves are great. I couldn't believe how good Jeff Francoeur was when he broke into the majors in 2005, and he's really helped their team (even when they lost the division).   jj137 ♠ Talk 04:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Dunn is, pretty simply, a beast. I remember watching one game a few years ago, seeing him completely clearing a huge building in dead center. I just stood there in awe; I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I remember it went straight into the river (or mabye bounced), and I think that was the one that went to Kentucky. It's too bad Bonds has gotten into all that trouble; I used to have a lot of respect for him because of his power but now just don't care, other than that the all-time home run king, a pretty powerful position, may have been on drugs.   jj137 ♠ Talk 01:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

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Re:The thing that you said was long on the 2007 AHS page, but...

Hi. Well, heh, when I feel like it, I can type really long posts. Um, I think it took me about 10 - 30 minutes. It wasn't a forum, BTW. Well, when I want to express myself, I can sometimes post really long things. That actually isn't very long compared to some posts I've made. Have you checked out the science reference desk? If you want to see a really, really, really long post I made, go there. Click on the section, "Andromeda-Milky Way collision". It was so long it had to be paragraphed. After a few replies, I replied, and that too had to be paragraphed. My first post in that section was, what, about 3000 words long? Usually even the essays I do for school aren't that long. BTW, I'm about to upload something, the first time I would ever do so, so bye for now. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 22:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Userbox spinoff

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Re: Lightsaber duel between Atlantic and WPAC

Wow, nice research - the Atlantic looks like it will get the points on this one. In fact, the Atlantic has slapped the entire Pacific basin big time this year. The EPAC had their good share of depressions, but aside from Flossie it was a relatively mediocre season. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Indeed, that is interesting

Wow, despite the advancements in technology and so-called increase in storm activity, that's surprising the first half of the 20th century had more US landfalls than the 2nd half. Now I have a question for you. Why did you stop making hurricane articles? ;) --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Crap, I feel really bad now - you have been doing a good job with the often forgotten older seasons. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, well keep up the good work while you're on break. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

To butt in a little, there do seem to be patterns. Using the NOAA photo library,[1] it reveals that 10 major hurricanes struck the US between 1941-50, of which seven hit Florida, one hit the east coast, and two elsewhere in the Gulf. In 1951-60, the major hurricane strikes were one in Florida (Donna), one in the Gulf (Audrey), the other six hit the East coast.[2] From 1961-80, ten major hurricanes hit the gulf coast, none elsewhere![3] During 1981-90, there was no pattern.[4] Padgett's summary in June 2002[5] has more on possible Atlantic patterns.

BTW, some of the Photo Library's "major" hurricanes may not be so intense at their US landfall, but I suppose that the pattern still holds. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 21:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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Ah well. They sound like a barrel of laughs... --Tagishsimon (talk) 05:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Discrepancies

I've been using this link, which also said Carol was a Category 3. Also one thing to note: HURDAT is done by the Hurricane Research Division, which is separate from the National Hurricane Center. As such, there might be some discrepancies, until the re-analysis is done some time this century. How should we deal with our articles? Pray that we'll all be alive by the time HURDAT is finished and relax then :) Cheers. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Uhh, the NHC? IMO, if HURDAT reports provide higher wind speeds, we should use them. Otherwise, we'll use the max speed in the best track. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It just so happens that I had this problem with another user a few days ago. The way I should've done Carol was to put in ≥115 mph, as I do personally believe that HURDAT listing Category 3 status means winds were 115 mph. You do realize, though, that the link I provided above was also a work of HURDAT? (most people in our community use Hurdat and best track synonymously, but they are not). Perhaps this would be a discussion more suited for the WPTC talk page? --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we've been using the preliminary HURDAT papers in the WPTC occassionally, such as the pre-1851 hurricanes, storms from 1915-1930 (released by HURDAT, but not approved by NHC), and those papers. I'm just not sure how much we've been doing so. While I'm posting here, I'll bring up an example. A user cited a preliminary HURDAT paper for the 1928 Okeechobee hurricane hitting Florida with 130 kt winds on the List of Florida hurricanes page. What do you think should be done? --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I suppose that's where you and I differ. I feel just as comfortable using the range than an exact wind speed. If the original HURDAT said 60 kt peak winds, and an updated paper says it had winds of Category 1 status, or even if it just a hurricane, then that is huge, since the cyclone reached a whole new level for category. Likewise if the original said it was a 65 kt hurricane, and a Re-analysis paper said it was only a TS. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, if we're going to use the new data anyway, than ranges are acceptable. So, given that we both disagree, shall we take it to the WPTC talk page? --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Blockbuster

Wow... Great synopsis of the storm, and I can't wait for the project to get online. I wish you the best of luck with it. Having written on several of the deadliest storms (Mitch, Georges, Great Hurricane, to name a few), I know how hard it can be in writing on how many deaths there were, and it's sad when people see the death tolls as merely a number. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I suppose that's one way to look at it, but mostly I meant how real people are affected by the storms. For Camille... truly incredible is all I can say. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, though I had to based on how pathetic it was before I got to it. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:46, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

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