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Consultation regarding genealogy policy in Wikipedia

Please, could yo take a look to this consultation that I have started in Wikipedia. Someone recommended to write to you. I would really appreciate your help.--Tasc1 05:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear colleagues of Wikipedia: Is there any policy in Wikipedia prohibiting a person to write the history/biography of his own family and surname? (genealogy) (not his own history, CV, work, etc, but of his family, surname, noteworthy members, and ancestors). I am asking this since in Wikipedia in Spanish I am being severely criticized (almost humiliated) for that reason, in a call to delete my work (and now, they are after all the work that I wrote, including an article regarding Academic freedom (Spanish)). I would prefer not to have the same very unpleasant experience again; for this reason, I prefer to ask first. Few minutes ago, I was blocked in the Wikipedia (Spanish)(page Santa Coloma (apellido) (Spanish), User Tasc), by a sysop that was a part in the conflict (directly involved in the procedure to delete the page and clearly manifesting that he disliked the article when he voted; so, he was a Judge, a part interested in the result, and a executioner, at the same time). And he blocked my account just because I was complaining regarding an user involved in the discussion, that abusing of the anonymous condition of his name, started to insult myself (real name) and my family with adjectives of any kind, instead of analyzing the content of the article to improve it. And these discussions are public, as you know. Perhaps the main argument that they use is that, since I am writing regarding my ancestors, this is a vanity page, own research (although it has multiple references, perhaps more than any other article in wikipedia), etc. These accusations are vague and broadly made. When I ask for precisions as to indicate exactly in which paragraph and lines they find the supposed violations to the Wikipedia policies, I got no specific answers. I have already deleted almost 50% of the article, and they insist with deletion of the entire article, with general arguments, without being explicit.

We do not have in wikipedia in Spanish an instance to appeal the decisions of any sysop yet. So, these potential violations to academic freedom a freedom of speech are unavoidable right now in our Spanish Wikipedia. I would really appreciate any feedback in this issue. Regards, --Tasc1 04:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like a conflict of interest to write an article about your own family. It is also probably original research unless your family history has been extensively published or written about in notable, reliable sources. Finally, academic freedom and freedom of speech are not policies in Wikipedia. They're certainly good ideas but they're not necessarily directly applicable in an encyclopedia. Our core policies are verifiability, neutral point of view, and no original research. As to the specifics of your situation, I'm sorry that I can't offer any specific comments or suggestions as my Spanish is quite bad. --ElKevbo 04:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I personally don't think it's a conflict of interest, as long as it's a notable family (on this Wikipedia, we're as concerned with notability as much as anything). You will probably be OK, as long as you provide sources, preferrably verifiable ones that exist on the internet (providing it from a geneological paper only available to you won't do much help). Also, because I don't have time to read up on your situation, I can't say definitely that there won't be issues (you may be familiar with the saying, "the first person to come along always sounds right, until you hear his adversary"). Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 04:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed - it may or may not be a conflict of interest. I think there's a greater chance in this case but it's certainly not inevitable. --ElKevbo 04:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The first in my family came in 1786, and he was at the time the most important merchant in the Rio de la Plata (Gaspar de Santa Coloma). There is a book from a recognized biographer, expert in history, regarding his memories (Enrique de Gandía, in "Buenos Aires Colonial"). Even the Residential hose for the President was donated by members of my family. And the history extends from the independence war (Colonel Brandsen and others) to the fait for the Reconquest from the morocco’s in Spain, by the year 844. Also, Bonifusus de Sancta Columba (old version of the last name), was the first person in having a Patent granted (XIII century) by Henry III. And the musician Sainte Colombe of France, is very will know. I could continue for pages, but it is not the issue here. Thanks a lot for the fit back. Perhaps I should write it in English (probably there are still some "de Sancta Columba" in UK), but I would like to avoid the same problem and have to erase everything after so much work. In addition, I would need your help fox to improve the grammar and style, if you are willing to help in such a long history, that even is related to Nessie and Arthur (indirectly). Kind regards, Tomás Santa Coloma.--Tasc1 05:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you ElKevbo for your rapid and kind response. Yes, it can be a conflict of interest. But who can right a genealogy article better than a person who knows his family history with details? Actually, the article references several books, articles and also pages in Internet. So, I think that the issue should not be if I am a relative of any personality, but how objective I was in writing about them. In other words, which is important is if I can complain objectively with the policies of neutral point of view and original research. Of course, some parts were difficult, because in my situation is sometimes hard to be objective. But if the article has some parts that might not be justified, they can always be corrected. From my modest point of view, there is no reason to erase the entire work. Don’t you agree? --Tasc1 05:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Besides, the attitude of the sysop, being a Judge, a person with interest in the results, also indicating that he dislike the work, and then blocking myself in the middle of the voting process, is at least a non-ethical behavior (I might be wrong, of course). Do you know if Wikipedia has some appeal instance that can act over Wikipedias in other languages when the administrators abuse of they power? I would really appreciate any help in this issue. I worked very hard in that page (197 kb and now I was forced to reduce it to 120 kb). Something else, one administrator said that independently of the results of the voting process, he will erase the page anyway, arguing that it does not complain with the wiki policies (without specifying which paragraphs do not). Regards. --Tasc1 04:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Is it perhaps an issue of noteability? I can imagine that other users may nominate or support deleting a geneological article if the family is perceived not to be noteable. If that is the case, then the best way to answer that challenge is with reliable, published sources. Maybe it would be a good idea for you to copy the article into Talk space and work on it there for a while. Once it's in really good shape with lots of fantastic references you might be in a better position to update the article with your new version. --ElKevbo 05:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

(after edit conflicts) As Kev and Pat suggest, one's writing an autobiography or biography of a relative here is generally disfavored (toward which, see, e.g., WP:AUTO and WP:COI), principally because it is not unlikely that one, in writing apropos of him/herself or of an individual or group with whom or which he/she is intimately familiar, might (especially avolitionally) contravene our policies and produce an article that suffers encyclopedic deficencies. There are, to be sure, editors who have created or edited articles about themselves or members of their families and done so quite well and successfully, so WP:AUTO and WP:COI are not really construed here as ex ante proscriptions; they do, though, counsel that autobiographical editing be avoided, that an autobiographical editor review his/her work stringently in order to ensure that it well comports with encyclopedic standards, and that he/she refrain from editing autobiographically where another editor has expressed concern about his/her introducing information that is unencyclopedic. In general, I think it might safely be said that if edits properly an article about himself or a family member, the fact of his being (or being related to) the subject will not be plain. All that, though, as you seem well to appreciate, is relative to the English Wikipedia. Whilst each Wikipedia maintains standards as regards content and whilst those standards are often similar across languages, the intricacies of any single Wikipedia may be qualitatively different from those here. You might have success querying one or more of the editors listed at Category:Contributors to the Spanish Wikipedia, who are ostensibly acquainted with policies at both Wikipedias; Buchanan-Hermit and Titoxd, to name two, are admins here who are also active on the Spanish language version. Joe 05:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Leo, that was a great idea. Who can be in a better position than someone that is familiar with both wikipedias (Titoxd and Buchanan-Hermit). I’ll try to contact them. Thanks, regards, --Tasc1 05:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC).

ElKevbo, I am doing something like this in the main page, indicating in an index the progress in the corrections, section by section. But now that I was blocked for one day, it is really discouraging to know that one of the Administrators said that he will erase the article no matter what. Unbelievable to me.--Tasc1 05:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I need something...

Is is possible you could re-load/load back up images File:Moreblah1.gif, File:Moreblah2.gif, File:Moreblah3.gif, File:Blah1.gif, File:Blah2.gif, File:Blah3.gif,

File:Moreblahblah2.gif

, File:Blah4.gif, File:Blah5.gif, File:Blah6.gif, File:Blah7.gif,

File:Blah8.gif

, File:Blah9.gif, File:Blah10.gif, File:Blah11.gif, File:Blah12.gif, File:Lastblah.gif, and File:Blah7.gif? Thanks. --RedPooka 06:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Snap! Is there ANYONE who can view them? Like a super admin or something? Is there anything that can be done? --RedPooka 23:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by developer? The problem is that the place they were located at had an HDD faliure so the origionals were lost. Arrrghhh I once had them on my computer, I got a recovery thing and located them, but they had already been overwritten by other data. --RedPooka 02:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, thanks. By the way, can you look at The Sims: Life Stories, SimCity 5, and The Sims 3 articles? I have a feeling they are gonna get deleted, and if they do, can you simply just clear the pages and lock them to prevent re-creation like a see a lot? the TS3 and SC5 pages have both been re-creating twice, and I bet it will happen many more times (also with the Life Stories article). PEACE :) --RedPooka 04:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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		For consistently beating me to revert pages (mostly Disney Channel pages), I award you this barnstar. Keep up the good work! And leave some of those pages for me, willya! bibliomaniac15 20:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Per above...Good job reverting vandalism and indef blocking that one user. That was the worst vandalism I have seen latly.__Seadog ^♪ 04:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, how does that happen?__Seadog ^♪ 04:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow that sucks that that (to thats in a row) happened to you. On another bizarre note you have the best userpage ever _Seadog ^♪ 04:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep it...The color scheme is very original even though I am a lighter color person my self (obviously) I like what you have done to it. Also I am about 10 edits away from reaching the 1,000 mainspace edit mark, Right now my best friend is the random button mark. Since vandalism is a little slow right now. Cheers!___Seadog ^♪ 04:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...I say go for it and thanks for the advice. I just added lupins filter to my toolbox and I am starting to like it. Also imagine if the Antivandal bot was an actual wikipedian user...I am sure he would probably get 1000 support votes if he/she ran for admin!__Seadog ^♪ 04:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow quite controversial indeed I'd imagine...I would be afraid if it went on a deletion spree.__Seadog ^♪ 04:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess you are right...We would have to protect Jimbo.__Seadog ^♪ 04:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Completely forgot that Jimbo is an admin (kind of obvious though). I myself is trying to earn myself adminship early-mid next year.__Seadog ^♪ 04:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I sure will, if you don't mind add your self here...So I dont forget since It will hopfully be early to mid next year. That way I can work on my weaker areas. I know that a lot of users like to see 3000 edits and 1000 main but I am hoping to have some stats higher than that so I can have a better chance. Thank you...You are one of the kindest admins I have ever met . __Seadog ^♪ 04:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Na, admins are mostly always nice...you are just extra-nice. And I havn't exactly met a lot of admins.__Seadog ^♪ 04:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah you are probably right, usually I try to guide other wikipedians and I also work with a lot of potential admins such as User:Gray Porpoise, User:Llama man and others who I can not think of at this moment. However User:Husond and have worked together I have learned a lot from him. And you!__Seadog ^♪ 05:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I shall and most questions from now on I will ask you here. I am now 5 edits away!___Seadog ^♪ 05:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

For the record I just did my 1000th (main) edit!__Seadog ^♪ 05:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Your message

Re your message: Thank you for the vote of confidence. =) -- Gogo Dodo 22:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

New userpage help

Currently I'm working on a beta for a new userpage of mine (I've really mastered the Wiki-code huh?!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Red_Pooka/UPedit, and I need a assistance. You see that row of boxes to thr right, all of the having that "AAAHHHhhhggghh" thing? Can you join those all together into one BIG box? --RedPooka 05:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

...But there is always the history tab *wink wink*. Are you sure you can't do it? I tried what you said several times and it didn't change anything for some reason. And as said earlier if you did mess it up you/I could just revert it in history. :) --RedPooka 13:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it isn't an urgent issue so I can wait 'til then! :D --RedPooka 20:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

John Cena

Why was my edit to John Cena reverted when it is fully cited?BooyakaDell 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Issues? What issues?

You... you feelin' ok, soldier? :D Master of Puppets ^{The Walrus!} 03:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just wondering how much Wikipedia would've had to twist you to have you warning yourself about vandalism. Multiple personality disorder, anyone? Master of Puppets ^{The Walrus!} 03:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

please note, this user is not in the right frame of mind to edit due to him trying to go see a hockey game but cannot do so154.20.61.157 03:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

First of all, I got tickets already. And secondly, I'm never in the right frame of mind. ;) -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 03:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Crazy Article

Hello! In the Crazy article users have added songs which are titled "Crazy" only. I agree with them. Since I want to add the songs "Let's Go Crazy" and "Crazy You" by Prince & "(You Drive Me) Crazy" by Britney Spears but since the titles of these songs have other words besides "Crazy" I made a "See also" section in the article. The "See also" section was deleted by user "Fritz Saalfeld"; I wrote in the user's talk page my reasons for adding a "See also" section and the user replied in my talk page his point of view. Could you please give me your opinion about this? Thanks!

JediCarlos 19:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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Looks like the goofball who decided to make some creative edits is at it again. :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 08:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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