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Sincerely, scope_creep^Talk (Leave me a message) 21:54, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Joseph Lister

Thanks for the update to the Joseph Lister article. I saw your comment. I know the lede is pretty stonkingingly bad. I wrote i and though it was excellent and then in the interim, months doing research I realised its junk. Its 2 years away from being complete. scope_creep^Talk 21:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry if my comment came across as demeaning; mostly what I was trying to say was that in his most important contribution was recognising the key principle that underlay the change in surgical practice, namely converting a chance observation into a meaningful application of the scientific principles proposed by Louis Pasteur. This was relating Pasteur's germ theory of fermentation to the origin of putrefaction in wounds., I wasn't quite sure what the key principle actually was. Is it that putrefaction in wounds is caused by germs, as predicted by Louis Pasteur? If so, I can simplify the sentences to make that clearer, but I didn't want to take chances when the article's probably receiving a couple hundred pageviews this very moment (Toolforge hasn't listed today's exact statistics yet).

The only other thing I really noticed was Joseph Lister revolutionised the craft of surgery in the same manner that John Hunter revolutionised the science of surgery—it might be good to explain the difference between "craft of surgery" and "science of surgery", especially because I and probably most people have no idea who John Hunter was. Other than that the lead honestly looks okay to me, though, and I think you did a perfectly good job with it. 2603:8001:4542:28FB:A09D:A4A8:8073:9387 (talk) 22:22, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, How goes it. The lead will probably need rewritten about 8 times by the time the article is finished. The the key principle is the bit I'm working on at the moment, that core part that was in the antiseptic paper and its followup paper. I'm still digesting a research paper on germ theory that expains exactly what his key discovery meant. Its been a while since I looked at the lede. Let me take a look. Two seconds. I like the suggestion on the Hunter section in the lede. I thought it was hanging but I know at some point it would incorporated into a bigger block. scope_creep^Talk

Yes that is correct, that putrefaction in wounds is caused by germs. Lister himself didn't know what a germ was until about 1875-1880. scope_creep^Talk 22:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I'll try and fix that John Hunter section. There is commonality there between them, so what is, something in the process of change. I don't know. Its obviously confusing. I'll take a look at it this weekend. I plan start to start back on the article. There was 469 folk look at the page yesterday. Thanks for posting these comment. If you fancy updating please don't let me stop you, or any other part of the article. scope_creep^Talk 23:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

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