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Assignment 4

Assignment 4: One problem that I identified on the Rorschach page was that there could be more information added for his career work. Two sources that I found that could help bolster this article are "Revisiting the Rorschach ink-blots: from iconography and psychology to neuroscience" and "Homosexual signs and heterosexual silences: Rorschach research on male homosexuality from 1921 to 1969".

Then one question I had regarding the article was how much research and information on the Rorschach ink blot test should be included on Hermann Rorschach's page since there could be a separate page for the ink blot test?

First, learn to format so you're not just writing blocks of text.

To answer your question, focus on Rorschach, the person. If information on the text is already covered in the other article, just link to it.

 The other question I had was what would be the best way to go about editing this page since the other user keeps reverting it back to an older version? Is it something that can be solved using the talk page on the article, or is there another way to do it? Morgan.wing (talk) 22:17, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

BTW, don't indent first line. It puts everything in a gray box. Not proper Wikipedia formatting.

Good question. I asked Ian at Wiki Ed previously. I think I sent the answer to your group already. Here it is:

"Looking at the page history of Hermann Rorschach, it looks like Martin removed the additions because they were badly formatted, not because they were inappropriate. It looks like he made quite some changes to the page in 2015, but since then hasn't done a whole lot - just reverting what he sees as problematic additions. It's actually pretty common for someone to simply maintain a page they once had an interest in, and rack up a lot of edits over the years, without actually doing much of anything.

I'd say that they probably shouldn't worry too much."

I would add that you're right, you should contact the editor on the Talk page and ask to work with him to improve the article. J.R. Council (talk) 05:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Assignment 4 and things for us to address in the Hermann Rorschach article

1. Problems are much the same as what I mentioned to Dr. Council on our talk page - it is missing major sections that are indicated on this resource guide, e.g. the lead section is only two lines long, the career section skips around and leaves out chunks of time, there is no clear bibliography section for the work he did publish, and there is no legacy section to give context for how influential the inkblot test became in the 20th century.

2. A question I have is how much info should we be including regarding the inkblot test itself. Since there's already a page on wikipedia I think we need to focus more on impact rather than details of the test itself.

See my responses to you group members regarding this question. The assignment specified 2 questions, BTW. J.R. Council (talk) 05:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

3. Here are some possible references to use

Searls, D. (2018). The inkblots: Hermann Rorschach, his iconic test, and the power of seeing. Broadway Books.

Schott, G. D. (2013). Revisiting the Rorschach ink-blots: from iconography and psychology to neuroscience. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry, jnnp-2013. Towersc (talk) 18:04, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Assignment 5

To-Do List

I will work on other career accomplishments of his. I will focus on what he did while he was there. For example, he was elected vice president (current article says assistant director) of the Swiss psychoanalytic society in 1919. The article says that he also wrote his book but there must be more information on what he did there. Also, many wiki articles have their own section specifically for publications, I can work on this as well.Astuhl (talk) 23:15, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I can be the lead on the Legacy section, to discuss the impact of Rorschach on the field of psychology. I can also add information about his personal/early life in those sections. Towersc (talk) 16:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Outline

Lead section- We will all create our version of the lead section for assignment 6, for now, I think we will leave this alone.

Education and Upbringing- We could find out the extent of his information (Masters/PhD).

We can add more information about his time between high school and university, and how that ambiguous time influenced his desire to study people. There's a good book I have added to the reference list for this. Towersc (talk) 16:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Career- This section can be expanded, more detail can be added. Specifically, more information about his time as the vice president of the IPA.

Personal life- Unfortunately, I feel like this section is as good as it is going to get, without any living descendants there isn't much we can do.

Death- We could look into is death more, I dislike that the writers used the word probably to conclude the reason for his death. I feel like we can figure out if his appendix actually ruptured or not.

Legacy - either as a subsection of death or its own section. We will need to explain how Rorschach's work is still in use today, and how its usage has changed from the original intention. Towersc (talk) 16:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Publications- There is currently nothing here so this will be needed.

Astuhl (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

References

Reference for Rorschach's early/personal life

Searls, D. (2018). The inkblots: Hermann Rorschach, his iconic test, and the power of seeing. Broadway Books.

This has some really rich information about Rorschach's motivations for creating the test and his movements during his life between childhood and the start of his scientific career. It also has some good info about his legacy, which is a section that is missing from the current Wikipedia article. Towersc (talk) 16:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

References for the Legacy section

Wood, J. M., Nezworski, M. T., & Garb, H. N. (2003). What's Right with the Rorschach?. Articles by James M. Wood, Ph. D., 2.

Schott, G. D. (2013). Revisiting the Rorschach ink-blots: from iconography and psychology to neuroscience. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry, jnnp-2013.

These are both necessary for the legacy section. It's important that we establish how this test, and thus Rorschach's crowning achievement, is still relevant today. It will help to justify the existence of the article itself. Towersc (talk) 16:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Assignment 5:

To do list:

Since we are waiting on the lead section, I will focus on adding to the education and upbringing section. I will also look into if there were any contributions later in life since it only has early life and personal life sections so far.

Outline:

I think the outline is the same way as that it is laid out already; lead, education, career, personal life, and death. Then as Alex said, if we can find publications of his, we can add a publication section.

Resources:

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.882.411&rep=rep1&type=pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Hegarty/publication/236771892_Homosexual_Signs_and_Heterosexual_Silences_Rorschach_Research_on_Male_Homosexuality_from_1921_to_1969/links/00b7d52cecfd962893000000/Homosexual-Signs-and-Heterosexual-Silences-Rorschach-Research-on-Male-Homosexuality-from-1921-to-1969.pdf

Morgan.wing (talk) 16:32, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Council's comments on Assignment 5

You guys have made a nice start. Looking forward to seeing how this develops. Some comments:

1. Learning some simple formatting like how to do numbered or bulleted lists would make this easier to orgnize. Click Help in textbox in Edit source mode, or use the visual editor.
2. Combine outlines, make them numbered or bulleted to organize article.
3. I don't see where Crystal or Alex have taken responsibility for specific tasks. J.R. Council (talk) 21:07, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

@James Council:, if you go up to the To-Do List section under the larger, bolded Assignment 5 heading, both Alex and I have taken the lead on different sections. Alex said that he will take lead on fleshing out Rorschach's career and starting the bibliography and I said that I will add to his early life and create the legacy section, which the current article page is missing. Towersc (talk) 23:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Assignment 6

Lead Section - Crystal

Hermann Rorschach (German: ˈhɛrman ˈroːrʃax; 8 November 1884 – 1 April 1922) was a Swiss psychoanalytic psychiatrist. Rorschach was best known for developing a psychological test in which subjects' perceptions of inkblots are recorded and then analyzed, today recognized as the Rorschach Test. Over time, the test has met with varying degrees of challenges to its validity and reliability for diagnosing psychological conditions.⁶ Recently published meta-analyses of the Rorschach test have refuted previous claims of the test being pseudo-scientific in nature.^{7 8} Towersc (talk) 18:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

⁶ Scott O. Lilienfeld, James M. Wood and Howard N. Garb: What's wrong with this picture? Scientific American, May 2001

⁷Mihura, J.L., Meyer, G.J.,Dumitrascu, N., & Bombel, G. (2013). The validity of individual Rorschach variables: Systematic reviews and meta-analyses of the Comprehensive System. Psychological Bulletin, 139(3), 548-603. doi:10.137/a0029406

⁸Mihura, J.L., Meyer, G.J., Bombel, G., & Dumitrascu, N. (2015). Standards, accuracy, and questions of bias in Rorschach meta-analyses: Reply to Wood, Garb, Nezworski, Lilienfeld, and Duke (2015). Psychological Bulletin, 141(1), 250-260. doi:10.1037/a0038445 Towersc (talk) 18:52, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Critique I like that you strayed away from describing the methods of the test in too much detail. Adding the credibility is also a good idea because that is not talked about at all in the original lead section. Maybe add a comment at the end of what the meta-analyses claim the test to be if they discredited them as pseudo-scientific.Astuhl (talk) 21:26, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Critique: I thought this was a good lead section because you noted what he was best known for, without having to go into to deep of depth. I also liked that you discussed a little more of the reliability, and like you commented on mine, I think it is important to note the reviews of the test. Morgan.wing (talk) 19:21, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Council's comments: Since there's already a Wikipedia article on the Rorschach tet, you should like to that rather than describing it in the lead. I'd write a little more about Rorschach himself, but certainly refer to the test as his notable accomplishment. J.R. Council (talk) 21:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Lead Section - Alex

Hermann Rorschach (German: ˈhɛrman ˈroːrʃax; 8 November 1884 – 1 April 1922) was a psychoanalytic psychiatrist from Switzerland. His education in art helped him develop ink-blots that were used, experimentally, to measure various qualities of the subjects being examined during the test. His method was referred to as the Rorschach Test and was used for many years to help identify personality, psychotic, and neurological disorders. The test was simply an interpretation of the responses, based on the patients’ imagination of the images perceived in the ink-blots. Rorschach dedicated his life to this experiment, making it his life project that he worked on, until his death. ¹Astuhl (talk) 21:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

¹Schwarz, W. (1996). Hermann Rorschach, MD: His life and work. Rorschachiana, 21(1), 6-17.Astuhl (talk) 21:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Critique I think this is a pretty good lead section, I feel like you've given a taste of what will be more fleshed out in the actual body sections. For instance, it was good to briefly mention his background in art and how that inspired the creation of the test. I particularly like that you noted the inkblot test was really the summation of his life's work. Maybe we could note that his death was premature as well, without going into detail that it was due to appendicitis. We could also add a line about how the test is still in use today. Towersc (talk) 03:04, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Critique: I also thought this was a very good lead section. I thought you did a good job of briefly covering everything, and like Crystal said, I really like the mentioning of his artistic background. I also liked that you linked to the Rorschach Test, that way we can go into some detail of it, but if someone would want to learn more about the test specifically, they could click the link. I also thought you did a very nice job of briefly summarizing the test itself. Morgan.wing (talk) 19:21, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Council's comments: My comments to Crystal (above) apply here as well. The first three sentences would be fine as the lead. J.R. Council (talk) 21:29, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Lead Section - Morgan

Hermann Rorschach (8 November 1884 - 1 April 1922) was a Swiss psychoanalytic psychiatrist who is most notable for developing what is known as the Rorschach-Test. The Rorschach test is a psychological instrument in which patients look at blots of ink on a blank page and then describe what they saw. He developed this test to analyze how subjects interpreted the ink blots thinking this could give some indication to underlying personality characteristics that they might be less likely to share.  However, through time his test has been subject to criticisms of validity and reliability as a diagnostic tool for psychiatry. Morgan.wing (talk) 17:37, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Huffman, K. (2008), Psychology in Action, John Wiley & Sons, 9th Edition, ISBN 0-470-37911-1

Mihura, J.L., Meyer, G.J.,Dumitrascu, N., & Bombel, G. (2013). The validity of individual Rorschach variables: Systematic reviews and meta-analyses of the Comprehensive System. Psychological Bulletin, 139(3), 548-603. doi:10.137/a0029406 Morgan.wing (talk) 17:37, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Critique This lead sections has some strong features. I like that you've been brief in describing the test, saving that detail for the rest of the article. I also thought it would be a good idea, like you, to mention that the test has faced criticism over time. However, I think you may want to finish that thought with the knowledge a resolution that the most contemporary reviews have affirmed it as a valid test for some disorders. Additionally, it might help to briefly introduce a one or two ideas about Rorschach's life/career outside the test that we can expound upon in body sections of the article. Towersc (talk) 18:36, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Critique Overall, I really like this lead section. I like that you described the Rorschach test in a brief, yet detailed manner. This helps to keep us from talking too much about his ink-blot experiment. I also like that you incorporated criticisms of his work and how it was subject to validity concerns. I agree with Crystal that there could maybe be some more information on other than his famous test. I think we are off to a good start guys!Astuhl (talk) 02:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Council's comments: Again, more about Rorschach himself, and less about the test. Just link to the article on the test. J.R. Council (talk) 21:31, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Assignment 7

Group Lead Section

Hermann Rorschach (German: ˈhɛrman ˈroːrʃax; 8 November 1884 – 1 April 1922) was a psychoanalytic psychiatrist from Switzerland. His education in art help to spur the development of a set of inkblots that were used, experimentally, to measure various qualities of the test subjects being examined. His method has come to be referred to as the Rorschach Test, and has continued to be used over the years to help identify personality, psychotic, and neurological disorders. Rorschach continued to refine the test until his premature death at age 37. Hermann Rorschach lived a short, yet successful, life while influencing the world of psychology ¹.Astuhl (talk) 17:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC) Towersc (talk) 05:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

¹Schwarz, W. (1996). Hermann Rorschach, MD: His life and work. Rorschachiana, 21(1), 6-17.Astuhl (talk) 17:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Council's comment on your group lead: First of all, can someone in your group confirm to me that all of your group contributed to the lead? An email note is fine. As for the lead itself, nice job! The focus is on Rorschach the person, not the test. Formatting and style are correct. I know there's not much biographical material on him, but see what you can dig up. Go back on the history of the article to see if earlier versions have references you haven't found yet. I know that a Wikipedia editor has reverted a number of previous versions. Ian from Wiki Ed told me that format and style were wrong. However, they could still contain good information. Also check German sources. You can find them on Google scholar and then use the translate function to put them into English. J.R. Council (talk) 02:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Ready to go. J.R. Council (talk) 22:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Better get moving on this!

You have a good lead and plenty of additional material. Just need to assemble the main body of the article. I'm surprized you haven't started workikng on this yet, but you've still got a few days. J.R. Council (talk) 19:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hermann Rorschach

Hermann Rorschach
Rorschach in 1921
Born	(1884-11-08)8 November 1884 Zürich, Switzerland
Died	1 April 1922(1922-04-01) (aged 37) Herisau, Switzerland
Nationality (legal)	Swiss
Known for	Rorschach test
Scientific career
Fields	Psychiatry, psychometrics

Hermann Rorschach (German: ˈhɛrman ˈroːrʃax; 8 November 1884 – 1 April 1922) was a psychoanalytic psychiatrist from Switzerland. His education in art help to spur the development of a set of inkblots that were used, experimentally, to measure various qualities of the test subjects being examined. His method has come to be referred to as the Rorschach Test, and has continued to be used over the years to help identify personality, psychotic, and neurological disorders. Rorschach continued to refine the test until his premature death at age 37. Hermann Rorschach lived a short, yet successful, life while influencing the world of psychology

Early life

Rorschach was born in Zürich, Switzerland, the eldest of three children born to Ulrich and Philippine Rorschach. He had one sister named, Anna, and had one brother who was named, Paul. He spent his childhood and youth in Schaffhausen, in northern Switzerland. He was known to his school friends as Klex, or "inkblot" since he enjoyed klecksography, the making of fanciful inkblot "pictures". By the time of Rorschach's youth, consideration of the projective significance of inkblots already had some historical context. For example, in 1857, German doctor Justinus Kerner had published a popular book of poems, each of which was inspired by an accidental inkblot. It has been speculated that the book was known to Rorschach. French psychologist Alfred Binet had also experimented with inkblots as a creativity test. Towersc (talk) 22:19, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Rorschach's father, an art teacher, encouraged him to express himself creatively through painting and drawing conventional pictures. As the time of his high school graduation approached, he could not decide between a career in art and one in science. He wrote a letter to the famous German biologist Ernst Haeckel asking his advice and he suggested science. Another main factor that lead Rorschach to differ from his father and not pursue art was that his father passed away while he was still trying to decide what to study.

Education and career

Hermann Rorschach, in his early years, attended Schaffhausen Kantonaleschule in Schaffhausen, Switzerland. Rorschach was a bright student from the beginning, as he often tutored other students at his school. After Ernst Haeckel suggested a career in science, Rorschach enrolled in medical school at the University of Zurich. While studying, Rorschach began learning Russian, and in 1906, while studying in Berlin, he traveled to Russia for a holiday.Astuhl (talk) 22:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Travel was a large part of his life after medical school, these new adventures led him to new opportunities. On a trip to Dijon, France he met a man that taught him about Russian culture. Torn between the decision to stay in Switzerland or move to Russia, he eventually took a job as first assistant at a Cantonal Mental Hospital. While working at the hospital, Rorschach finished his doctoral dissertation in 1912 under the eminent psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler, who had taught Carl Jung. The excitement in intellectual circles over psychoanalysis constantly reminded Rorschach of his childhood inkblots. Wondering why different people often saw entirely different things in the same inkblots, he began, while still a medical student, showing inkblots to schoolchildren and analyzing their responses. This dissertation contained the origins for his ink blot experiment. Astuhl (talk) 22:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

All the while Rorschach remained fascinated by Russian culture and, in 1913, he obtained a fellowship opportunity in Russia where he continued to study contemporary psychiatric methods. Rorschach spent some time in the city of Kryukovo outside of Moscow and then, in 1914, he returned to Switzerland to work at the Waldau University Hospital in Bern. In 1915, Rorschach took on the position of assistant director at the regional psychiatric hospital at Herisau, and in 1921 he wrote his book Psychodiagnostik, which was to form the basis of the inkblot test. Astuhl (talk) 22:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Personal life

Rorschach graduated in medicine at Zurich in 1909. Later, during his fellowship in Russia, Rorschach met and became engaged to Olga Stempelin, a girl from Kazan (in the present-day Republic of Tatarstan, Russia). The couple were married in 1913 and lived in Russia until their relocation back to Swizterland, for Rorschach's work, in 1915. They had two children, a daughter Elizabeth (called "Lisa", 1917–2006) and a son, Ulrich Wadin (called "Wadim", 1919–2010). Neither Lisa nor Wadim had children, and thus Rorschach had no grandchildren or living descendants.

Death

One year after writing Psychodiagnostik, Rorschach died of peritonitis, probably resulting from a ruptured appendix. He was still associate director of the Herisau Hospital when he died, aged 37, on 1 April 1922.

Legacy

In 2001, the inkblot test was criticised as pseudoscience and its use was declared controversial. In 2013 and 2015 two systemic reviews and meta-analyses were published that resulted in the criticism as pseudoscience to be lifted. In November 2013, Google celebrated the 129th anniversary of Rorschach's birth with a Google Doodle showing an interpretation of his inkblot test. Aside from the MMPI, the Rorschach Inkblot Method has generated more published research than any other psychological personality measure. Towersc (talk) 22:19, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Publications

Rorschach, H. (1924). Manual for Rorschach Ink-blot Test. Chicago, IL: Stoelting.

Rorschach, H., Oberholzer, E. (1924). The Application of the Interpretation of Form to Psychoanalysis. Chicago.

Rorschach, H., Beck, S.J. (1932). The Rorschach Test as Applied to a Feeble-minded Group. New York.

Rorschach, H., Klopfer, B. (1938). Rorschach Research Exchange. New York.

Rorschach, H. (1942). Psychodiagnostics: A diagnostic test based on perception (P. Lemkau & B. Kronenberg, Trans.). Berne, Switzerland: Hans Huber.

Rorschach, H. (1948). Psychodiagnostik (tafeln): Psychodiagnostics (plates). Bern: Hans Huber; distributors for the U.S.A, Grune and Stratton, New York, N.Y.

Towersc (talk) 22:19, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Council's comments

1. Great job on this! I'm sending the link to Ian at Wiki Ed for his comments.
2. Think carefully about how you're going to integrate this new material into the existing article. A certain editor seems to feel some ownership over this.

Please identify who worked on what.

J.R. Council (talk) 20:33, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I worked on the career sectionAstuhl (talk) 17:12, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@James Council: - For assignment 9, I worked on correcting the section heading format, per Ian's advice. I added to the legacy section, fixed/added to the publication section, and added a few citations for some info in the early life/education section. I also corrected our references so that references from the same source aren't being duplicated in our reference section, and all go to the same original reference. Towersc (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Great job! Go ahead and publish. Be sure to follow the directions from Ian that come after #9 in the Bb Assignments page. Also, I notice that you copied in sections of the orginal article on Wikipedia. When you expand this with your additions, DO NOT delete the article and paste in what you've done. Leave the original intact and insert your new sections. Be "surgical". J.R. Council (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)