User:Gonnym/sandbox/infobox2

Unrelated[edit]

For autocat infobox television:

|co_network1= |co_network2=, etc - used for programs which were a co-production or for some reason aired originally on two networks in different countries (but the second one still counting as an original production).

Doctor Who[edit]

The Doctor Who infobox is the only TV series-specific infobox left. All others were deleted except for two which became wrappers of {{Infobox television episode}}.

Summary[edit]

Purpose of the infobox:
- Used on shows related to Doctor Who, including, Doctor Who, K-9 and Company, K-9 (TV series), Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, Class (2016 TV series), Tardisode and a few stand-alone episodes or films.
- Used on single episode (see The Woman Who Fell to Earth), stories (which are two-part episodes - see Revenge of the Slitheen), serials (which are a group of episodes - see An Unearthly Child) and one film (Doctor Who (film)).
Problem:
- This infobox does the opposite of what the project has done with the separation of episodes, seasons and series into their own infobox. In doing so it made it very hard to untangle it and to find how this was actually being used.
- Articles using this are also inconsistent in style and in function from every other episode article which use {{Infobox television episode}}. This does a disservice to our readers and is also somewhat of a barrier in forcing editors to learn a new infobox for no clear value.
Proposed change: Further down I'll break the usage, but for a TL/DR version - most usages should be converted to {{Infobox television episode}}, a few to {{Infobox television season}} and a handful to {{Infobox television}}.

Review[edit]

Unique parameters: |quotes=, |type=, |doctor=, |doctors=, |companion=, |companions=, |cast=, |script_editor=, |executive_producer=, |composer=, |setting=, |missing_eps=, Split date field (|started= or |date= and |ended=).
Parameters named differently: |show= instead of |series= |serial_name= instead of |title= (this isn't used only for serials), |number= instead of |episode=, |series= instead of |series_no= and |season_article=, |preceding= instead of |prev=, |following= instead of |next=, |date= instead of |airdate=.
Missing parameters:
- |story= - which can be used at The Wheel in Space.
- |editor=
- |music=
Inconsistency in usage with all other episode infoboxes:
- |executive_producer= was recently brought up at Template talk:Infobox television episode/Archive 4#Replacing "produced by" credit with executive producer (showrunner) credit and did not gain consensus for that change.
- Main cast in episode infobox has been for a very long time not part of the infobox (which relates to: |doctor=, |doctors=, |companion=, |companions= and |cast=).
- Uses custom colors for the infobox.
- No auto short description.
- No auto italicization of series name in disambiguation.
- No TemplateData.
Inconsistency in style with all other episode infoboxes:
- Lists the total overall episode number instead of the current season number.
- Lists the episode number in the title field.
- Links the |series= to the season article instead of using just the number.
- Does not have the season link placed in the same location as |season_article= does.
- Uses the header "Others" instead of "Guest appearance(s)" for guest credits.
- Uses the label "Length" instead of "Running time".
- Uses the labels "First broadcast" instead of "Original air date".
- Has the cast and production sections in the opposite order.

Changes[edit]

Unique parameters viability breakdown:
- Not needed to be merged:
  - 2 parameters |quotes= and |type=) are used for the sub-header and color of the infobox.
  - 5 parameters |doctor=, |doctors=, |companion=, |companions= and |cast= are used for main cast listing.
  - |executive_producer= does not have consensus to be added per recent discussion.
  - |script_editor= - we don't list all production staff.
  - |setting= - not documented and not used.
- Remaining parameters:
  - |composer= seems a valid addition.
  - |missing_eps= should be added to {{Infobox television season}}.
- Rename to use standard names:
  - |show= to |series= - though it currently has a few letters and will need to change to full name
  - |serial_name= to |title=.
  - |number= to |episode=.
  - |preceding= to |prev=.
  - |following= to |next=.
  - |date= to |airdate=.
  - |started= and |ended= to |first_aired= and |last_aired= in {{Infobox television season}}.
- Special case:
  - |series= has a duel purpose so the number value should be converted to |series_no= and |season= (as the series uses both "series" and "season") and the season link to |season_article=.

Breakdown per series[edit]

Doctor Whohttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006q2x0/episodes/guide
- Series article uses {{Infobox television}}.
- All 38 seasons (Doctor Who (season 1), Doctor Who (series 12)) + 2 specials (Doctor Who (2008–2010 specials), Doctor Who (2013 specials)) have articles; all use {{Infobox television season}}.
- Old series:
  - Articles do not cover episodes, but group of episodes. All 156 articles use {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}}; 155 are marked as "serial", 1 is marked as "episode". The BBC calls these episodes.
  - The multi-episode articles (the serial articles) can use {{Infobox television season}} instead.
- New series:
  - All 150~ episodes have articles. All use {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}}. 148 have the type "episode", 1 has the type "series" (The End of Time (Doctor Who)) but is really just a 2 part episode. "Episodes" can be safely converted to {{Infobox television episode}}, while "serial" should get the |multi_episodes= param added and can be safely converted as well.
K-9 and Company
- Series article uses {{Infobox television}}.
- Only has a pilot episode which doesn't have its own article. Uses {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}} (and has the type "episode") on the same article as the series infobox - two infoboxes are not needed here and are actually duplicating the same parameters. Should just use {{Infobox television}} like any other article.
K-9 (TV series)
- Series article uses {{Infobox television}}.
- No season article.
- 7 out of 26 episodes have articles; all use {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}}. None have a type "episode", but all are episodes. - can be safely converted to {{Infobox television episode}}.
Torchwood
- Series article uses {{Infobox television}}.
- 2 out of 4 seasons have articles; all use {{Infobox television season}}.
- 36 out of 41 episodes have articles; all use {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}} and all have the type "episode" - can be safely converted to {{Infobox television episode}}.
The Sarah Jane Adventures
- Series article uses {{Infobox television}}.
- No season articles.
- All 28 episodes have articles. All use {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}}. 1 has the type "episode" (Invasion of the Bane), 1 has the type "charity special" (From Raxacoricofallapatorius with Love), and the other 26 are split into 13 double episode articles and marked as "story". Both the BBC (which even calls them "double episodes") and Amazon call these episodes. The "episode" and "charity special" can be safely converted to {{Infobox television episode}}, while "story" should get the |multi_episodes= param added and can be converted as well.
Class (2016 TV series)
- Series article uses {{Infobox television}}.
- No season article.
- All 8 episodes have articles; all use {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}} and all have the type "episode" - can be safely converted to {{Infobox television episode}}.
Tardisode
- Series article uses {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}}, but should probably use {{Infobox television}} or {{Infobox television season}} instead. Lost: Missing Pieces, a very similar show and article, uses {{Infobox television}}.
- No season article.
- None of the 13 episodes has an article.
Others
- Doctor Who (film) uses {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}} but should use {{Infobox television}}.
- Dr. Who and the Daleks and Daleks' Invasion Earth 2150 A.D. use {{Infobox film}}.
- Dimensions in Time uses {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}} and has the type of "serial / charity crossover with EastEnders" - can be safely converted to {{Infobox television episode}}.
- Doctor Who: The Curse of Fatal Death uses {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}} and has the type of as "charity special". Since it has 4 episodes this can use {{Infobox television season}} which has a field for number of episodes or {{Infobox television series}} if this is more like Tardisode and its own "show".
- Scream of the Shalka uses {{Infobox Doctor Who episode}} and does not have any type, but the lead calls it a series, so it can use {{Infobox television}} (as {{Infobox flash series}} was merged into it a while back).
- An Adventure in Space and Time uses {{Infobox television}} and should stay as is.
- The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot uses {{Infobox television}} and should stay as is.

Conclusions[edit]

Trivia fields should be discussed if should be kept or not. These aren't the only TV series with a special "thing" happening each episode.
1. Lost could have "Flashback/Flash-Forward/Flash-Sideways", "Character centric" and "Day" fields;
2. Stargate SG-1 can have a "Planets visited" field.
3. Star Trek: The Original Series already use a "Stardate" in their tables, so would want this in the infobox.
|Showrunner= credit from Simpsons is useful for all shows.
|Composer= from Doctor Who is useful for all shows. Currently the |Music= field is being misused for artist only cases (see, Tricks and Treats (Hokey Wolf)).
Main cast should not be included in infobox, as The Goodies and Doctor Who currently do.
Style should be consistent so - Episode and season lists should be removed.
Style should be consistent so - Doctor Who should be split and use the correct infoboxes - for episodes and for seasons.
Doctor Who's unique fields such as |missing_episodes= should be discussed.
1. If |missing_episodes= is to be included, it should probably be included in the season template.
If the Rocky and Bullwinkle template is merged into this one, the |story_arc_no= and |segments_no= param should be added.

Unrelated[edit]

Should |animator= be added? Tricks and Treats (Hokey Wolf) misuses the |Cinematography= field for it.
How to deal with The Huckleberry Hound Show that has separate TV shows as segments. Tricks and Treats (Hokey Wolf) uses both TV series names as the series name.
Add a field for non-numbered episodes or specials. Something like |episode_type= - So Lost: The Journey could get "Clip show", The New Man in Charge could get "Epilogue", etc.
Add a field |segment= (or this could use the |episode_type= option from above) for cases like Donald Trump (Last Week Tonight) and Tobacco (Last Week Tonight) where the article is not about the whole episode, but about a segment of that episode.