Template talk:Colocationwebhost

Update ACC link[edit]

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The link to ACC (http://toolserver.org/~acc/) needs to be updated to https://accounts.wmflabs.org, since the tool has recently moved to Wikimedia Labs. FunPika 02:01, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Little Mountain 5 02:16, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 1 August 2014[edit]

Please change

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Please change | host '''<tt>[http://samspade.org/whois?query={{{host}}} {{{host}}}]</tt>''' to | host '''{{{host}}}''' until a suitable replacement for the defunct "samspade.org/whois" tool can be found. Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 15:00, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 23:04, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 15 November 2016[edit]

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Could someone please wrap the '''Administrators:''' The [[WP:IP block exemption|IP block exemption]] user right should only be applied to allow users to edit using web host in exceptional circumstances, and they should usually be directed to the functionaries team via email. If you intend to give the IPBE user right, a [[WP:CheckUser|CheckUser]] needs to take a look at the account. This can be requested most easily at [[Wikipedia:SPI#Quick CheckUser requests|SPI Quick Checkuser Requests]]. '''Unblocking''' an IP or IP range with this template '''is highly discouraged''' without at least contacting the blocking administrator. part in tags, so that that text doesn't appear for non-admins.

Ppp ery 21:07, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Applied the class — Andy W. (talk) 21:20, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 5 March 2020[edit]

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It might be a minor edit but I have noticed a grammar error in one of the sentences in the block template:

If you are using a Wikipedia account you will need to request an IP block exemption by either using the unblock template or by submitting an appealing using the unblock ticket request system.

What I am requesting is for the sentence to be changed to this:

If you are using a Wikipedia account you will need to request an IP block exemption by either using the unblock template or by submitting an appeal using the unblock ticket request system.

Hx7 20:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hx7:

Done. I do wonder whether that wording is correct, since Wikipedia:IP block exemption says that IPBE for proxies need to be done by checkusers, not UTRS. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 22:06, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To UTRS or not to UTRS[edit]

Wikipedia:IP block exemption says that UTRS should be used to request IPBE when the IP block was placed for vandalism, but for proxy IPs, it says to Email the checkuser team at checkuser-en-wpwikipedia.org ensuring your email includes your username, or contact a CheckUser directly, explaining why you need to edit via anonymous proxies. Since webhosts are considered equivalent to proxies, should the wording of this template be changed to:

If you are using a Wikipedia account, you will need to request an [[Wikipedia:IP block exemption|IP block exemption]] by either emailing the checkuser team at {{nospam|checkuser-en-wp|wikipedia.org}} and ensuring your email includes your username, or contacting a [[Wikipedia:CheckUser#Users with CheckUser permissions|CheckUser]] directly.

--Ahecht (TALK
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Why not just point to the relevant section? If you are using a Wikipedia account, you will need to request an IP block exemption. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:13, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Developing a new tool to display IP addresses[edit]

Pinging @Enterprisey: as someone who know about this: Currently, we refer people from this template to the commercial website whatismyip.com to determine their IP. Could we instead create a simple Toolforge tool to do this? If so, do you know how we might go about this or what kinds of people we should contact? Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 05:26, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

L235, probably wouldn't be too hard to do this (and it might even already exist); wouldn't be possible via a "standard" Toolforge tool, but the WMF/developer-access people would probably know how. Maybe try one of the wikimedia tech-related IRC channels or one of the Flow forums on the wikitech wiki? Enterprisey (talk!) 08:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Enterprisey: I'll ask on Wikitech – you have a link to the Flow forums? Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 21:31, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

L235, I don't want to suggest a place that nobody's watching, but I figure the #wikimedia-cloud ^connect channel would certainly have people who could give feedback, or have further links. Enterprisey (talk!) 01:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Enterprisey: Update: they said it's possible to request an exemption to the Cloud VPS rules for this but we might be better off searching for a service that respects privacy. I've looked briefly but didn't find one. Are you aware of any? Alternatively, Legoktm also suggested doing this as a default-enabled gadget: we can get the IP address from the API endpoint at [1] ("you have to make the request over JSONP, which adds the callback= parameter and does the magic") and populate it into the block template automatically; is that a script that you would be up to writing? Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 06:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure; should be a real quick one. Will probably get to this soon (tm). Enterprisey (talk!) 09:26, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

L235, wrote MediaWiki:Get-user-ip.js. With withJS=MediaWiki:Get-user-ip.js as a URL parameter,  will now be replaced with the user's IP. Enterprisey (talk!) 07:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What is meant here by a "web host"?[edit]

The only use of that term I'm familiar with is a server that hosts a web site. Obviously something else must be meant here, but what? - Jmabel | Talk 18:35, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmabel: That's what it means here too. In broad strokes, cloud computing companies rent out internet-connected computers to anyone who wants to rent them. Usually, people rent these computers (servers) because they want to use them to host websites. But you can also use them to set up a VPN/proxy through which you can edit Wikipedia. That obviously is easily abusable by anyone who wants to sock or edit while blocked. That's why these colocation providers/webhosts are blocked. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 18:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@L235: Thanks. I'm not immediately sure why that would be significantly more vulnerable than any other shared IP address, though.

May I presume this is only ever used for people who are editing anonymously, not for logged-in accounts at such IP addresses? - Jmabel | Talk 19:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmabel: They're more vulnerable than ordinary shared IPs due to convenience and scale. If I were an LTA, I'd maybe have access to an internet connection at home, at work, mobile data on my phone, maybe a couple others. But then it starts becoming much more inconvenient: maybe I can drive to a coffee shop and use the internet there, but that takes me a while to get there and only a short time to block. With VPNs and shared hosting, it's much easier: LTAs can (and have) easily automatically cycle through a practically infinite number of IPs at a very low price. That's why we block them, and those are hard blocks. I'm speaking in kind of vague terms here for WP:BEANS reasons, but I'm happy to share some more specifics privately. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 22:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed decluttering[edit]

I would like to collapse the text on appealing, as it is almost never successful. In the sandbox, I've proposed a revamp (see diff and proposed new version). Absent objection, I plan to implement this change in the next few days. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 18:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See also Template_talk:Webhostblock#Proposed_decluttering. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 18:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm doing this now. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 17:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]