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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:33, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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Cultural governance[edit]

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Created by Groupuscule (talk). Self-nominated at 04:57, 7 July 2017 (UTC).


  • ::*At first glance I found the wording hard to follow until I read it again.
Green tickY*Created on July 2017‎ and nominated on the same day. Meets the requirement for the date of creation and nomination.
Green tickY*Article is written neutrally
Green tickY*Article has 2740 characters, so it's long enough.
Green tickY Hooks are cited inline and verified.
  • This is my first 'real' DYK review and would like another editor check my review. I am not 100% sure I did it correctly.
Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 03:18, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
  • @Barbara (WVS): thanks for your review. If something is hard for you to follow (do you mean the hooks or the article?), you should not pass it without receiving clarification.
  • Your review should also include checks for close paraphrasing, and whether the QPQ was done properly.
  • I read the article through and feel that it is tackling a huge subject with just a few examples. To me, the article reads like WP:SYNTH, cobbling together facts to create an issue. As this is a global phenomenon, why does the article only address UNESCO, the European Union, and China? I added a few "citation needed" tags, especially for the assertion that UNESCO is the "primary actor in global cultural governance".
  • Regarding the hooks, we cannot promote ALT0 to the main page with a link to Agenda 21 for culture, which has a laundry list of cleanup tags at the top. Regarding ALT1, the article doesn't mention "opera", but concert halls. Yoninah (talk) 21:38, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the 'training'! I now have a better idea of what a good review should be. I'll try on another one soon. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 22:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Greetings Barbara and Yoninah. Thank you both for looking over the article.
Barbara: Ideally the article should be easy to read, so if you feel like making comments about what was difficult at first, I will edit with these in mind.
Yoninah: I agree with you that this subject is difficult. I came across it a few times during other research and thought that since I wanted an explanation of "cultural governance" — a term which seems to have gained popularity in the past 15 years or so — other people might as well. I cast a pretty wide net in researching the keyword "cultural governance" and tried to focus on sources that distinguish cultural governance from cultural policy. I am not sure whether there is more "cultural governance" or discussion thereof in UNESCO, the EU, and China, but it certainly seems to me that the literature focuses a lot on these areas. If you have some ideas or articles about other areas which should be covered, then I would like to cover them. Regarding the two places where you added citation needed, I am pretty sure that the next reference (in each case) supports the claim quite directly. I can check on this if you wish and add more footnotes with quotations if that would be more clear. Are these the main points that you consider synthesis or are there other areas to work on? I would like for the article to be good so I appreciate your constructive criticism. Regarding Agenda 21 for culture, some of my sources already cover that topic, and I can find more, so I will try to improve that article as well.
Cheers and happy August, groupuscule (talk) 20:36, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Having tried to understand better, through research, the nature of Agenda 21 for culture, I made some changes to that article which perhaps bring it up to adequacy—see what you think. Also it would be possible to include opera in the cultural governance article, since it is mentioned in the reference (Schmidt 2011). groupuscule (talk) 19:25, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi Groupuscule, sorry for being away from this nomination for a while. I'm very impressed with your rewrite of Agenda 21 for culture—thank you! Back to this article, though, I'm just having trouble understanding it and its (to me) narrow scope at the late hour that I edit Wikipedia. Perhaps we could get another DYK reviewer's opinion on it? I don't see a cite in either sentence following the "citation needed" tags that I added; please add cites where I put the tags. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Hello Yoninah, I have invoked the appropriate sources where you placed citation needed tags, added quotations to support the claims in question, and softened the wording a little in both cases. As I wrote above, the topic is difficult, and all suggestions for improvement are welcome. I suspect that precisely by trying to avoid "synthesis" I have confined the article to sources dealing very explicitly with "cultural governance"—and for this reason the overall piece may seem patchy. I'm glad you thought the improvements to the other article were OK; and thanks for looking in. groupuscule (talk) 18:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
  • I've read through the article. It's definitely a broad and vague article ("cultural governance is governance of culture"), but so is the topic it addresses. Yoninah is right that it is a "huge subject," and though the article could be more comprehensive, it appears to exceed the DYK requirements. I'm approving both hooks (changed "operas" to "concerts" in ALT1 to make it match the article and source), but prefer ALT1. --Usernameunique (talk) 01:24, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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