Talk:Wressle railway station

Platforms

2 platforms? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.8.104.65 (talk) 12:25, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm assuming that you mena "the number of platforms is incorrect: there are 2" - I have checked, and there are two, so I've amended the article. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

1840?

According to Whishaw (1842) [1] or [2] the Hull and Selby stations were:

(quote) Stations. — Besides the terminal, there are eight intermediate stations, which are situate respectively at Cliff, 2*65 miles from Selby; Howden, 8'65 miles; Eastrington, 11-65 miles; Staddlethorpe Broad Lane, 14'65 miles; Brough, 20-65 miles; Ferriby, 23-65 miles; and Hessle, 26'65 miles.

The others match (Staddlethorpe is Gilberdyke)

The station at Cliff [3] appears to have become known as Heminbrough Station (ie OS Map 1891) (Not the same as Cliff Common http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/c/cliff_common/ )

It's not clear why Whishaw would omit Wressle if it existed in 1842. Wressle appears to heve been a smaller place than Cliff in the 1850s (OS map). I don't have a detailed enough map of the area to resolve this - however later maps show they are definately different places..

I just noticed Whishaw says 8 but only lists 7...

Can someone with a source (eg Butt) add the info to the article Hull and Selby Railway#Description of the line or talk page. Thanks. 83.100.174.82 (talk) 21:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Butt gives the opening dates of the above seven stations as 1 July 1840, although four of the names vary: Cliffe [which later became Hemingbrough]; Howden and Bubwith; Eastrington; Staddlethorpe. Cliffe did indeed become Hemingbrough, in 1874; and 100 years later, Staddlethorpe became Gilberdyke. Wressle is also shown (p. 256) as opening 1 July 1840, so this is either an omission by Whishaw, or an incorrect date by Butt. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:35, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I just read this - https://www.sites.google.com/site/hesslelocalhistorysociety/railway/the-railway-comes-to-hessle quote .. On the plan there are no stations shown, although the brochure issued for the opening of the line states that trains will call at seven different stations. ..

ie 7 stations. Probably needs more research - it's odd that Whishaw mentions 8 but lists 7. I would guess that there was not building at Wressle, but trains stopped there, or something along those lines. I'll try to find out.83.100.174.82 (talk) 07:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Tomlinson's The North Eastern Railway: its Rise and Development (1915) says of the opening of the H&SR (pp. 338-9) "past Hessle, Brough, Eastrington, and Wressle, and, crossing the Ouse". --Redrose64 (talk) 08:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

The book "North Eastern Railway Architecture" by Bill Fawcett (3 vols. probably vol.1) is a likely place to have a much fuller answer. I will try to remember to go to a library and look at it - it has more detail on stations etc than the title might suggest.Prof.Haddock (talk) 21:17, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Mmh In List of All Stations of the Railways of Great Britain, Alphabetically Arranged (Smith & Ebbs, 1851) [books.google.co.uk/books?id=syRRqGXlt4IC] it lists:

• Hessle, Selby, Ferriby, Cliff, Staddlethorpe, Brough, Howden, Eastrington (and Hull)

No Wressle (or Wressel) ..

Not listed as a station in Black's picturesque tourist and road and railway guide (1857) [4] , seems to be listed in Bradshaws shilling handbook (v.4 1860) [5].

Maybe between 1857 and 1860 perhaps ? Prof.Haddock (talk) 11:06, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

We need somebody with access to Cobb to check that. Lamberhurst, could you oblige? --Redrose64 (talk) 12:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

It's shown in Cobb (Vol. 1) on p. 399 (x31, y71) as having opened in 1845 as "Wressel Bridge" and renamed as "Wressle" in 1852. There seems however to be some doubt as {{Quick-Stations}} states (p. 439) "1840 July 2. Hull & Selby market trains. These provided the first service for some stations and it is impossible to be certain when these began." Hence, Quick indicates July 2 1840 as a possible opening date, with the comment that the "first certain reference" to it was in July 1843 when it was used on market days only (p. 420). It adds that the station came into "full use" in September 1855. Lamberhurst (talk) 18:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

It's not in the (Eastern Counties) Herald opening report, nor in the official station list for the opening - both from MacTurk's A History of Hull Railways (1879) - all the other 9 stations are noted.

Hull and Selby Railway : 150 years, 1840-1990 Los (1990) - notes the issue but doesn't have an answer. A local history studies publication - seems to have involved some original research, and consultation of original documents. Notes the station's absense from the the company's pre-opening directors reports.

East Yorkshire Railway Stations Tuffrey (2012) uses Quick as a source, so gives 1843 etc.

No luck in Fawcett's NER architecture.

I've updated the article. Convinced the 2 July 1840 opening date is erroneous, but do not have an actual date.Prof.Haddock (talk) 14:15, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

A note The references to a "Wressle Bridge" are interesting. My original theory was that the earliest market day trains did not have any built station to stop at and so might stop at the nearest turnpike crossing (ie at Wressle) - however in contemporary sources the rail bridge over the Derwent is called "Wressle Bridge", and the only nearby crossing was a toll bridge. (about 2 miles there and back)

It's possible that the term "Wressle Bridge" is literal, meaning the train stopped on the bridge, allowing people living on both sides of the river to get a short route to the train. (I vaguely recall similar tales from early railways of trains picking up on bridges, but can't remember where). This is pure speculation.Prof.Haddock (talk) 06:27, 18 June 2014 (UTC)