Talk:Wire wrapped jewelry

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I feel like there could be alot added to this

I just realized how complex this is, because there's so much I could add to this article, and it would still be super incomplete.

It says in the common part basically silver and gold. There is also copper, which is super common. Also, gold filled wire is very common where gold is not very commonly used due to its cost.

And I wonder about the history. Idk. There's alot that could go here. Would love to discuss with someone who worms on this 72.174.137.209 (talk) 23:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

This article does need a lot of work, you're right; the History section has no sources at all. A quick search shows that there are no revisions (edits) to this page where references were removed – sometimes unreliable references are removed, but the content that used that reference stays in place – meaning it's likely always been this way as an article.

A quick look at the Sources section, and a brief visit to archive.is, brings up this source for the history of wire wrapping, which I'm assuming is what the History section is actually based on.

However, if you notice the sentence "if you would like to see some fine examples of Wire-wrapped jewelry, please visit my site: www.wrappedtogo.net!" at the bottom, and follow that URL, what comes up is an e-commerce website. This means that the author of the source likely has a vested interest in writing something that makes their work look good – by painting wire wrapping as an ancient artform that, would you look at that? They're continuing on today!

Even if the information is accurate and good – and there are enough details in the source to go hunting for better sources, to be fair – it isn't a reliable resource for Wikipedia.

We do need to find good sources for this article, but we have to be wary not to use sources from e-commerce websites. Since the above unreliable source gives enough details to go hunting for more, that's what I'll be doing.

One thing I will need to watch out for, and this is a problem we find with articles that have been unsourced for decades, is WP:CITOGENESIS. This is where unsourced, or unreliable, content gets added to Wikipedia, is then used by news or blog article writers to write their own sources, and then, would you look at that – a reliable (well, "reliable") source appears for use that...oh. Just mirrors the original uncited content added to Wikipedia.

However, I think I can avoid this easily; my first port of call will be museum websites, as they will likely have items of wire-wrapped jewellery that genuinely date back to whenever, with the appropriate context and research attached. It should be possible, even if there are a few dangers to avoid.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 11:00, 16 October 2022 (UTC)