Talk:Wilhelm Beier

This page was proposed for deletion by K.e.coffman (talk · contribs) on 24 December 2016 with the comment:
#REDIRECT List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (Ba–Bm) -- pls see Talk
It was contested by Dapi89 (talk · contribs) on 2016-12-24 with the comment:
restored article. Total exceeds All Allied night fighter pilots and all but the highest scoring Allied Aces (less than 10)

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Notability[edit]

Does not meet WP:SOLDIER & sig RS coverage not found link, just passing mentions.

Please also see a note at MilHist Talk Archives for background behind the redirect.

K.e.coffman (talk) 19:44, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it does. Restored article. Total exceeds All Allied night fighter pilots and all but the highest scoring Allied Aces (less than 10). Dapi89 (talk) 12:56, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added the notability tag, as no sources confirming notability of the subject have been presented. "Successful completion of missions" (i.e. enemy airplanes shot down) is not part of WP:SOLDIER.

Fighting conditions were different for the Allies vs the Axis, so comparing the numbers is not relevant. The Western Allies were sending masses of bombers to Germany through much of the war, so the German pilots had a lot more "targets". In addition, they were operating over friendly territory, so they had a much better chance of quickly returning to service if they were shot down. Etc. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:23, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

An opinion by someone who knows very little about the air war. Fighting "conditions" also made it far more likely a German pilot would not survive. And if they were operating over "friendly", or more accurately, German-occupied territory they were vulnerable to death or capture by resistance organisations.

Also you seem to be ignorant of the fact that the British held the technical lead in navigation and radar for a good portion of the war, in 1943, and gain from mid-1944. It was not easy to shoot down large numbers of bombers. In fact, the top scoring pilots made up 2 or 3 percent of the aces. Dapi89 (talk) 06:45, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I restored the redirect. Recent MilHist RfC concluded w/o arriving at a consensus that flying aces should be considered to be notable. Here's the RfC in question: RfC on notability of flying aces. No reliable sources have been presented, apart from personal opinions. The concerns about notability of this subject still stand. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:20, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]