Talk:Wheel of Fortune (tarot card)

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On 11 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Wheel of Fortune (tarot card). The result of the discussion was moved to "tarot" ( 'small t' ).

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I removed the "Examples" section since it was entirely Original Research which Wikipedia does not allow. I left the "mythopoeteic interpretation" section because that may have come from a reputable source but it seems to be something based on personal interpretation like the "Examples" section. - DNewhall

NOTE FOR CHANGE

Winged creatures are in the four corners of the card, a man, an eagle, a bull, and a ram, each with an open book.

The bottom right winged creature is a lion not a ram.

EZEKIEL 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. 70.246.30.248 12:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will not insert a silly joke about buying a vowel. I will not insert a silly joke about buying a vowel. I will not insert... --AceMyth 01:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unverifiable and unbalanced content[edit]

The article is just personal opinions from an occult enthusiast about the nature and meaning of a particular tarot card. No peer reviewed books or journal articles are cited. No references or footnotes are given. When a new statement is added, the source needs to be cited, and the source needs to be verifiable, and reliable. Waite is not an unbiased, factual source on the history or evolution of tarot cards. The work can be cited properly, however: "Waite's opinion in his book The Pictorial Key to the Tarot ... etc" The other sources are completely suspect as to their academic nature.

The card in question has a history of over 500 years in European card games in which it is used as trump card (see Tarocchi). The article is unbalanced in that it only features the recent uses of the card for divination. This makes the article biased due to its recentism. Since the article ignores use of the card for game play in Europe and other parts of the world, it offers an anglo-american perspective that raises NPOV issues. There are academic sources and sources from international organizations discussing the history and evolution of the Wheel of Fortune card (originally shown with men in ascent and descent) as well as its use in games. These need to be utilized. - Parsa 06:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article Re-written[edit]

I've taken the liberty of re-writing this article in response to the copy-edit tag. I will admit from the start that I've done so with the aim of trying to clarify what was being said, rather than of verifying the claims being made. Where the claims have seemed reasonable - such as the notion that the Wheel Of Fortune card represents the occurrence of random events - I haven't done any rigorous searching for sources, and there are a couple of more specific claims as to what this or that might mean that I've tagged as requiring citations. I'm not an occult expert myself - and certainly not in the area of Hebrew mysticism - so I don't really want to overstep the mark and cause more damage than I fix (I may already have done that, but that'll be up to you folks to decide).

With respect to the original author, I've pretty much eviscerated the article as it was, and padded it out a little. I've tried to clarify that the Waite deck isn't the only one in use - and in actual fact, aside from the presence of a wheel of some sort there don't appear to be any particularly universal images on this card between decks. Since the Waite deck is common, though, and since the original author had been speaking exclusively about that deck, I've left in much of the Waite-specific comments because I didn't see any real reason to remove them.

That's it. I've removed the copy-edit tag for the moment - but obviously feel free to reinstate it or revert or re-write again if required. :o) - Shrivenzale 02:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources added[edit]

As I possess a stack of tarot books, I have added some sources and have accordingly removed all the citation tags. I note in the discussion to other Major Arcana there was the suggestion of adding the divinatory meaning according to various luminaries. I have not done this as I fear it would represent a never ending task, but others are welcome to try. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Fool (Tarot card) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 13:33, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]