Talk:What's So Amazing About Grace?

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 15:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Will review this. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 15:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

We typically don't keep citations in lead, they go to the main text. The main text should have all the facts of lead.
- Citations are justified for quotations. It is quotations in the lead I would be more concerned with as they are usually more specific than what an summary should include. I think the Clinton quote is acceptable. The second one could be cut and the last two could be summarized.
  - Done [1]
God chooses to forgive some of the worst people imaginable. Could not understand this
- Modified it I assume your confusion is coming from what "imaginable" is referring to (ie. that God can imagine?)
In 2006, it placed 17th "ranked" 17th?
- Done [2]

Background[edit]

when he went to the White House Could add why he went there.
- Done [3]
What's So Amazing About Grace? is his best-known This part from the caption can be added to the main text with the appropriate source.
- it already is: middle of final paragraph of "Background" section. I don't have access to the reference (Bristol Post) to confirm it though.
The caption of the image of Clinton could be shortened like "Yancey was inspired by Clinton to write the book."
- Agreed. [4]

Content[edit]

Could we add some good quotes from the book, using a quote template?
- I agree, this would be beneficial. This would illustrate the writing style of the book in a way that no summary, adverbs, or adjectives could.
  - Added something [5] from skimming google books preview. I haven't read this book, so there may be better quotes.
Is it necessary to include the story of "Babette's Feast" here? Yancey similarly summarizes Gabriel García Márquez's novel Love in the Time of Cholera This is short and apt for our purpose.
- I edited it a bit but I'm ok with it here. I think it provides an illustrative example of the topic and how Yancey is approaching the topic (through anecdotes and examples).
with the spendthrift child a daughter Is a comma missing?
- Done [6]

Influence[edit]

such as Paul the Apostle, who persecuted Christians Better add this in the lead as well, I could not understand the concept here before looking at the example.
- I clarified this [7]
The Purpose Driven Life is a duplicate link
- Done [8]

Secular media[edit]

Link Shakespearan
- Shakespearean is just a redirect to William Shakespeare which is already linked to in the article.

Public figures[edit]

Searle had become irreligious by 2001 It should be clear which sister you are referring to.
- Done [9]

General: Can the captions be shortened a bit? Never saw such long ones elsewhere.

I shortened some a bit [10] I think the rest are relevant, if a bit long. The John Newton image seems like an unnecessary stretch - i have no objection to its removal.

Rest looks good. The prose is well-written and interesting. Sources fine, no copyvio detected, images nice. These done, I would be glad to promote this. Cheers! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Maclean25: Happy to see someone helping here. I am satisfied with your replies and the changes made till now, please let me know when you are done. Thanks, Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 07:32, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Maclean25: Have you completed your work on this review? Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 13:02, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm done. I've answered your points to the best of my abilities. maclean (talk) 06:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Splendid, you have helped a lot. I believe this article is ready for promotion, the nominator can add more and perhaps better quotes when he returns. Cheers! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:14, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]