Talk:Whalley Range, Manchester

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Does "since the 1990s" mean since 1990 or since 2000?

Merge with Joy Winder[edit]

No independent notability. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abid Chohan. JASpencer 18:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GMB Union Building[edit]

No mention of the GMB Listed building in the Notable Buildings section. I would have added something but I know nothing about it.Aa2-2004 (talk) 08:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have added brief details but more research is needed. Also added today: Manley Park Methodist Church is on Egerton Road North. (Not sure if this is officially in Chorlton.)--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 08:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, ex Whalley Ranger here! Does anyone remember 'the professors' next door to the College (left hand side, as you look down the drive)? I think he may have died in the 50's, but his wife (I think, poss sister or mother even) was a frequent site around the area and of my childhood. She used to wear a scarf all the time and carry plastic bags full of old newspapers! Anyway at the back of the house was a telescope, you used to be able to see it at the very end of Burford Drive.

Sweet Sensation, lead singer Marcel King used to play football with us on St Margarets playing fields.

Was a murder opposite the College in the house on the corner of Dudley Rd and College Rd.

Will try and think of some more stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.2.105 (talk) 15:38, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Church[edit]

No mention of the Odd church on Upper Chorlton Road, driving back to Essex last month, on the right hand side was a church that had half it's spire missing, funnily enough next to the turning for spire hospital, have tried to locate on google street view to no avail, anyone can help me? Halowithhorns89 (talk) 10:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The odd church is the New Testament Church of God in Upper Chorlton Road (corner of Stamford Street) whose congregation is mainly of West Indian origin. It is certainly a much older building and was no doubt a Nonconformist chapel when built. Possibly the spire became unsafe and removal of the upper part was cheaper than repairing it. Spire as the name of the hospital is a very recent change; it was formerly the BUPA Hospital and earlier still St Joseph's.--Felix folio secundus 05:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 04:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Whalley Range → Whalley Range, Greater Manchester — There is another location in Lancashire. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Councillor Bhatti[edit]

In an article in the South Manchester Reporter of 7 July 2011 he is described as a former Conservative councillor. Has there been another person elected to replace him?--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seymour Hotel[edit]

Entirely possible that i'm in error about the pub's history. Seymour Mead was a dominant local houseowner, as he used his considerable influence re the naming of Seymour Grove [Chorlton residents called it Trafford Road, Trafford residents called it Chorlton Road, and there were already extant roads with those names]. That's what led me to believe he was the owner of the house that's visible along part of the rosd's length. In any event, the house was built on a raised piece of ground so as to emphasise it's dominance. Later a mirror-image was added on its eastern side, and this is the building that became the pub. The brick purported to have been struck by the fatal bullet had ablue enamel face, worn but still visible at the time of the building and walls demolition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pawelmichal (talk • contribs) 09:48, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Manley Hall[edit]

The edit by Doc is stylistically correct, but the editor appears to lack the basic manners needed for WP work. 86.12.129.12 (talk) 11:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Victorian snobbery[edit]

Kudos to the editor Felix Folio Secundus for his good work in making my contributions more readable. The point about Victorian snobbery is worth making. It wasn't just Bullock Smithy becoming Hazel Grove; Jackson's Moss became Whalley Range, Withington's Plague Pits became Albert Park [now West Didsbury], Lanes became Groves or Drives, and generally the tone of an area was set by its' nomenclature, a trick still utilised by developers and estate agents today. 86.12.129.12 (talk) 10:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Councillor John Grant[edit]

We appear to have a case of Robert Winston Syndrome here. It is probably best to leave the article as it is, in order to prevent further disruptive editing. We may make mention of the affair in the notes, or leave a link; I await the collective judgement of the editors. 194.70.181.1 (talk) 09:46, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I removed allegations against Grant as a classic violation of our policy regarding living people. This is an article on a settlement, details such as allegations influencing a person's employment do not belong in this article, and the governance section should focus on the facts of who represents Whalley Range. Compounding the problem edit, which sadly lasted for over a year, was the fact that the situation had moved on. Grant was cleared of any wrongdoing following an inquiry, yet this article presented only the allegations. This kind of information is tangential to an article on Whalley Range itself. Nev1 (talk) 13:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In any event, Grant may well either retire or be voted out, in which case his relevance to this page ends. Local politicians have to be exceptional in their actions to warrant a permanent entry in this category of article. To attach all mentions in the Manchester Evening News, including the result of the enquiry into the allegations, would be to exaggerate Grant's importance in the context of this article. A different situation may conceivably arise, if Grant is a sexual predator: then either past behaviour or a future incident may warrant a mention, if only to explain why he ceased to be a councillor, and then only as a note.

It appears that Whalley Range's electorate has made it's mind up, and Grant has been voted out, on a 33.4% poll on 03 May 2012. Since he appears to have no notability other than the scandal, I have removed his name, and replaced with that of the victor.193.63.210.2 (talk) 10:12, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Winston Syndrome is, sadly, a known WP:BLP phenomenon. It is where the subject of an entry, either pseudonymously, or through paid or sympathetic editors, removes all negative content, to the point of creating a hagiography. Since this article is about Whalley Range, and not about Grant, it is perhaps stretching a point. The editor User:Nev1 has made a well-researched and explained edit, and it should be allowed to stand, unless of course circumstances change as outlined above. 193.63.210.175 (talk) 17:21, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

K D Grammar School[edit]

As a Whalley Range resident I couldn't help noticing the absence of any apparent mention of Kassim Darwish Grammar School for Boys in the section on secondary education.

The premises which it occupies (Hartley Hall), between Gowan Road and Brantingham Road, also have an interesting history .. having been initially a Methodist College (as far as I know) and then becoming the home of the Royal Northern College of Music. At the very end of the 1990's the site was split, with the playing fields being sold to Brindle Homes to build the Hartley Hall Gardens gated development, and the buildings being acquired to start the school. The school had a rocky period in relations with the residents of Hartley Hall Gardens when they put in planning proposals to cut down long established trees to make an all weather playing surface (I know, as I was involved in opposing that with my neighbours), although the residents nowadays use the school's library for management meetings on occasions. Most recently, the old accommodation block alongside Brantingham Road has been developed as a student hall of residence.

I hope that's a helpful suggestion. Plainsense (talk) 10:12, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shot drug dealers.[edit]

Re: User:Felix Folio Secundus request for sourcing. I will search the Manchester Evening News for the relevant reports. About 20 years ago an elderly West Indian was shot dead in his house on Grosvenor Road, the police believing it was the robbery of a drug-dealer. Around the Millenium, a well-known gangster was shot dead in the passage at the rear of the TA Centre on Upper Chorlton Road. Shortly afterward, another drug-dealer was fatally shot in the same passage. The two shootings led to the passage being colloquially named after a quote from the Quentin Tarantino film Pulp Fiction. Subsequently, a drug-dealer was shot and wounded after a chase, outside Railway Terrace, on the Chorlton border. More recently, a drug-dealer was shot somewhere between Clarendon Road and Brooklyn Avenue, and was discovered on Stratton Road. He survived. There was also an incident about 10 years ago when a drug gang staged a 'show of strength' in broad daylight around the shops on Withington Road and surrounding streets. I myself witnessed a shooting one evening at those shops, although the reason for the incident was unclear. 212.121.210.45 (talk) 12:31, 28 July 2012 (UTC) There was also a notorious incident in broad daylight outside St. Margaret's School on Withington Road, about 10 years ago. 212.121.210.45 (talk) 16:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whereabouts in Whalley Range?[edit]

According to the Wikipedia articles; 1879–80, 1880–81, 1881–82 Home Nations rugby union matches, 1883, 1885, and 1892 Home Nations Championship the England national rugby union team played a home match in Whalley Range in each of these tournaments. Also, the England national football team (soccer) played Ireland in the 1884–85 British Home Championship. Whereabouts in Whalley Range did these matches take place? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:24, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For reasons that escape me for now, I once looked this up and couldn't even find enough RS for a stub. My notes:
(Page 18) Manchester Football Club, Whalley Range. Private. (Page 70) Kings Road/Ayres Road/St John's Road/Darley Street. City's first fotball club (Rugby). Inglis, Simon (2004). Played in Manchester. London: English Heritage. ISBN 1-87359-278-7.
The ground was actually in Stretford, not Whalley Range. It's on the contemporary OS maps. Mr Stephen (talk) 19:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the prompt reply. Would you know if the the ground in Stretford could be either; Longford Park Stadium, or in Victoria Park, near Stretford Cricket Club, or in the grounds surrounding the St Lawrences Gaelic Football Club? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:46, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's any of them. It was at 53°27′25″N 2°15′50″W / 53.457°N 2.264°W / 53.457; -2.264. Regards, Mr Stephen (talk) 17:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So just to confirm, it has been covered by the residential housing of Milner Street? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:37, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Bits of a few streets, but Milner Street is as good as any. Regards, Mr Stephen (talk) 22:31, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not just streets. The TA Drill Hall and its associated grounds were built on part of the site before the First World War, and for some reason have never given way to development. A Postal Sorting Office and what used to be an ATC centre also now occupy the site. 86.12.129.2 (talk) 11:59, 14 April 2013 (UTC) The boundaries of what was popularly regarded as Whalley Range seem to encompass parts of Old Trafford and Darley Park, prior to the late-Victorian housing developments along the Ayres Road axis. Parts of Chorlton-cum-Hardy seem to similarly pass between the two. Some liminality is part of the popular perception of urban geography. 212.121.210.45 (talk) 13:16, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

JNR8 (pronounced 'generate') Youth & Community Centre[edit]

Situated to the rear of Manley Park Methodist Church, this is possibly the only such Community Centre in the Whalley Range ward. Address: 82 Cromwell Avenue, Whalley Range, Manchester, M16 0BG. 0161 881 3744

Services to the community include: ESOL Classes, IT courses, Work Club, Bright Ideas business start-up workshop, regular events for Youths and the wider community.Ian.workclub (talk) 12:38, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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