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The Russian Wikipedia has little material on the Volga Finns that is worth translating. --Ghirla^-трёп- 14:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Russian sources are welcome, to combine to that information already in hands. But a lot is still missing and every piece of not yet published information in English Wikipedia is worth of transliteration to English. I have collected summary of the information which was published of Volga Finns up to 1939 from Finnish sources and some interesting details was found.

Volga-Kama Finno-Ugrians[edit]

Ar Tatar language name for Udmurt.
Arjaani Old Russian name in 1500´s for Udmurt.
Besermanni or Bessermanni speaking Udmurt language, but of race notable Mongol-Tatar appearence tribe in Viatka river district. Udmurt call them Busurma´nni.
Budin According to Herodotos describtion located to Udmurt.
Burtta originally presumably Vurtta. Most southern of Finno Ugrian tribes. Close contacts with Skyytta (Scythians). (In Russian Skif /Skith).
Ersä or Erza Mordvin tribe.
Handa-hui Ostjakki living on Kama.
Hanti self name for Ostjakki.
Jaran name used by Ostjakki of Nenetsi.
Jugra united name for Obi Ugrians.
Jögra Komi name for Obi Ugrians.
Karatai Tatarized Mordvins living in Kazan Oblast (Kasaanin lääni).
Kumaani, in Old Slavonic name for Kama Permians.
Kozla-Mari (larch or forrest Mari) is the self name for Meadow-Mari which are also called Forest-Mari. Sometime also called "Hard Mari".
Kuruk-Mari (Hill Mari) is selfname for Vuor (Mountain) Mari living south side of Volga. Sometime called also "Soft Mari".
Magyari the name the Hungarians use of themselves, but originally meaning only one of the seven Hungarian tribes, living nearest south of Handa-hui on the south side of Kama and Veher (Belaja) rivers. Moved to Bashkiria. Had connections to Mansi.
Manshi self name for Mansi.
Meri Russian Merja living between Mordva and Vepsä along Volga.
Metserä or Metseri Mordvin heimo (tribe) living north of Ersä and Moksha.
Moksha Mordvin tribe.
Moska Ancient Meri tribe lived along Moskova river.
Mordi Mordva by Jordanes.
Mordzkerl (Man of Men) Mordva in Old Prussian language.
Mortios (Man) Mordva in Old Lithuanian language.
Muromi Mordvin heimo (tribe).
Murdasa Bulgarian name for Mordva.
Odo Mari name for Udmurt.
Onogur or Ongr (Ungr) means ten Hungarian tribes.
Otjani (Otiny) name was used by the Russians for Udmurt, become later Votjani, then Votjak.
Ostjakki-Nenetsi great Netetsi tribe which lived in ancient times on upper source of Kama.
Perma name for Kama Culture. Other versions in different languages; Bermia, Bjarmia, Beorma, Permi, Permu, Perum. In early Novgorodian Annales in 1200s Perem, Perym. later Perma.
Permi combined name for Komi, Komi-Permjakki, and Udmurtti.
Por Mari name in Udmurt.
Sakaliba Arabian name for all Finno Ugrians in Volga-Kama area.
Samojedi general name for all Nenetsi tribes.
Saran Udmurt name for Komi-Permjakki
Sarmys Tsuvassi (Palkar) name for Mari.
Syrjääni in Finnish means Komi.
Terjuhaani Mordva (Ersä) tribe living in Nishnij Novgorod Oblast. Speaks Russian, but continues to use Mordva customs.
Tihveri Karelians Tver Karelians Karelians living in Tver Oblast
Tsherem-mes Meadow Man.
Tsermes Tatar name for Mari.
Tsheremissi Russian name for all Maris.
Udmurt self name for Votjakki.
Ugri Onogur general name for Hanti, Mansi, and Hungarians.
Upo-Mari Eastern Mari living in Bashkiria and western slopes of Urals along Ufa (Uva) River.
Vakul Komi name for Mansi.
Ves Russian name for Vepsä.
Visu Arabian name for Vepsä.
Vitka name for Udmurt living along the Vitka (Viatka) river.
Vjatitsi or Viatitsi name for Udmurt (and other Finnish tribes) living on the upper source of Oka river.
Votjaki Russian name for Udmurt.
Zarmis Kasaari (Khazar) name for Mari.
Yzmö Nenetsi name for Komi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.124.58 (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi everyone, I have recently expanded the section on Muromas, as it was quite limited, and I found a youtube presentation that gives some interesting information about them, but I don't know if it fits to put a youtube video as a source. The video is a lecture by Estonian archaeologist and university professor Ain Mäesalu, so it's not just a random person talking, but an expert in the field. However I don't see any source option like this. Do you think I can use it as "news"? CriticKende (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]