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Userbox

I've seen other colleges with userboxes for graduates or current students. Could someone make a ULL one?--Viridistalk|contributions 21:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

There's already one. It's: {{User UL}} --Matteh (talk) 00:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out. Once again, thanks for your reply!--Viridistalk|contributions 00:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Photos

Hi, I'm planning on taking some photos of the campus sometime this weekend and next week, to replace some of the photos that were previously in the article. I already have a few places I'll going to take pictures of, but I anyone has some specific requests, I'll try to take those as well. --Matteh (talk) 23:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If you still plan to take pictures (four months later, haha), I suggest a wide shot of Cypress Lake and a shot of the housing (Legacy Park).--Viridistalk|contributions 21:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I took a picture like that, but I lost all those pictures in a hard drive crash. I just haven't gotten around to taking new ones. I'll be sure to include those when I have some picture taking time.--Matteh (talk) 00:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that. Thanks for your quick reply!--Viridistalk|contributions 00:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
How about we pull from here?--Viridistalk|contributions 20:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

New Cypress Lake photo

Any objection to the fact that I replaced the alligator picture on the page with a picture of Cypress lake ('The Swamp') from the UL Lafayette site? I also added the picture to the Cypress Lake page.--Viridistalk|contributions 01:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

No objection from me. I like your photo's placement on both pages. Great job! Aaron charles 02:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

The image was deleted. Can anyone tell me why?--Viridistalk|contributions 21:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Looking through Angr's logs, it has that it was for replaceable fair use: 06:06, 1 May 2007 Angr (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:ULLCypressLake.jpg" (I7 (replaceable fair use)). I'm not sure, but the I7 might be referring to Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Images.2Fmedia. --Matteh (talk) 22:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Endowment?

Is it possible for someone to have the information of the endowment that UL recieves, it is a research university so it must have one. Tufts (talk) 16:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Source for 1984 name change?

Please provide a better source for the 1984 name change, if anyone can locate one. Thanks. Aaron charles (talk) 16:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

University seal?

I've found that virtually every university has its university seal shown in the information box. So, could someone upload the seal of UL Lafayette? --Rzhang313 (talk) 11:21, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

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ULL vs UL Lafayette

I see Matteh already edited this out, according to the University Public Relations ULL is NOT a proper use of the UL Lafayette name. DemosDemon 01:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC) The proper name for this school is The University of Louisiana. Similar to the University of Texas at Austin, the University of Louisiana at Lafayette does not accompany the city with the university name. Please stop editing these changes. Refer to Louisiana Legislation reguarding this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjm8461 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

The Louisiana legislature specifically dictates that the name of the university is the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, and is not the University of Louisiana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.68.123 (talk • contribs) 09:20, March 16, 2018 (UTC)

ULL vs UL Lafayette (again)

The proper name for this school is The University of Louisiana. Similar to the University of Texas at Austin, the University of Louisiana at Lafayette does not accompany the city with the university name. Please stop editing these changes. Refer to Louisiana Legislation reguarding this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjm8461 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

First, thanks for posting a comment here instead of continuing to edit war. Edit warring isn't acceptable no matter how correct you (think you) are. Second, it would be very helpful if you could provide some reliable sources supporting your assertion especially since the evidence that is most readily at hand - the university's website - has "University of Louisiana at Lafayette" all over it. It may be helpful to remember that this article is about the Lafayette campus; the University of Louisiana System has its own article. ElKevbo (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Flagship

Is the University of Louisiana at Lafayette the flagship university for the University of Louisiana system? It is the largest.--Ðrdak (T) 18:43, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, there cannot be a flagship university for the University of Louisiana System (http://www.ulsystem.net/assets/docs/searchable/boards/M-%20(2)_name_change_policies.pdf).--Ðrdak (T) 18:50, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

It is the flagship university in the University of Louisiana system. It is also the largest university within that system. The link in the previous response was fake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjm8461 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Please provide evidence supporting your claims. The document referenced above appears to be the only relevant document on the system's website or at least the only one that comes up when I do a search for "flagship" using the website's search engine. That document clearly states that "There shall be no institution designated as the main (primary) campus for the University of Louisiana System. Any designation of or reference to a member institution as 'flagship,' 'lead,' 'main,' or by other similar descriptors is prohibited." ElKevbo (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Louisiana Ragin Cajuns

1. The official name for athletics is the "Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns." In fact, this verbiage is contained in the school's logo, which is featured on the school's Wikipedia page.

http://www.louisiana.edu/about-us/media/proper-use-universitys-name

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UL_Lafayette_Ragin%27_Cajuns_Logo.png


2. This is in keeping with all laws and regulations as implemented by the State of Louisiana in regards to this issue. In summary: state law requires that whenever "University of Louisiana" is used, it must also contain a city designation. There is absolutely nothing prohibiting the use of "Louisiana" singularly.


3. "Louisiana" has been used on all of the school's athletic venues (football, baseball, basketball, etc.) for at least ten years. It is all on all uniforms, programs, etc.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yQgj_efLdi8/VHvWC2WbHXI/AAAAAAAAAB0/l9QByM7VSGQ/s1600/10533543_829910250355417_4381666850860170087_n.png

http://www.ragincajuns.com/images/2015/4/22/rp_primary_04222015ulbaseball339.jpg

You have to ask yourself, is this is 'illegal' or otherwise prohibited, why hasn't anything been done to have the university stop these practices? Over the last 10-15 years?


Given all of the above facts, why are some Wikipedia editors allowed to over-ride this issue?  


Preceding unsigned comment added by Pncomeaux (talk • contribs) 17:53, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Ain't broken, why fix it?

Now somebody wants to change the bullet points on the History section into texts. Why? The purpose of writing is to impart information and the bullet points here do the job very well.

When I worked at a famous national magazine, the editors always tried to find ways to use bullet points instead of dry text paragraphs. Bullets are not only easier to read, they are more likely to be read. The reader sees a short item and reads it. Naturally she goes on to read another one. When the reader sees a fat slab paragraph of grey text, she is less likely to read even one sentence of it.

So let's keep the bullet points as is.

WoodyinNYC (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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University and athletic names

There is a discussion in which you might be interested, regarding the university and athletics names used within the University of Louisiana System, at Talk:University of Louisiana System#University and athletic names. Cheers, UW Dawgs (talk) 15:30, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

viability of UL

@Jhh76: There are disagreement about whether UL can be included in the lead, like:

The University of Louisiana at Lafayette (UL Lafayette, ULL, or UL) is a coeducational, public, research university in Lafayette, in the U.S. state of Louisiana.

We discussed WP:COMMONNAME ad nauseum at Talk:Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns.

However, we use informal names extensively in the leads of university articles in this manner shown above. And "UL" is used, extensively, to informally refer to the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, regardless of any assertions of an "illegal abbreviation," "UL abbreviation isn't accepted," or any wishes of the University:

  • "Hauser Leaving UL Basketball; Marlin to Promote Crow" [1] espn1420, June 17, 2016
  • "UL men’s basketball coach Bob Marlin announced on Thursday that Josten Crow was named assistant coach after spending the 2015-16 season as director of student-athlete development." [2] dailyworld, August 11, 2016
  • "Former UL/STM Standout Keke Veal Heads To Iceland" [3] local ABC, Sep 07, 2016
  • "UL star RB McGuire joins basketball team" [4] klfy, Jan 18, 2016

So what is the nature of the objection? UW Dawgs (talk) 01:26, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

UL was never accepted as a common name in those discussions. The sources you listed are all local Lafayette media sources that have been hounded by ULL fans to drop the second L. Outside of one city, nobody uses that term without reference to Lafayette because everybody knows it's illegal for the university to use UL without the abbreviation for the municipality. It implies UL System flagship status that does not exist. In Louisiana, there is a UL Monroe (ULM), a UL Lafayette (ULL), and a UL System of nine equal universities. There is no UL despite what those in Lafayette want to make people believe. Jhh76 (talk) 02:40, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Nor did I state that it was the WP:COMMONNAME. I stated the lead of university articles use informal names and abbreviations (in parenthesis), outside of the commonname. You agreed that some media use the abbreviation as shown by the citatons, so we're in agreement that it is referred to "UL" by some. I fully understand the multiple institutions and associated politics which have nothing to do with observed usage. Those are invalid reasons to omit or suppress verified usage of a nickname/acronym. UW Dawgs (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
The problem with endorsing 'UL' as an acceptable abbreviation in an encyclopedic article is that it fails to comply with Wikipedia's core policy of WP:NPOV. The Lafayette sources you cited are activist organizations that exert editorial bias to portray ULL as something it is not for their own financial motives. Due to their editorial bias on this issue, the Lafayette news should not be considered to be reliable sources in this case. By leaving off the municipal reference, usage of the 'UL' abbreviation misleads readers into believing that ULL is the 'University of Louisiana'. Editing in misleading content in bold in the lead should be determined to be unacceptable even if biased Lafayette sources use the abbreviation. Jhh76 (talk) 22:53, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
We're not "endorsing" anything; we're reflecting common, established usage (if in fact it is common and established). That's the question. Is "UL" a common name for the University of Louisiana-Lafayette, even if it's not "proper"? Above we have four examples of "UL" provided by ESPN radio, a USA Today affiliated site, and two local TV stations which are, to my eyes, presumptively reliable, neutral third party news sites, not "activist organizations". I suppose more examples would be helpful but this evidence seems, at first blush, to weigh well in favor of keeping "UL". JohnInDC (talk) 21:32, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
'UL' is not used outside of Lafayette; therefore, it is neither common nor established. You are making quite a stretch by trying to attribute those local links to credible national media outlets like ESPN radio and USA Today. Those local sources are neither reliable nor neutral. Local content on that ESPN radio affiliate has nothing to do with ESPN national. If you look at the local radio blog, you'll see that it was written by Jay Walker, the play-by-play voice of ULL who is a name activist employed by ULL, not an unbiased third party journalist. Even though the local newspaper is owned by Gannett (USA Today's parent company), the local content is not published in USA Today. The local newspaper was bullied into dropping the Lafayette designation by fanatic name activists. In fact, the editors of the other Gannett newspapers around Louisiana (Alexandria, Shreveport, Monroe) edit every 'UL' reference to 'UL Lafayette' or 'ULL' whenever they pick up articles written in Lafayette because they have editorial integrity and respect the state university name statute unlike the local media in Lafayette. Additionally, when you look at unbiased, reliable media sources around the country, you will find a dozen more common abbreviations for ULL than 'UL' (Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana Lafayette, La.-Lafayette, LA-Lafayette, LA Lafayette, UL Lafayette, UL-Lafayette, UL-L, UL-Laf, ULL, etc.). Jhh76 (talk) 23:32, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
ULL's own official Facebook page has photos captioned "UL football". https://www.facebook.com/ragincajunsathletics/photos/?tab=album&album_id=10154016089938392 The closer I look the more common references I find to this variant. JohnInDC (talk) 00:17, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
ULL athletics Facebook page is certainly not a reliable, neutral third party website. Jhh76 (talk) 00:26, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps not; but it gives the lie to the assertion that "UL" is nothing more than a weird POV appellation that no one actually uses. The school itself uses it. Maybe it's not supposed to - but there it is. A Google search for "UL football" turns up pages and pages of references to the University of Louisiana-Lafayette (plus a few to Louisville) and while "ULL" may be more common (I didn't check), it's hardly the case that "UL" has just been pulled out of thin air (like, I dunno, "ULa" might be), and it warrants inclusion here. JohnInDC (talk) 01:13, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Nobody said no one uses 'UL' like you are claiming. I said no one outside of Lafayette uses it. Nobody said it was pulled out of thin air. Nobody said "ULa" was used. You are stretching so far. Like I wrote in the previous entry, there are a dozen more common names than 'UL', and I listed some of them. If you want to include 'UL' just on the basis that biased stakeholders (non-NPOV) in Lafayette use an illegal abbreviation which in your opinion makes it 'common', then the dozen other more common abbreviations used by neutral third party organizations should be included. But that would be silly to list a dozen different abbreviations for ULL in the opening sentence of the article. Jhh76 (talk) 01:37, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
It seems we're still in agreement that (at least) the most proximous media coverage to the university refers to it (non-exclusively) as "UL." As does the the Alumni Association, fwiw. The assertion that the local media (including KPEL (AM), KATC (TV), KLFY-TV) are disqualified and must be ignored has not been establish in fact or against WP policy, as we do use these outlets elsewhere in WP without apparent controversy. UW Dawgs (talk) 01:18, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
KPEL, for example, is the activist organization who started the name controversy. Jay Walker of KPEL (the author of the local ESPN blog you linked earlier in this discussion and the Voice of ULL who is unaffiliated with ESPN national) proudly claims that he was the first to ever use the illegal abbreviations for ULL. The local newspaper has also written editorials on why they surrendered their editorial integrity by switching to using 'UL'. Those local media sources you mentioned are all stakeholders who have something to gain (money) by misleading the public that ULL is the University of Louisiana (UL). WP does have NPOV and reliable sources policies that work to prevent editorial bias from misleading Wikipedia's readers. Like I said above, there are a dozen more common abbreviations than 'UL'. If 'UL' is ultimately inserted, then all the other abbreviation variations should be as well. Jhh76 (talk) 01:55, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
These are third party reliable sources which, if your description is accurate, have exercised their own editorial discretion to refer to the school as "UL". Several of these outlets do this, routinely. There's nothing sinister or improper about it that I can see - it looks like petty squabbling to me TBH - and it's not POV for the encyclopedia to reflect this particular usage. JohnInDC (talk) 02:19, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
What's sinister and improper is that ULL endorses illegal abbreviations that serve to imply false flagship status and to undermine stakeholders of every other university in Louisiana. The state law that allowed USL to change their name to ULL explicitly prohibits the 'UL' abbreviation. The UL System policy manual also explicitly prohibits the 'UL' abbreviation. It's not petty, but it is certainly sinister and improper. Jhh76 (talk) 04:05, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
You are welcome and encouraged to offer support (such as links) for your statements, as that is why we are here and discussing. Simply repeating the substance of the objection doesn't support it in a manner which can be reviewed and discussed. UW Dawgs (talk) 02:24, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
I described this above as a "petty squabble" and after looking into it a bit, I think that's about right. Search on "UL ULL naming louisiana lafayette" and you'll find a ton of links about the back and forth on it, including http://ianmcgibboney.blogspot.com/2011/12/ul-name-game.html , http://kpel965.com/university-of-louisiana-naming-debate/ ,http://kpel965.com/in-athletics-cajuns-have-the-right-to-say-we-are-louisiana-from-the-birds-nest/ (same outlet as prior), and http://www.underdogdynasty.com/sun-belt-conference/2014/9/10/6108909/louisiana-ragin-cajuns-whats-in-a-name . I don't present these as reliable sources but rather just commentary from various places about why that a simple "L" seems to work so many up into a lather. In the end it seems that reasonable people can differ on what's proper or correct, local Lafayette media have thrown in their lot with "UL", and use the phrase routinely; and not to include it would seem to be picking sides ourselves. Others' points of view solicited, of course - JohnInDC (talk) 02:41, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
It's important to note that all four links you presented were authored by ULL stakeholders. Another note, if we do ultimately include the illegal 'UL' abbreviation that's only used in Lafayette, then we must also include the dozen or so other more common abbreviations used by unbiased statewide and national media (Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana Lafayette, La.-Lafayette, LA-Lafayette, LA Lafayette, UL Lafayette, UL-Lafayette, UL-L, UL-Laf, ULL, LaLaf, etc.). And I think we can all agree that would silly. Jhh76 (talk) 04:19, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
No, it would be POINTy.
We're talking past each other here. I say they do use the abbreviation; you say they shouldn't. Only the first matters. The question is, "is the usage of 'UL' by reliable Lafayette media, and the school itself on occasion, sufficient to support mention of the abbreviation in the lead". Above I said that not to include it would be picking sides. I have to clarify to say that if this local usage is sufficient to include it, then not including it would be picking sides. Now I think we should hear from other editors who may have views on the matter. JohnInDC (talk) 11:22, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous and is way out of hand. Google news shows more for UL articles for Lafayette, not any other school. If we don't include it, someone will be pissed off that is isn't included, if we do include it, someone will be pissed off that it isn't included. So, why not just remove all nicknames/abbreviations from this article? This way, nobody is edit-warring over a silly thing like this. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 13:17, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

I think you are right. With ULL, UL, or any of the dozen or so other common abbreviations, this article will be a constant edit war. I think the best solution is to leave it as it was before with simply 'UL Lafayette'. That's the abbreviation that the university officially endorses, and I think all parties can accept that as the lone acceptable common abbreviation. Jhh76 (talk) 06:01, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, there are a lot of words obscuring one simple issue here. I'm happy to do whatever ends the back-and-forth. Your observation about Google is further illustration of the common-ness of "UL" as an abbreviation for this school; but "none" is fine with me too. JohnInDC (talk) 13:44, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
It appears there there is also disagreement about whether "ULL" may appropriately be included in the lead, with or without "UL". I've made the case above that "UL" seems to be / may be in sufficiently widespread use to include, but that's kind of an open issue. ULL however seems to be everywhere, so I'd be interested in arguments why it shouldn't be included as a common referent for the school (arguments that take a form other than "it's illegal" or "it violates this-or-that official policy"). Please stick to the issue of whether it's a common descriptor, and, if so, whether it is sufficiently so to merit inclusion here. Or I suppose, no abbreviations at all. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 00:02, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
None is fine with me. That's how the page has long been. Neither UL or ULL are used by the university. Aaron charles (talk) 00:04, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps not but many reliable third party sources appear to: http://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/news/education/article_efd883a0-df8a-5dd8-8adb-df8bba918c4d.html , http://www.gsutigers.com/news/2015/9/27/WSOC_0927151534.aspx , http://www.astateredwolves.com/PhotoAlbum.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7200&PALBID=1848858 , http://www.txstatebobcats.com/news/2016/5/26/baseball-bobcats-to-face-no-1-ull-friday.aspx?path=baseball all being examples. JohnInDC (talk) 00:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
There are reliable third-party sources that refer to the University of Louisville as UL instead of their preferred "UofL" or LSU as "Louisiana State" (which they hate). I suggest we stay with each university's preference as Wikipedia typically does. Aaron charles (talk) 00:57, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Comment Regardless of your support or opposition to any of the terms which are being discussed, merely relaying your good-faith understanding of facts or typing an opinion does not address the policy of WP:V. UW Dawgs (talk) 01:03, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
  • WP:COMMONNAME applies here, Aaron, and the "university preference" is not always the common name like the ones you've stated above for the other institutions. We aren't run by the universities, and never will be. Therefore, their preference doesn't apply here. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 01:16, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
So then, based on the initial discussion, with the Google search, then both could be there. Using UT Austin as an example (in which the Wikipedia citation on abvreviation is the University's brand page), here's a congruent option: The University of Louisiana at Lafayette, informally UL, ULL, or UL Lafayett[#] or Louisiana in sports contexts[#]...
Usage is not limited to athletics, as already shown, and per:
"UL Professor dies at Cite des Arts performance" katc.com
"Rapper Lil Wayne will perform at UL next month. ... Rapper Lil Wayne will perform at UL next month. ... The UL project which one the contest was accomplished by the Zeta Xi Chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity" katc.com
"UL Celebrates Earth Day on Friday ... UL has had an eventful week leading up to Earth Day revolving around the environment." klfy.com
Is there any WP:V and WP:RS reason to not adopt the change as proposed at top? UW Dawgs (talk) 02:03, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Sorry about that. You are correct that it's not limited to athletics. It should have a comma before and after the Louisiana reference: The University of Louisiana at Lafayette, informally UL, ULL, or UL Lafayette[#], or Louisiana in sports contexts[#],... Aaron charles (talk) 02:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
There's no doubt that a Google News search for 'UL' will turn up articles for ULL because that's how most of the locally biased journalists refer to ULL. However, I think it's important to view those references and articles with context. No other markets in Louisiana or in the United States recognize 'UL' as an abbreviation for ULL, and therefore, I don't think anyone can claim that 'UL' is a common or established abbreviation. There's a big difference between 'UL' and 'UT'. Reliable sources outside of Austin recognize 'UT' as the University of Texas, but reliable sources outside of Lafayette do not recognize 'UL' as ULL. Jhh76 (talk) 05:35, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the discussion is going to advance if we keep circling back to "biased", "activist", "misleading" or "illegal" use of the term UL by Lafayette media. JohnInDC (talk) 10:31, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Consensus (WP:NOTUNANIMITY) As a group we appear to remain in agreement that "UL" is used to describe the university, in both sports and holistic contexts. There is some disagreement about some of the sources used to establish this, but many of the exclusionary arguments advance that viewpoint without offering any supporting WP:RS materials for review within this discussion. So the current consensus is that "UL" is a valid and non-exclusive term used to reference the university. Therefore the WP:LEAD has been updated as was proposed. Dissenting editors are welcome to offer WP:RS content in order to change this current consensus or pursue change(s) via other community-based methods, but lets collectively work to avoid the return of the edit warring. UW Dawgs (talk) 04:13, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

"University of Louisiana" and similar in lede

@Cdman882, ElKevbo, and Frank042316:

There is ongoing edit warring around text removal from the WP:LEDE. The related topic in context to athletics has been extensively discussed at Talk:Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns. Thoughts and citations? UW Dawgs (talk) 22:15, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Really? This topic has been debated to death. See the “ viability of UL” section which deals explicitly about the name....both in an athletic sense as well as academic.....and a consensus was reached on lead in. Nothing at all has changed from 5 years ago until today. As it stands now it is perfectly fine, and within the confines of that consensus. No further discussion is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank042316 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
University of Louisiana is not a recognized name for this institution. The school does not recognize it. The school system does not recognize it. The only people who claim it are biased alumni, fans, and local media. It should not be included on the Wikipedia page as it is biased. Cdman882 (talk) 00:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
The Louisiana State Legislature itself does not even recognizee it, in Act 45. Cdman882 (talk) 00:17, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
1. Again, and what several people today have tried to explain to cd guy, is that Wikipedia does not rely on what an entity wants or does not want to call themselves. Nor do any ‘state laws,’ etc. have any relevance in this issue. Names, lead in-ins, etc. are determined by Wikipedia standards. Period.
2. Again, this whole issue was debated thoroughly 5 years ago, and a consensus was reached.
3. Nothing has changed to modify that consensus.
4. The article as it it exists at this time is within that consensus and should remain as such. Frank042316 (talk)
A few final things on this subject from "cd guy":
1. As a person who holds a Master’s Degree in Library and Information Science, I am surprised at what Wikipedia editors and administrators allow to pass as scholarly edits. It’s why Wikipedia will never be accepted as a primary source. The changes made to this article, being controversial, are not even cited.
2. No one, who actually took the time to look into it, especially in the academic sense, would ever call the University of Louisiana at Lafayette simply, the “University of Louisiana.” That’s what their fans do. Scholarly articles, the state, the school itself [5], don’t even call it as such. And, to say that we aren’t going by what the school calls itself [6], is preposterous. The whole reason why there is a debate is because UL Lafayette did a great job rebranding their sports teams as “Louisiana.” “Louisiana” is what the school called themselves, in the Sun Belt media guide, after ULM finally gave up the dispute.[7]
3. The only reason “University of Louisiana” is on this article is because of an edit Frank042316 made in November 2019.[8] He claims that a consensus was reached five years ago at [9]. There is no consensus reached in that Talk section that the article should use “University of Louisiana,” possibly UL, but not “University of Louisiana.”
4. “UL Lafayette tried unsuccessfully to change its name to the “University of Louisiana” twice before – in 1984 and 1995. The latter attempt led to the adoption of Act 45 that year.” [10] They still haven’t successfully changed it, except on Wikipedia.
5. “UL Lafayette has attempted to brand its athletic department as “Louisiana” and “UL” over the last several years by semantically dancing around Act 45 of the Louisiana State Legislature, which prohibits by law any UL System institution from using the “UL” acronym or the name “University of Louisiana” for ‘academic, public relations, athletic, as well as other purposes not specified.’” [11]
6. If media outlets are using “University of Louisiana” or “UL” to refer to UL Lafayette, they are uniformed and are assuming, due to the confusing “Louisiana” athletics rebrand. The media believe that “Louisiana” is short for the University’s name, much like Michigan, Oklahoma, or Texas. It is indeed not. Leaving it on top of the Wikipedia article only adds to this confusion.
7. Allowing misinformation like this to stay on an article makes it where users cannot trust Wikipedia to provide accurate information.
Cdman882 (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
6. If media outlets are using “University of Louisiana” or “UL” to refer to UL Lafayette it probably belongs in the first sentence per MOS:BOLDSYN and already seen at University of Louisiana. UW Dawgs (talk) 22:35, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
So, rather than present the facts, like a scholarly article, or a real encyclopedia, Wikipedia exists to reinforce the uninformed ignorance? When someone goes to an encyclopedia for information, they are attempting to learn the true facts. But, I digress. Wikipedia will never be scholarly nor taken seriously. Cdman882 (talk) 17:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


I was not going to respond to this, in partial hopes that it would just go away, but since that is not happening I cannot sit by with so many non-factual and biased statements that have been recently made. Here are some highlights that I feel must be stated for the record:
1. Credentials of Wikipedia editors are irrelevant.
2. “No one, who actually took the time to look into it, especially in the academic sense, would ever call the University of Louisiana at Lafayette simply, the ‘University of Louisiana.’” This seems like an extremely biased, unsourced, POV opinion. If nothing else, there have been numerous examples posted in previous sections of this Talk Page where various media outlets, google searches, etc., all prove that the university is referred to in just those terms.
3. What is ‘correct’ or ‘legal’ (neither of which have been conclusively proven in this current section), according to an editor, is totally irrelevant. Also, what the entity wants or does not want to be called is irrrelevant.
4. “If media outlets are using “University of Louisiana” or “UL” to refer to UL Lafayette, they are uniformed (sp) and are assuming, due to the confusing “Louisiana” athletics rebrand.” It is also irrelevant how many times the university has tried to change its name, whether those attempts are ‘correct’ or not, or whether these attempts were successful or not. These statements once again do nothing but further point to the editor’s biased POV in this matter.
5. I am also pretty certain that how highly/lowly editors think of Wikipedia in general is also pretty irrelevant in this discussion.
I think the following documents might help the editor in question when determining future edits:
Finally, why is it when someone says this is a few "final things," you can bet it won't be??

Frank042316 (talk) 10:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Considering your history with editing ULL articles, and being called out [12], [13], I don't think I'm the one who should be labeled as having a "biased POV." You're way too close to this situation and only want to have your opinion heard, regardless of if it is correct or not. That's fairly evident.
Finally, why is it when someone says this is a few "final things," you can bet it won't be?? And maybe someone's final words would be final if someone like you didn't constantly poke at them?
If anything came from this, at least you learned to sign your posts [14].
Cdman882 (talk) 21:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
As an aside, ULL's sports teams are officially known as the Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns, so if we use the university's name, and the sports team's name, they would be the Louisiana Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns. Talk about confusing branding. Cdman882 (talk) 21:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


Well, here we go again with personal insults, not only against fellow editors, but also the entities of the articles. I admit to past mistakes, but take pride in what I have learned from them. Something that other editors do not seem to be able to do.
Firstly, as had been pointed out numerous times, by numerous editors, what an entity wants to call or brand themselves has nothing to do with how an article is written in Wikipedia. That is a point that some editors seem unable to grasp. Further, editor’s opinions about what constitutes good branding techniques or not are not only irrelevant, but snide remarks in expressing these beliefs only further add to obvious personal bias towards an article/entity.
Secondly, the personal attack against the entity is not even correct: the school’s name is UL Lafayette. Its brand for athletics is “Louisiana” and its nickname is the “Ragin Cajuns.” If you want to add the name of the school and brand it would be UL Lafayette Louisiana Ragin Cajuns. So no matter how you slice it, ‘Louisiana Louisiana Ragin Cajuns’ is nonsensical and not based on facts, and just a biased attack towards the school.
Finally, assuming that this is truly a ‘branding’ error, there are sure a whole lot of other schools doing the exact same thing. Here are just a couple of examples:
Texas: the school’s name is UT Austin, they are known (branded) as Texas, and their nickname is “Longhorns.’ If you apply the same standard as the editor in question has done to UL, that would make them the Texas Texas Longhorns.
Michigan: the school’s name is University of Michigan, they are known (branded) as ‘Michigan’, and their nickname is “Wolverines.’ If you apply the same standard as the editor in question has done to UL, that would make them the Michigan Michigan Wolverines.
Just for comparison’s sake, here are links to the wiki articles for those 2 schools. Please note 2 very obvious things:
1) They are listed exactly like the Louisiana article, and
2) the editor in question has not deemed it necessary to carry on this ‘bad branding’ attack on either of these schools, or any of the dozens of other schools that fit this same bill. This is because his attack against UL is not based on facts or reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Longhorns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Wolverines
Frank042316 (talk) 19:41, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Section 'Student life' needs editing.

I don't think 'Majority of International students pursue their masters education in petroleum,Computer Science.' is right. Whatever it means, 'International students' is wrong: replace it with 'foreign students'. 'Foreign' is not a swear word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.162.11 (talk) 21:06, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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New thread on naming

Please refer to this link for proper use of the university’s name. https://louisiana.edu/about-us/media/proper-use-universitys-name Cjm8461 (talk) 00:17, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I cannot believe that this is being brought up, yet again.
what an entity would like to call itself is completely and totally irrelevant to how it is determined that an article will referred to on Wikipedia. Please read through this talk page as this fact is discussed NUMEROUS times. A consensus was finally agreed to and nothing has changed that would impact this. Frank042316 (talk)

Frank042316 I don’t think anything has really changed, this talk section was from back in 2018. In players info boxes (for the most part,) it appears to read “Louisiana” as it should. There may be a few strays, but it seems like compliance has been pretty good. Spf121188 (talk) 02:33, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Spf121188What I was referring to was that Cjm8461 posted on 2/7/22, yet again, how the school wishes to be referred to. Prior to that, that same editor had removed lead-in verbiage in the main article to support this position. Another editor had reverted that edit, and referred him to this talk page. I was therefore responding to his apparent push here to support his stance, pointing out that this matter has been debated as nauseam, and a consensus reached years ago. Nothing has changed since that consensus was reached, so my point is no further discussion is warranted.Frank042316 (talk)

I don’t understand why there is such a big push back from the editors on this site to change the name to what the university wants to be called especially when the said university has a specific page for it. Cjm8461 (talk) 12:48, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Cjm8461, As Frank042316 points out, this topic has been exhaustively debated. Unless you can provide, reliable, strong secondary sources to support changes you want made, There's no need for further conversation on it. If I were you, I'd let this go. Spf121188 (talk) 13:46, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

“Let it go”? No. You and your guy Elkevbo want to dictate the names on a page, yet you don’t provide any sources to validate your reason for the decision. Cjm8461 (talk) 14:04, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Cjm8461, first of all, I've never had interaction with ElKevbo. Second, as has been mentioned on this talk page several times, the name of this school as it is shown on the article space is exactly how it should be, per numerous discussions on this talk page where users gained consensus. If you want it changed, the burden is on you to come up with reliable sources, or try to somehow gain new consensus. Spf121188 (talk) 14:08, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

So users of this page have more authority to dictate the information on a specific page rather than the institution itself? This is a damn kangaroo court. Cjm8461 (talk) 14:18, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

well, it’s not just users of this page. There is a well established policy on how naming of articles is determined:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Use_commonly_recognizable_names
Frank042316 (talk)
Yes, the volunteer editors who work in this project determine its content and structure. The subject of an article does not control it. An encyclopedia that allows subjects to control the article(s) about them cannot be one that is neutral and accurate. This is an unwieldy project with (perhaps unrealistic) lofty aims but allowing subjects to control their article(s) would ensure that this becomes a collection of press releases and advertisements. ElKevbo (talk) 22:33, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
  • I have taken a liberty to refactor this discussion slightly. I moved these above recent comments out of the 2018 thread and created a new thread here for a current discussion. BusterD (talk) 23:45, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2022

Change: Type Public flagship research university to Type Public research university 129.107.21.160 (talk) 20:56, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:35, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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