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Not moved, 31 August 2021, from 2020–2021 United States racial unrest to 2020-2021 United States civil unrest, see discussion.
Speedy moved, 3 January 2023, from 2020–2023 United States racial unrest to 2020–2022 United States racial unrest, see discussion.
Moved, 8 February 2023, from 2020–2022 United States racial unrest to 2020–2023 United States racial unrest, see discussion.
Moved, 21 July 2023, from 2020–2023 United States racial unrest to United States racial unrest (2020–present), see discussion.

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Inaccurate casualty count[edit]

What reason is there for the number of casualties to be limited to the initial months of the protests? The killings of Aaron Danielson, Michael Reinoehl, Lee Kelter, Manuel Terán, and Brandy Knightly all occurred after the May 26th to June 8th window provided in the article. Bill3602 (talk) 19:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a more through explanation so citations and/or location within article for your count can be seen. Cheers, Fettlemap (talk) 13:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 July 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. WP:BARTENDER. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 20:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2020–2023 United States racial unrest → United States racial unrest (2020–present) – The current title makes it seem like the protests have ended, when they haven’t really ended. ~~WikipedianRevolutionary (talk)~~ 15:02, 21 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Heart ^(talk) 02:16, 29 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 14:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator was blocked as a sockpuppet. S.L. 17:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will say what I said in 2020, at some point, they will not be the same protests but a different set about the same issue, which has been an issue for 200 years. Slatersteven (talk) 15:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Protests before 2020 weren’t so big compared to those in 2023, and they haven’t ended officially. WikipedianRevolutionary (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2023 (UTC)~~ Blocked sock. S.L. 17:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Having dates at the beginning of an article is worse for search and indexing. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:02, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Parham wiki (talk) 20:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Partially support. I believe it would be better to have the dates be at the end, but I don't think it should say it's still happening in the present because it wasn't as big of a deal as it once was. Ulysses Grant Official (talk) 20:11, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Partially Support. I would agree if the unrest is ongoing, the title should say present. But the Nationwide unrest is a rare incident now a days, and this article is mainly about the George Floyd protests and other incidents at the time. In my opinion, I think the Nationwide protests ended a while ago when the Tyre Nichols protests happened. SpringField23402 (talk) 15:40, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Consensus to change disambiguation format. Further discussion needed to determine whether "2020–2023" or "2020–present" should be used. BilledMammal (talk) 14:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support even the infobox says that its still ongoing Michael H (talk) 20:08, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, But. While I agree with the change of the Date, I think it should be "2020–Present United States racial unrest" instead. Qutlooker (talk) 03:56, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~For indexing and searching reasons, having the date at the beginning is not a good idea. WikipedianRevolutionary (talk) 06:31, 6 August 2023 (UTC)~~ Blocked sock. S.L. 17:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Say that to the People who manage the Election Articles then. Just saying. Qutlooker (talk) 04:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - There is data to suggest that public interest/discussion of racial unrest / civil unrest more broadly in the United States is elevated for the 2020-2023 period and that elevation of interest has yet returned to baseline levels. This can be seen in several ways. First, Google Trends for 'Civil Disorder', 'Racial Unrest' and similar terms for both Search and News show the trend of activity and discussion. Second, hate crime statistics related to race in the United States, specifically against black Americans, have continued to spike and were 27% higher than in 2020. This shows a clear continuation of the underlying racial unrest, with 2020 as a starting point for the significant spike but 2023 not representing an end point. Third, since beginning monitoring in 2020, the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (and their collaboration with Princeton University) has continued to document significant numbers of ongoing events that are related to racial unrest and conflict well into the present day. Wispinn (talk) 11:15, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should the January 6th insurrection and the Montgomery Riverfront brawl be included?[edit]

The January 6th riot, in some interpretations, can be seen as having a "racial" element on account of the heavy presence of White nationalists and associated factions. The Montgomery fight, though something rather minor, also very much had racial undertones (Blacks fighting Whites), and received widespread media coverage. NocheLluviosa (talk) 03:45, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jan 6th was excluded a long time ago. But I think there should be a Discussion before adding the Montgomery Brawl. Qutlooker (talk) 05:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ended[edit]

This era of national unrest ended a long time ago..... 2 years at least, It's time to put that in the article. I think it's common sense to say it ended. Bzik2324 (talk) 19:41, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, there was very clearly a distinct era of unrest, c. 2020, that this article should cover. Not every racial justice protest that pops up occasionally merits a continued elongation of the article's timespan. Evaporation123 (talk) 06:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fully agreed. There needs to be a serious discussion about this. We're almost halfway through 2024 and this article wasn't updated to justify the supposed "ongoing" status. Examples added in 2022 and 2023 were quite a stretch and represented local/statewide protests rather than part of a national movement like the 2020-2021 ones. To add insult to injury, discussion that caused this article to be kept as "ongoing" was initiated by a sockpuppet of a now-blocked user. The national unrest took place in 2020-2021 and the article needs to reflect that at once. DannyC55 (Talk) 02:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it absurdly makes it sound like wildly violent mass riots have been going on non stop across the country for nearly the past 4 years since Floyd was killed. Bzik2324 (talk) 02:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The nationwide unrest ended a long time ago, and the events after that have been state wide. This article hasn't been touched since the end of the George Floyd protests and I think it should have been worked on since then. SpringField23402 (talk) 13:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, so how do we do this? Bzik2324 (talk) 02:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to timelines in the article, the nationwide unrest ended sometime in mid-2022. We need permission if were going to change the date in the info box. SpringField23402 (talk) 21:53, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Permission from who? Evaporation123 (talk) 21:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of the original editors of this article. I don't know if they're still on here or not. But right now, we need research if we're going to fix this outdated article. SpringField23402 (talk) 22:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the main thing right now is where to cut off the article. There was clearly a distinct era of unrest that kind of phased out by the end of summer 2020 if I recall correctly. And it may be difficult to find sources that provide clear start and end dates. Then again, just listing every occasional racial justice protest that pops up is stupid and we need to draw a line. And I can tell you for sure there is no way the unrest extended up until 2022 as a continuous thing. Evaporation123 (talk) 00:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need to explain all of this to Slatersteven, the one who won't let any of us editors to touch the date. Everytime they change it to an end date, he keeps reverting it back to present like he wants it to be ongoing while in reality it's not. SpringField23402 (talk) 03:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is he an administrator? I don't feel like analysing the whole procedure for edit warring or whatever this is now, but I'm pretty sure bad behavior can be reported. Evaporation123 (talk) 04:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Slatersteven does not make any mention of being an administrator in his talk page. Dimadick (talk) 05:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read wp:or, we need a source saying they ended at a given date. Now if you want to discuss the idea of splitting this into United States racial unrest (2020) United States racial unrest (2021) United States racial unrest (2022 (etc) lets have it. Slatersteven (talk) 10:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the last entry is Eddie Irizarry protests, September 2023. Slatersteven (talk) 10:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that was just in Philadelphia. This is supposed to be about nationwide unrest, not just in one state or city. SpringField23402 (talk) 15:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So? the last mentioned demonstration was not in 2022, in fact we have 3 entries for 2023. Slatersteven (talk) 16:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're not making any sense. We mean unrest as in "civil disorder" not peaceful protests like the ones in 2023. A peaceful protest is not unrest, and you should know that. SpringField23402 (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, the last entry we have was not in 2022, we have at least 3 entries that postdate that, better for you to understand? Slatersteven (talk) 08:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discus content, not users. Slatersteven (talk) 10:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split proposal[edit]

As there seems to be a lot of disagrment as to when these ended shouso we split them off by year? Slatersteven (talk) 10:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Like the Daunte Wright protests, we should add the "Initial" and "Subsequent" events, or label it by saying "Nationwide" and "Statewide" SpringField23402 (talk) 15:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This smackS of OR, it seems to be just having a separate article titled "United States racial unrest (year)" removes any need for any of that. What we can't do is start to split it down even further. Slatersteven (talk) 15:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]