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Revealing BOB

Should we reveal the real identity of the killer possessed by BOB here? I realize this is an encyclopedic article and the "spoiler" template has been used, but this is an awfully big revelation to learn by anyone who has not seen the show. One of the greatest things about this show is the surprise when learning the real killer...thoughts? Jeff schiller 17:56, 2004 Dec 15 (UTC)

Is there anyone out there who doesn't know?  :-) It's like "Who Shot J.R."--I never watched the show, but I know who did it. It seems harmless enough to me, and I loved TP. Alfvaen 04:21, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
I actually don't know who shot J.R. but I guess that's besides the point. If no one else objects I'm fine with it...Jeff schiller 19:23, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)

Suggest positioning the spoiler at the bottom of the page to prevent having to scroll past it, if it must be there (it's hard to talk about the show's themes without spoilers of course). The show shouldn't be inadvertently spoiled by being too blatant, as there are a number of other reasons to consult an article without having seen the show. I do know one thing: anytime someone says something like "everybody knows about this" when speaking of a storyline, they're wrong. It's a TV show from 15 years ago, not the Law of Gravity. Every effort should be made to thoroughly demarcate, and hide from the initial page view, ALL spoilers for mystery stories.24.33.28.52 12:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I have to second this - if you're from America and over a certain age, likelyhood is you'll know. Otherwise, it may well all be new to a new viewer. --leopheard 13:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

This section is slightly innacurate. See David Lynch's explantion of BOB on youtube

Blue Velvet

This is just speculation on my part, but does anyone else suspect that Kyle McLachlan's character here is a conscious extension of his character in Blue Velvet? My pet theory is that the boy who witnessed such wrenching and sordid stuff in the earlier movie vowed to try to stop such evil in the world (after all, this was his role in the film) and went on to become an FBI agent. --66.52.186.34 02:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Good theory, but I don't think it's been officially mentioned anywhere, I haven't read the autobiography/diary of Dale Cooper mind, as that could shed some light on it. Anyway, til you find some official material, likelyhood is that it'll get removed as not enough evidence for it. Do some research though as may pop up! --leopheard 11:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Twin Peaks at Amazon

Series 2 on DVD is currently available for pre-order at Amazon.com. They say: 

 Availability: This title will be released on December 31, 1969.

I think 'Bob' has possessed Amazon. :-)


Rather confusingly, Twin Peaks Season 2 seems available from Amazon.com (Region 1) but not Amazon.co.uk (Region 2) but IS available from Amazon.de (Region 2) which has the full English sound and subtitles (as well as many others).

Twin Peaks and Northern Exposure

In the trivia section, someone mentioned that a Northern Exposure episode was produced as a clear parody of Twin Peaks. Which episode is this?

According to TV.com [1], it was the fifth episode, "Russian Flu". ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:52, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

deathbag

explain the deathbag

Spoiler tags

Could someone add this template to the page? I'd do it, but I don't want to risk reading something that would spoil the series for me (I haven't seen it yet):

{{endspoiler}}

To add the template to the page, copy the following: {{endspoiler}}.

Thanks! (Ibaranoff24 01:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC))

Done. I added another spoilers/endspoiler pair around a book that hints perhaps a bit too much of later developments. A quick pass over the current character table suggests that it avoids any significant spoiler info. I haven't reviewed the trivia for spoilers, though. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Proposed featured article nomination

"Twin Peaks" is a famous series in the world. And the information that has been provided in this page seems complete and reliable. I suggest nominating it for the "Feature Article". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pejman47 (talk • contribs) 2006-05-16 07:03:47

  • I'm a big fan of Twin Peaks, and this article has come on leaps and bounds recently, but it clearly falls short of featured standard, I think that would be premature. I'd recommend a drive to get it to Good Article standard, a peer review, and then perhaps consider FA nomination. Please see WP:WIAGA for the general "Good" standards. The article is certainly lacking in referencing right now, and needs copyedit and some restructuring. — Estarriol talk 09:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Whilst the article needs cleanup and improvement, Twin Peaks is an extremely notable TV series, which spawned (or re-spawned) an entire genre and is an international cult icon. Encyclopedic notability is not something that fades over time - one of the purposes of an Encyclopedia, after all, is to preserve information about history. A couple of paragraphs simply wouldn't do this subject justice. It would be a "typical misuse of Wikipedia as a fansite" if we only included things that are currently published and popular. — Estarriol talk 16:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Of course it requires a serious clean-up, but it deserves this volume of information. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do now, I hope some of the fans can do it.Pejman47 17:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Ambiguous paragraph

I think this paragraph is ambiguous: ABC liked the idea and asked Lynch and Frost to write a screenplay for the pilot episode. Originally, the show was entitled Northwest Passage and set in North Dakota, but the fact that a town called Twin Peaks really existed (much like Lumberton in Blue Velvet) prompted a revision in the script. Yur saying that they switched to Twin Peaks because Twin Peaks was a real town? I don't get it. There are lots of real towns.--Nick 22:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

DVD release

I am considering adding a reference for the November release. I found [2] which does not give a date but looks like a solid site. There is also [3] which looks less solid but does give the Nov 2 date. Any thoughts? Should I just use the first link and alter the section appropriately? Eiler7 23:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

According to MovieHole, Paramount has announced that it's pushing back the release of Peaks till May of 07. However, on composer Angelo Badalamenti's MySpace Blog, he claims that there will be a Twin Peaks Season 2 music collection, "tentatively scheduled to be released at the end of 2006 along side the second season DVD set." The date of this entry is 21 September; the date of the MovieHole post is 15 September. I don't know which is in actuality more up-to-date with the info, but I would probably lean toward MovieHole since they get their info straight from Paramount. We'll see. -geoffr111, 26 September 2006

It looks like part one of the season two DVDs is to be released in Europe in January and part two in April. They can be pre-ordered on the | german Amazon site (which also shows pictures of the box sets).

Just a technical note. The series was shown on danish and swedish national Tv and each episode just after the american release. Each time i missed it on danish tv i could watch it two days later on swedish tv. And the last episode was shown within a week of its release in US

Bob in caps

Is there a special reason why Bob is in caps - "BOB" - in this article? Punctured Bicycle 06:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. It shouldn't be in caps (at least it isnt in the screenplay), so I changed it accordingly. Bertilvidet 07:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI, The convention of writing BOB in all caps comes from the Secret Diary of Laura Palmer, by Jen Lynch. It appears in a list of initials that are supposed to coorelate to the names of various lovers Laura has had. Maybe "Bob" was originally intended to be short for something else. If so, it was not to be. In any case, the all-caps format has stuck with fanboys and fangals. As a practical concern, it helps to differentiate between the characters of "Killer BOB," "Bobby Briggs," and the lesser known "Robert Lydecker." -geoffr111

The article doesnt explain that well about the killing. Did Bob the spirit physically kill Laura or did he inhabit someone? Also it talks about a one armed man knowing a Bob. Was there any clear significance at the time of knowing a Bob? The FBI agent had forgotten the name so I presume he didn't realie the killers name was Bob... Nil Einne 17:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

BOB inhabited someone. The one armed man (Mike) knew BOB in the past and did some killings with him, but redeemed himself and became good. - Not registered.

Too much "influences and references"

This page doesn't need to be littered with explanations of each and every time someone invokes Twin Peaks in public. This stuff takes up at least 15% of the total page and none of it is about Twin Peaks.24.33.28.52 15:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Section completely removed earlier

Returning to this page I've seen that one of the sectons has disappeared without any real reason as to why it had to be deleted. I suppose it was a section too long for the article. Still, for reference I will list it here if anyone wants to incorporate all or some of the information into the article. AdamDobay 12:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

It was removed because the information is only tangentially related to the television series Twins Peaks. If readers want to learn what Kyle MacLachlan or Warren Frost did after Twin Peaks, they can visit their respective articles. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Punctured Bicycle 18:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

A lot of this information can be had by simply examining Johanna Ray's career as a casting agent.24.165.210.213 07:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Later cast appearances

  • The series launched the careers of a number of actors, including Heather Graham, Lara Flynn Boyle, Sheryl Lee, and Sherilyn Fenn.
  • A number of actors from Twin Peaks had roles in the short-lived 1992 Lynch / Frost TV series On the Air about a 1950s live television show. Seven episodes were produced while only three aired in the U.S.
  • A number of principal and minor actors from Twin Peaks also had small (but memorable) roles on the sitcom Seinfeld:
    • Warren Frost (Doc Hayward) and Grace Zabriskie (Sara Palmer) had recurring roles as the parents of George Costanza's fiancee, Susan.
    • Ian Abercrombie (the medical insurance salesman when Leo is brought home after being shot) had a recurring role as Mr. Pitt (Elaine's boss).
    • Frances Bay (Mrs. Tremond) appeared in three episodes as the "marble rye-bread lady" (where Jerry Seinfeld stole her marble rye).
    • Walter Olkewicz (Jacques Renault) appeared as the cable man that Kramer tries to avoid.
    • Molly Shannon (woman from the adoption agency, also of Saturday Night Live fame) appeared as one of Elaine's co-workers who did not swing her arms when she walked.
    • Brenda Strong (Ms. Jones, Thomas Eckhardt's friend) appeared as Elaine's friend Sue Ellen Mishke, the heiress to the Oh Henry candy bar fortune.
  • The original RoboCop film features: Ray Wise (Leland Palmer), Dan O'Herlihy (Andrew Packard) and Miguel Ferrer (Albert Rosenfeld)
  • Several of the actors from Twin Peaks appeared on The X-Files:
    • David Duchovny (Agent Denise Bryson) starred as Agent Fox Mulder.
    • Don S. Davis (Major Briggs) played Agent Dana Scully's father, Captain William Scully.
    • Michael J. Anderson (The Man From Another Place) appeared as Mr. Nutt in the second-season episode "Humbug". (He also played carnival director Samson in Carnivàle, a show which shared many of the quirks, mysteriousness, and general weirdness of Twin Peaks and X-Files.)
    • Michael Horse (Deputy Tommy Hawk) appeared as Sheriff Charles Tskany in episode "Shapes" (1.18), airing 1 April 1994.
    • Richard Beymer (Benjamin Horne) appeared in the episode "Sanguinarium", airing 1997.
    • Kenneth Welsh (Windom Earle) appeared in the episode "Revelations", airing 1996.
  • A number of Twin Peaks actors appeared on Dawson's Creek:
    • Mädchen Amick (Shelly Johnson) played Nicole Kennedy, Dawson's critical film teacher who also dates his father, in three Season 2 episodes.
    • Sherilyn Fenn (Audrey Horne) was Alex Pearl, Pacey's temptuous boss in three Season 5 episodes.
    • Ray Wise (Leland Palmer) had a small role at the end of Season 6.
    • Dana Ashbrook (Bobby Briggs) played Rich Rinoldi, Pacey's smarmy "boiler room" boss in nine Season 6 episodes.
  • Everett McGill (Big Ed Hurley) and Wendy Robie (Nadine Hurley) played the evil parents in the movie The People Under the Stairs (1991).
  • A number of Twin Peaks actors have appeared in The WB's supernatural dramedy series Charmed, mostly in supernatural roles.
    • Dana Ashbrook appeared as a biker (apparently similar to James Hurley's character in Twin Peaks) in episode 3.15 - Just Harried.
    • Ian Buchanan portrayed Cole Turner's old mentor, Raynor, in episodes 3.19 - The Demon Who Came In From the Cold and 3.20 - Exit Strategy.
    • Ray Wise appeared as Ludlow, a recruiter of young demon candidates in episode 4.12 - Lost and Bound.
    • Carel Struycken was cast as a Giant Demon in episode 4.21 - Womb Raider.
    • Grace Zabriskie was the demon The Crone in episodes 5.16 - Baby's First Demon and 5.20 - Sense and Sense Ability
    • Michael J. Anderson appeared as a leprechaun in episode 8.13 - Repo Manor and in episode 8.20 - Gone with the Witches.


Source?

Could the person who added the following please list a source for it?

"Also, during the take, one of the minor actors misheard a line and, thinking he was being asked his name, he told Cooper his real name instead of saying his line, briefly throwing the cast off balance. Lynch was reportedly so pleased with this unsettling moment that he kept the 'mistake' in the scene."

It's interesting and I believe it fits in with the article, but if we are going to get this up to Good status then we need to list references. Desdinova 19:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I inserted [citation needed] after the passage. Primogen 19:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I replaced {{Fact}} with a transcription of the broadcast. Richard K. Carson 11:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Links

I think that the link to 'watch twin peaks' at the bottom of the page is misleading. Only very small clips are availiable, even less than you would find at youtube. I feel it is promoting the website stated and could be removed.

I put in a request to clean up the External links on this article. There are many questionable links -- and too many fansites (Wikipeida:External links recommends only one or two fansites max. Primogen 05:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Twin Peaks Curse?

Is there a "Twin Peaks Curse"? What I mean is that every actor/actress involved in the series really hasn't gone on and become a mega star. What do you think, worth mentioning in the article? 156.34.209.243 16:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Not if we don't have a reliable source for such a claim. You might want to consider that most TV series probably don't serve as break-out shows for anybody, especially when they barely make it through 2 seasons. That's hardly a curse. It's more like standard operating procedure. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Hee, Hee...that's true. 156.34.208.146 03:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Even with popular TV series, the stars rarely go on to success elsewhere. What has the cast of Friends done since the series ended? Or Star Trek? Or the X-Files? They had some minor hits here and there but nothing major, and they're all still best known for their work on whatever series made them famous. The problem is that if a series fails it often harms an actor's career as they're associated with failure, but if it succeeds then it often still harms an actor's career as they're associated with a particular character and can't get work in anything else. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.146.47.250 (talk) 00:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

Twin Peaks Murder Mystery Game

I've just seen someone advertising a 'Twin Peaks Murder Mystery' board game on eBay, supposedly manufactured in 1991. Did this actually exist? If so, is it worth mentioning in the article? I swear I'm not just trying to publicise this guy's auctions!

Also, I vaguely recall Laura's diary being serialised in whatever newspaper my parents were getting at the time the show aired here in the UK (possibly The Sun), but can't verify that.

213.122.40.181 18:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to Love

Please merge any relevant info from Invitation to Love, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Invitation to Love. Thanks —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-27 06:13Z

Although I don't believe the content of Invitation to Love is especially appropriate for merger here, I wanted to make sure that the merge decision at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Invitation to Love was done properly, so that further editing can proceed from there. I've copied the entire content, except for the wiki article tags, modifying it only slightly to be more a part of this article (mostly changing the 1st paragraph wording and formatting, and making the "Characters" heading a non-TOC heading). Here is the edit history of the merged article:

  • (cur) (last) 06:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC) Quarl (Talk | contribs) (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Invitation to Love: result was: Merge to Twin Peaks. -- #REDIRECT Twin Peaks)
  • (cur) (last) 03:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC) Jeffq (Talk | contribs) (rv sourcing attempt; none of the 3 cited srcs is remotely reliable by wiki stds; fan discussion is original research)
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  • (cur) (last) 14:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC) Jeffq (Talk | contribs) (rm unsourced analysis & opinions; +fact tags where specific citations needed; punct, case fixes)
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Aftermath

This section reads like a total puff piece and has no sources. It sounds like what you'd read off the back of the DVD box, not something you'd expect from an encylopedia. Cthomer5000 01:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I see this has already been discussed. I noticed the same thing as Cthomer5000 did-the section lacks encyclopedic tone, has serious POV problems, and states quite a few very dubious claims without any type of referencing. It also has a good deal of weasel statement trouble. Seraphimblade 03:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

List of characters

This article is too long. I suggest to move all the stuff about che characters in a separate file called List of Twin Peaks characters -- Magioladitis 18:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Article for Deletion - pop culture page

Cast your vote on this article's entry and help to keep/improve it. Lugnuts 19:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Avoided instance of Plagiarism

In the "declining ratings" section, some of the text seems curiously similar to the introduction to David Lavery's collection of Peaks essays entitled Full of Secrets: Critical Approaches to Twin Peaks. I figured that the stuff that was being said needed citation anyway, so I just added a reference. However, I think we need to be much more careful in the future!

Text as it appears on the page:

  • On 15 February 1991, ABC announced that the show had been put on "indefinite hiatus", a move which usually leads to cancellation.

Text VERBATIM from Lavery's introduction:

  • On February 15, 1991, the American Broadcasting Corporation announced that Twin Peaks would be placed on "indefinite hiatus," a move ordinarily resulting in eventual cancellation.

I'd be willing to bet that whoever wrote that first passage had Lavery's book in their possession, if not right in front of them as they typed. Let's be sure to cite anything and everything we use; otherwise it could be bad news for wikipedia and bad news for us. Geoffr111 13:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to Love

Some of the character info was wrong on the page. "Jared Lancaster" is the name of the fictional soap patriarch, not "Chet," and so I made the change. I also fleshed out the other characters' profiles a little to add more information garnered from episodes 2-7. Geoffr111 14:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Legacy, etc

"Before Twin Peaks, episodes of drama series tended to be standalone, and could be watched in any order. Twin Peaks demonstrated that the interest of the television audience could be sustained, and even enhanced, if there were running storylines."

Isn't that pushing it a little? I'm not debating whether Twin Peaks was influential or not, but isn't Hill Street Blues generally considered to have revolutionized the one-hour format in terms of introducing continuous, week-by-week storylines? It's hard to overlook considering one of Peaks' co-creators was a staff writer on the earlier show. Just a caveat.Mseyers 19:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Original Air Dates Probably 1981 - 1982.....

This show was on when I was in 5th grade, and my parents wouldn't let me watch it. Some of the kids in class were allowed to see it, but when they tried to explain what was going on, it never made any sense!

The long and the short of it is that I was in 5th grade during the 1981 - 1982 school year, so there is NO WAY this show originally aired in the US in 1990, no matter what IMDB says.

I was 29 in 1990 and watched the show, along with millions of others. Either you are not taking your medication or it no longer works for you. Time to talk to your doctor.

I LOVED Northern Exposure, so some day I will rent Twin Peaks and see what I missed! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.33.7.249 (talk) 22:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

It originally aired in the 1990s. Period. 172.159.76.254 01:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Michael

Sorry for the generally pointless contribution, just had to point out that the original statement above is possibly one of the most amusing things on Wikipedia. Not because this berk suggests that he's a greater authority on TV airing times than IMDB, but because millions upon millions of people watched this show when it aired. In the 90s. I'll bet that at least a quarter of Wikipedians over the age of 30 will have watched it, just as I did. In the 90s.

I was 19 when it first aired. In the 90s. Perhaps if the chap above had spent more of his time in the fifth grade enhancing his numeracy and less of it watching surrealist adult-themed TV shows, he wouldn't feel such a pressing need to parade his incompetence before the world.


I'm trying to understand quite how this could've happened. I know memories are more malleable than a lot of us realize, but remembering watching a TV show nine years before it came out? How does that happen? From what I'd gather, it's the sort of thing that'd be more likely to happen to a character than a viewer. Makes me wonder about thing's I'd really rather not think about...like just how closely the universe adheres to the models we have for it. Freaky. --Shay Guy 10:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it's simple — our anonymous contributor must have watched the show from within one of the Lodges, where time and casuality are rather fuzzy ideas. ☺ Seriously, the important factor is Shay's statement: "memories are more malleable than a lot of us realize". We have a tendency to believe that human memory is like a digital recorder in which we sometimes have problems finding the location of crystal-clear recordings, when it's more like an amazingly organized junk drawer that leaks like a sieve. That's why we require published sources for information. They certainly aren't perfect, but they don't degrade in anything like the manner of human memory. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
It's pretty easy to refute the idea of Twin Peaks being from the early 1980s. Dune (1984) also features a performance from Kyle McLachlan, and he's obviously much younger in that film than in Twin Peaks. --Tony Sidaway 15:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Majority of writing and directing not credited to Lynch/Frost

Wanted to call attention to the following sentence in Paragraph 1: "The episodes were written and directed by Lynch and Frost, with the exception of several episodes written by guest directors."

This is clearly wrong, as can be verified with any episode guide. Lynch only directed 6 of the 30 episodes; Frost directed 1 out of 30; Frost has a writing credit on 11 episodes out of 30, Lynch on 4 out of 30. I'm changing the sentence to "Although the series was created by Lynch and Frost, the majority of episodes are credited to different writers and directors."

That's not entirely true. Mark Frost directed episode 1.8 that aired on May 23, 1990. --J.D. 13:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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