Talk:Transport in India/GA1

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewing, will take a few days. Aditya ^α _ß 14:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing the version of the article that existed at the time I posted the above message. Subsequent changes will be ignored, until I post the full review. Aditya ^α _ß 16:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminary thoughts[edit]

I went through about half of the article last night and I see some major problems. Besides grammatical errors, there's a colossal number of unsourced statements. I'll list them out here so you can work on sourcing them.

"Even today it is not uncommon for people in rural areas to commute several kilometers on foot every day." Done removed as ref was not found.--GDibyendu (talk) 05:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Palanquins or "palki" was one of the luxurious methods used by the rich and noblemen for travelling purposes. The word "Palki" came from the word 'Palanki'. The Portuguese called it "Palan Queem" and the Britishers "Palan Queen". In Sanskrit it is called as "palki". In Tamil it is called as "Pallakku". This was primarily used in the olden days to carry the deity or idol of the god (many temples have sculptures of god being carried in a palki). Later on during 15th century Noblemen were known to use it for transport. Girls and ladies from rich families were ferried in palki and were escorted by males riding on horses. During the fifteenth century many Muslim families used it. Gradually many landlords and people with royalty also started using it." Done

"They can still be seen in many of the cities and villages. In the recent years some of the cities have banned the movement of bullock carts and other slow moving vehicles on the main roads during daytime." Done

"From the early part of the century the bicycle rickshaw became popular and are still used in rural India. They are bigger than a tricycle where two people sit on an elevated seat at the back and a person pedals from the front. In urban areas they have been mostly superseded by auto rickshaws." Done

"A significant prejudice against bicycle riding for transport exists in some segments of the population, generally stemming from the status symbol aspect of the motor vehicle. In India, the word "bike" generally refers to motorcycle, and "cycle" refers to bicycle." Done

"Local transport is predominantly by road, with the exception of the four metropolitan cities of Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, and Kolkata where train transport is more popular. Most Indian cities are connected to surrounding towns by buses or trains. The vast national rail network also enables farmers to transport their agricultural produce to larger towns, where they get better prices." Done

"An auto rickshaw (auto or rickshaw or tempo in popular parlance) is a three wheeler vehicle for hire. Typically, it has no doors or seat-belts. Generally it is painted in yellow, green or black colour and has a black, yellow or green canopy on the top. An auto rickshaw is generally characterized by a tin/iron body resting on three small wheels (one in front, two at the rear), a small cabin for the driver in the front and seating for up to three passengers in the rear. Design of an auto varies considerably from place to place. Often, drivers add an extra plank on the seat to accommodate more passengers. Though autos are mostly equipped with a meter that displays fare, hiring an auto often involves bargaining with the driver." Done

The paragraph on taxis is completely unsourced. Done

And about this: "No rail link exists with either China or Sri Lanka." No rail link is possible with Sri Lanka. It's an island.

Ever heard of the Channel tunnel? :-) Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 06:41, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Japan has inter-island rail and so does NYC although it's only a small tunnel YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 06:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ever heard of a railway bridge? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here is some info on this.--GDibyendu (talk) 15:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CAn't that be used as a ref? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've been looking for refs to support statements for the taxi section. And I wouldn't call the the entire section un-referenced, it does have one source, albeit not relating to taxis. As for the statement, "Local transport is predominantly by road, with the exception of the four metropolitan cities of Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, and Kolkata where train transport is more popular."..... These four cities have a century old railway line which passes thru the entire city and thus acts a local line. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

About the rail connection to Sri Lanka, I stand corrected. About the other statements, you really should source them (or remove them). Moving on. The lead of the article has issues, but that will have to wait until you've sourced/removed the unsourced statements, as the lead is a summary of the article.

Grammatical stuff: " This was primarily used in the olden days to carry the deity or idol of the god " Should be a deity, and a god. Done

"The advent of the British saw drastic improvements in the horse carriages which were used for transport since early days." Link advent to the British colonial system in India. Done Linked to British Raj.

"travel for much" Should be travel "in" much. Done

"The Government of West Bengal proposed to ban these rickshaws in 2005, describing them "inhuman"" Done

"They are still in use in Kolkata and provide a pollution-free means of transport." Are you sure they're pollution free? I believe they run on electricity, which creates pollution in power plants. You'll need to change it to emission-free, or something of that sort. Done

"used by Eurpoean noblemen" Correct spelling is European. Done

"Though a bill on this" Rephrase please. "On this" is incorrect. Try "Though a bill aiming to address this issue". Done

"Hero Honda, Bajaj Auto and TVS Motors are the largest two-wheeler companies in terms of market-share whilst models from Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kinetic also sell in decent numbers. Royal Enfield is an iconic brand name in the country and elsewhere. It manufactures different variants of the Bullet motorcycle which is regarded as a classic motorcycle that is still in production." Source the above para. Also specify what you mean by "and elsewhere." The "regarded as a classic motorcycle" will definitely have to be sourced too, else it constitutes OR. Done

"Scooter manufacture" Change to manufacture of scooters. Done

"They eventually acquired licence of the" Change to "They eventually acquired the licence for the" Done

"they began a full-fledged manufacture " Change to they began full-fledged production. Done

That's half the article covered. I'll tackle the other half tomorrow, and once you're done with the sourcing, we'll take care of the lead. Aditya ^α _ß 18:02, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm gonna go for the whole article right now, except for the lead.

Source: "In ancient times, people often covered long distances on foot. For instance, Adi Sankaracharya traveled all over India. Even today it is not uncommon for people in rural areas to commute several kilometers on foot every day." Done first/second sentence has been referenced by someone else; I have removed the last one as reference is not found.--GDibyendu (talk) 05:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This will still have to be sourced: "Local transport is predominantly by road, with the exception of the four metropolitan cities of Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, and Kolkata where train transport is more popular. Most Indian cities are connected to surrounding towns by buses or trains. The vast national rail network also enables farmers to transport their agricultural produce to larger towns, where they get better prices." Done removed last two as could not find references. Changed the first one: it can be easily referenced if needed.--GDibyendu (talk) 05:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update. The first sentence has also been sourced. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 11:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"New initiatives like Bus rapid transit systems" Should be Bus Rapid Transit, or bus rapid transit. Capitalizing Bus doesn't make sense. Done it was like that probably because the linked article has that exact title.--GDibyendu (talk) 04:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"High Capacity buses" Is "high capacity" a proper noun? If it is, then the sentence is correct, else it needs to be changed to High capacity buses. Done Yes, its a proper noun, as High Capacity Bus System (HCBS) is a proper noun, as per this link.--GDibyendu (talk) 04:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"A recent law passed prohibits auto-rickshaw-drivers" Remove passed. It's redundant. "A recent law prohibits" is enough. Also auto-rickshaw-drivers is wrong. Change to auto rickshaw drivers, as that's the format used in the rest of the paragraph. Done

"or nearby the final destination." Replace nearby with near. Done

"It was a copy of the original Jeep manufactured under licence." Change to "It was a copy of the original Jeep and was manufactured under licence." Done

"Till then the appeal of such vehicles had been restricted to the rural areas." Change till then to until then. Done

"The Sumo, owing to its then-modern design, was the first utility vehicle which captured a share of the urban market from cars." "However, research from HireCarsIndia.com indicates that Toyota's Qualis and Innova are by far the most popular hired vehicles amongst tour operators and foreign visitors. " You'll need a source for that. And also cite the research from HireCarsIndia.com. Done The research from HireCarsIndia.com was deleted as it is not a reliable source. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 11:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

" people use Share taxis. " Share taxis isn't capitalized. Change to "share taxis". Done

"Kashmir Railway is the second highest in the world" Source? Done

" Most highways are 2 laned, while in some better developed areas they may broaden to 4 lanes. Close to big cities, highways can even be 8 laned." That would constitute OR. Is there a reliable source for this? Done Replaced this with: "Under National Highways Development Project (NHDP), work is under progress to equip some of the important national highways with four lanes; also there is a plan to convert some stretches of these roads to six lanes." with a ref.--GDibyendu (talk) 12:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"All national highways are metalled, but very few are constructed of concrete" I don't understand. Can a metalled highway be constructed of concrete? If you could elaborate on this, I'd know if it's correct.

A concrete metal road is one where the pavement is made of concrete over bitumen OR asphalt. Drive on the MPEW or on NH 4 between Pune and Hubli and you'll see what I mean. A concrete road can be identified by the square/rectangle marks on the road. Almost all rods in Mumbai, Kolkata, Pune and Nagpur are concrete. If you've been there, you've seen it.. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"In most developed states the roads are smooth, however in less developed states and in sparsely populated areas, highways are riddled with potholes." WP:OR yet again. Done removed, clearly an OR.--GDibyendu (talk) 02:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"expensive production car in the world[61]," References should come after the comma. Done

"The Darjeeling Himalayan Railway is a World Heritage Site[71], " Same as above. Done

" form of the Mumbai Maglev.[78]." 2 fullstops (or periods, or whatever you call them). Please remove the second one. Done

"has commenced the construction of more than 50 skywalks,[12] [13] " No space between references. Done

" than 1.4 million employees.[72] [77] " Same as above. Done

"The distinction between major and minor ports is not based on the amount of cargo handled. " Change to "The distinction between major and minor ports is not based on the amount of cargo handled but on the regulatory body managing the port" or something of that sort.

Question: why? the rest of the paragraph explains the difference anyway.--GDibyendu (talk) 04:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Waterways: Source all statistics in the Waterways paragraph. Done

"The following waterways have been declared as National Waterways till now" The "till now" part seems unnecessary. Done

"Air Deccan, Jet Airways, Kingfisher Airlines, IndiGo Airlines and Air India are the most popular brands in domestic air travel in order of their market share." Source please. Done

"Of these, Jet, Indian and Kingfisher also operate overseas routes after the liberalisation of Indian Aviation." Should be "Indian aviation". Done

"Jet Airways, India's largest private carrier, has invested billions of dollars to increase its fleet." Source. Done

That just leaves the lead. Once you finish with the sourcing, I'll review the lead. But since the lead is a summary of the whole article, I can't review it until you solve the sourcing issues. Aditya ^α _ß 18:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed a few sentences, for which no reference was found and I believe it will be difficult to find them anyway. Some more refs are still needed, marked them as

Not done—to mean 'to be done'.--GDibyendu (talk) 05:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update. All the sourcing issues mentioned above have been taken care of. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 07:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Lead Section[edit]

I cannot pass the article until all the above sourcing issues have been taken care of. I'll review the lead though.

"and today, there" Comma is unnecessary. Done

"there is a wide variety of well-developed modes of transport by land, water and air." This sentence contradicts the second paragraph, which says India's traffic is riddled with infrastructure problems. Done The words well-developed have been removed, so that it no longer contradicts the second paragraph. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 14:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"wealthier few :" No space between few and ':'. Use '-' instead of ':'. Done

"Trucking goods from Gurgaon to the port in Mumbai can take up to 10 days" This is not totally relevant in the lead, which should provide no more than a summary of the article. Recommend shifting it to the main article. Done

"extremely congested :" As above, no space between congested and ':'. Also, use '-' and not ':' in this case. Done

"of any country" You can remove that, it's not necessary. Done

" on ports in India." Should be " on the ports in India." Done

Incorporate aviation into the lead. Done

Aditya ^α _ß 17:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The lead's fine now. Some sourcing issues remain. I'll check back in 12 hours, and in 24 hours, and I'll pass the article if the issues have been taken care of. Regards, Aditya ^α _ß 17:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And finally![edit]

Can you use this as a reference for the "no rail link exists with Sri Lanka" sentence? I believe it constitutes a reliable source.

Also, for the line "all highways are metalled", can the word "metalled" be internally linked to an article? For those who don't know what it means. Aditya ^α _ß 12:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both done now.--GDibyendu (talk) 12:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I'm satisfied that Transport in India satisfies the Good Article criteria, I'm promoting it to a GA. Congratulations! The credit for this goes to the following users for their hard work on this article (in no particular order):

GDibyendu (talk · contribs)

SBC-YPR (talk · contribs)

Rsrikanth05 (talk · contribs)

Aditya ^α _ß 14:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]