Talk:Toyota Hilux

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drum vs disc brakes

@Trigenibinion:,

Looks like we need to discuss this. Drum brakes and disc brakes are both quite safe. Drum brakes can be made massively strong (by making them wider) but suffer from brake fade due to heat dissipation (the best drum brakes have finned covers). Disc brakes have much better heat dissipation but are size limited within the diameter of the wheel (drums can be made bigger sideways). Drums also have a self-servo action, so do not need the brake booster (and potential vacuum leaks and other problems). Saying either one is safer than the other is not valid because it depends on the circumstances. Race cars tend to favour disc brakes due to the fast moving air keeping them cool. Big trucks (Mack, Kenworth, etc) tend to favour the sheer stopping power of massive, massive brakes with the self-servo operation. You need a reference that explains why rear disc brakes make the HiLux safer. And we need to qualify whether any reference(s) about which models have them apply to all models worldwide or just certain models and/or markets.

PS: I'm not against a simple statement in the section where other options are listed saying that certain models or markets have disc rear brakes. It's the highlighting it in the safety section that I'm against.  Stepho  talk  07:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

The disc brakes are noted in an Australia section, but it gets lost there. Trigenibinion (talk) 13:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• We can't use our opinion, we use the opinions of others. Like this [1]. I think you might find most sources are going to say "disk brakes are safer than drum", meaning over most circumstances that drivers will face. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Use by militant groups in lead?

There's currently a subsection on the vehicle's use by militant groups, but nothing about it in the lead. Would it be appropriate to add a line? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

No. It's a niche use that does not affect the design. If Toyota put in special reinforcing plates just to make mounting large calibre machine guns in the bed better, that would be mentioned in the lead.  Stepho  talk  21:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

We care about more than just a vehicle's design, though. A comprehensive article should cover its cultural reputation, and the quote we currently use — "the vehicular equivalent of the AK-47. It's ubiquitous to insurgent warfare" makes it seem like that's a notable part of its reputation. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

It's merely one use and certainly not its most common use by a long shot. To mention it in the article is fine. Just not notable enough to be in the lead. To put a different perspective on it, go to any Australian mine site and about half of the vehicles are Hiluxes. That would be far more appropriate for the lead than militant use because the numbers are much, much higher and is actually part of the design.  Stepho  talk  21:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

How many reliable sources talk about its use in Australian mine sites? Cultural reputation doesn't follow neatly from usage numbers. And our obligation under DUE is to reflect weighting in sources, not usage numbers or deference to a manufacturer's design intent. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

How many reliable sources talk about its use by militants compare to the number of reviews (in reliable sources) for civilian use? Militant use is very much a niche use, which is why it is in the article but not in the lead.

For another example, a Tundra was used to tow a Space Shuttle (see Toyota Tundra#Pulling the Space Shuttle Endeavour. It's mentioned in the article but not in its lead because it was a niche use that nonetheless got a lot of media coverage. Excited media coverage does not always equate to notability.  Stepho  talk  22:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree - it is a niche use and having it in the lead would be undue weight. --Sable232 (talk) 23:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

5LE engine to be added…

…for the Sixth Generation. Boscaswell talk 08:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Do you have references from reliable sources? Without references we can do nothing. See WP:FACT and WP:RS.  Stepho  talk  09:27, 27 January 2024 (UTC)