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Negativity

This article seems to shed a very negative light on Tony Dungy's career as head coach. Yes, he has lost in the playoffs. However, this article failed to mention ANY of his accomplishments. For example: He has led his team into the playoffs every year in the playoffs as a head coach except one year (his first year as Buc's head coach), including 1 trip to the NFC championship game, and 2 consecutive trips to the AFC championship game. So whomever provided that article, let's provide factual data, not data that scrutinize the man for his "playoff futility". —preceding unsigned comment by 12.96.65.83 (talk • contribs) 22:28, July 29, 2005

Tony Dungy's quality, style and football knowledge are exceptional. Very seldom do you see him ranting and raving and acting foolish on the sidelines. He trusts his assistants and holds his team to high ethical and moral standards. I know his players respect and admire him as a person and former player. —preceding unsigned comment by 206.246.160.177 (talk • contribs) 18:53, October 23, 2005

I applied the "unsigned" template to these two earlier posts --Rogerd 03:34, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

his son just died 14:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.132.145 (talk • contribs)

I just have mentioned that in the article, thanks. --W.marsh 14:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Can we place his son in the Death List for December 22 without having any links to his name? ---J. C. 10:52, 22 December 2005

I don't think so, personally. Mention on those pages is for people who have articles. --W.marsh 16:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thats what I thought ---J. C. 14:00, 22 December 2005

Contrary to negativity, I find this article to be somewhat of a Dungy love fest. The getting up at 3:00 AM remark was clearly a shot at John Gruden and unnecessary. Much is made of Dungy's cool and level headed manner and the implication is there that this somehow makes him superior. I see no mention of the fact that this same lack of emotion could be a leading factor in his poor playoff record. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.41.196.57 (talk) 17:33, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Number of children

This article mentions the four children he had by his wife, and James is not among them. Either James is a child of a previous marriage or illegitimate, one of the sons Eric or Jordan does not exist and James was mistakenly named, or James is now not included among his children because he is dead. Either way, this part of the article needs to be clarified. Academic Challenger 05:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

From the AP article: [1] The Dungys have four other children: daughters Tiara and Jade and sons Eric and Jordan. James, their second-oldest child, was taking extension classes at the University of South Florida, the sheriff's office said. Someone recently changed it (an anonymous contributor too lazy to find it) from 5 to 4 after the news of his son's death. --J. Nguyen 05:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Image

Isn't the image a bit small —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.169.187 (talk • contribs)

Yes would someone please change the image. It is too dark, you can't make out his face at all. The size is OK as long as it's clear 199.41.197.24 08:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)Winang


An awful lot on one game

Three very long paragraphs of this article are about a single game in which the man coached. Is that much information really germane to this article? -- Pawl 04:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, it's a spectacular win but I'd rather have it be 1/2 a paragraph for description of this game, and 2.5 paragraphs of stats on other great games he's coached. 71.112.19.160 07:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Matt

Personal

The game in which he unfortunately did not coach in the divisional playoff was against the Pittsburgh Steelers, not the Seattle Seahawks. Sam GoveaChem82 17:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Philosophy

"Contrary to the coaching styles of using profanity and intimidation, getting up at 3 a.m., not living at the complex or sacrificing their families or their faith, the coaches under Dungy are essentially teachers,[6] put faith and family ahead of football and do not belittle his players or scream at them and like Dungy, they are calm when things get worse. They guide instead of goads, and Lovie Smith found that perhaps the most instructive thing of all."

The grammar in this section needs to be cleaned up, and some parts need to be rephrased in order to make sense. For example, is the getting up at 3 a.m. phrase an example of something he and his staff do do or something they don't do? If it's something they don't do, then does the phrase not living at the complex or sacrificing their families or their faith likewise refer to something that they don't do? If that's the case, then he and his assistants do live at the training complex and sacrifice their families—much like most other coaches. They guide instead of goads should end with goad—but perhaps the whole section, or at least this paragraph, should be deleted for being un-encyclopedic and violating NPOV, as well as being largely unsourced. 4.243.206.79 05:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

adding to the ranks

some where it needs to be noted that he and only two other won the super bowl as a head coach and a player. ditka and Tom Flores —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.125.171.127 (talk) 04:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

"Tony"

I undid the previous edit because there was no mention under the WP page specified that there was anything wrong with including the nickname. Honestly, people, try to be more specific when you are citing a page, especially if it doesn't explicitly say what you think it does. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stusutcliffe (talk • contribs) 21:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

The title "Tony Dungy" already says enough. According to WP:MOSBIO#Names, the first subject does not need to put Tony inside his whole name. Don't you see that's very redundant? --Chaohwa 02:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Playoffs with Tampa Bay

Under "Coaching Career" subsection "Tampa Bay Buccaneers," you referenced that Dungy took them to the playoffs 3 times. That number actually should be 4 playoff berths: 1997 & 1999-2001.

Thank you.

71.76.236.35 21:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)jh

Fixed Warhawk137 04:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Image

Anybody who is willing to do the tedious work of uploading a better image (preferably to the commons): we have a good free one here: [2]. Part Deux 17:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Indiana amendment

According to the article, Mr Dungy did not support the activists who were attempting to expand the definition of marriage; rather, he supported the proposed amendment which would have limited the definition of "marriage" to a one man and one woman. --Bookgrrl holler/lookee here 21:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Controversies

Tony's support of the ban on same-sex marriage really did create quite an uproar from activist groups and Colts fans. I do believe it should be included. Examine the following: "On March 20, 2007, Dungy aligned himself with a socially conservative organization, the Indiana Family Institute, and openly supported an amendment to the Indiana constitution which would have defined marriage as solely between one man and one woman. According to the Indianapolis Star, Dungy is quoted as saying "I appreciate the stance they're taking, and I embrace that stance. Indiana Family Institute is saying what the Lord says. You can take that and make your decision on which way you want to be. I'm on the Lord's side." [3] Gay Right's groups and supporters were taken aback by Dungy's words that suggested they were not on the Lord's side. Outraged fans throughout the blogosphere condemed Dungy's stance on gay right's issues. [4]"

The actual Tony Dungy article seems to have this discussion topic on its "article" page word for word. Shouldn't the "Controversy" section be edited to have an encyclopedic tone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.233.95.18 (talk) 17:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Jim Caldwell

I'm taking out Jim Caldwell as successor in the bottom link. He has been named as the successor, yet he has not succeeded him. He could disappear tomorrow. Or take a job with a different team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by No1cubfan (talk • contribs) 05:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I totally disagree. Caldwell has committed to staying and will take over after Dungy. He should remain in the box as successor. That's the whole reason they named him. He's not just the presumptive choice. He is the next choice. I'm not going to revert you, but I recommend you rethink what you did, because I don't believe most people agree with you in this case. Enigma message 06:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Record

His regular season record has more wins than his career record. Something seems off with this. Kushboy (talk) 00:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Section(s) as player

His college and professional career as a player appear to be overlooked.--SidP (talk) 22:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree. This article is very incomplete without this information.

I've added the information in. --SouthernNights (talk) 22:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Biracial?

Is he half-white? He does remind me of Barack Obama in the looks department. rock8591 10:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 (talk • contribs)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tony Dungy/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

The page states that the Colts defeated the Bears in Super Bowl XI. Needs to be corrected to Super Bowl XLI. Atrapp 16:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)atrapp

Last edited at 16:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 16:00, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Mentoring of Vick

I can't argue that somewhere the article should mention Dungy's involvement with Vick -- this was all over the NFL media in summer 2009, it is consistent with and perhaps integral to Dungy's character. Yet, I can't see this being in the LEDE of the article. In the overall arc of Dungy's career, Michael Vick is a fraction of an arcsecond. So I moved the Vick statement to the "personal" section.

That said, Dungy's broadcasting career is already significant. I added a statement in the Lede referencing his work on NBC. If he continutes this work for another year, it might eventually be worth adding a section to the main article. Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 14:29, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

"Coaching Firsts"

Okay, I understand this may be a politically charged issue. The statement that Dungy was the first black man to win a Super Bowl is utterly relevant -- I don't think anyone argues that.

Then the article states that other black folks have won pro football championships in North America before Dungy, in the Arena League and Canada. This is borderline relevant. My own perception is that these statements minimize Dungy's accomplishment -- after all, no one cares when Jackie Robinson broke into the minor leagues, only when he debuted with the Dodgers; and discussion of Jackie R isn't usually footnoted with the fact that black players played in the major leagues back in the 1880s and 1890s until they were blackballed. But nevertheless, I can see the relevance here, and I did not delete these references.

But I did delete the point about Flores being the first "minority" coach to win a Super Bowl, with Dungy second. Do we then footnote Marv Levy as the first Jew to coach in a Super Bowl? Madden as the first fat guy?

Dungy identifies himself, and is universally identified by others, as a black American by race and culture. Thus, the fact that he was a pioneer in the NFL for people of this race and culture is significant. References to Hispanics, Jews, Samoans, or anyone else are gratuitous and (I think) distract from Dungy's significant accomplishments.

Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 14:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

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