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Comment here if there is something that you do not like on the page. That is what the talk page is for. --Drdan 17:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen others making the same mistake as myself and want to give a word of warning here. The most recent rumours surrounding Beltran in Sweden have not yet been verified by reliable sources. In line with the policies of no original research and verifyability all edits to this article must be acompanyied by reliable sources, preferably in English! Due to the controveries surrounding the topic, edits not following these guidelines will be reverted swiftly. rxnd ( t | € | c ) 08:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to make myself clear, a reliable sources should be trustworthy and neutral (i.e. not a neo-nazi website) and the source should obviously support the claim that you are making in the text (which has not been the case). Seeing that quite a few dodgy Swedish references have been used in the last couple of edits, I think that we should agree only to use English language sources from here on. rxnd ( t | € | c ) 08:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why should only english speaking sources be accepted? Then much information should be unaccesseble for Wikipedia. Many really good information sources are in other languages than english - especially when it comes to topics that have a focus in a non-english speaking country.

The external link to the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet is NOT an article about Tito Beltran, it's an article about a Swedish artist which is prosecuted for sexual harassment. Tito Beltran is not mentioned in this article. //Tåggas 11:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It has been confirmed that the artist is in fact Tito Beltrán by the district court of Varberg. Just calling them and confirming it is allowed by law, seeing as the hearing is open. The addition of the case and it's outcome should probably be done later, though, since it's easier to add it when everything's done. -SkogsRickard 14:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is not allowed by law to publish according to Swedish and EU legislation [1]. Referring to first party sources is also against Wikipedia policys. //StefanB sv 07:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since Wikipedia is under U.S. jurisdiction, the information is ideed allowed. Camptown 23:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was just saying it's confirmed and definite. Regardless how the case ends up there should most definitely be a mention of it somewhere in the article when it's all done. -SkogsRickard 00:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Camptown, is it allowed according to WP:BLP? FYI, Swedish citizens, as well as all the citizens of the member countries in EU is under their home countries jurisdiction, for example the Swedish personal data law does not allow this kind of information unless it first is published for journalistic purposes[2]. I'm not sure, but that's probably one of the reasons why WP:BLP states that information should not come from first party sources, like courts, which is original research by the way. U.S. jurisdiction does not make Wikipedia a lawless zone. //StefanB sv 17:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, information shall always be as well sourced as possible, in particular when dealing with a living person. However, Wikipedia is under U.S. jurisdiction and WP:BLP is only a set of internal guidelines for biographies of living people. I don't know the Beltran case, but if it is notable enough, there is very little in U.S. jurisdiction that would prevent the infomation from being published. Reference explicitly to E.U. or Swedish local legislation when making reverting edits at this project is not correct. --Camptown 16:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An article from the The Local (in english): Stars gather for celebrity rape trial[3]. Please keep in mind that he isn't convicted yet. 84.55.96.235 (talk) 07:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC) Daniel[reply]

Thank God that this arrogant, dangerous predatory sex criminal is behind bars. I just hope the story continues to get publicised so that more victims around the world go to the authorities to keep him in jail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.20.188.80 (talk) 22:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Robert Wells that the article links to is not at all the same Robert Wells who is a still living, far younger, popular musician in Sweden. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.9.113 (talk) 04:30, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 2009 court appearance[edit]

Did it take place?--Mycomp (talk) 12:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it did. He was convicted at first but received no additional punishment as he was already in prison. Even so, he was found not guilty in the court of appeals. I added the information to the article, unfortunately I could not find any English sources. MatsT (talk) 13:35, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Age of consent in Sweden[edit]

For context, it might be relevant to note that the age of consent in Sweden is 15 years old. Since Beltrán was convicted of sexual "abuse of a child" (to quote the article), we're not talking a 17-year old, we're talking sub-15, when he was in his mid-30s. I'm not sure how to add that to the article, if at all, so I'm leaving that to a more experience editor. From (talk) 13:43, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]