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Wabash College[edit]

I know TRM went to Wabash--but to study law? AFAIK, it's never had a law program, even pre-law.... 161.32.47.33 (talk) 02:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Calvin Coolidge[edit]

"Marshall's decision not to seek the presidential nomination in 1920 was the last time, until 2008, in which neither an incumbent president nor his vice president had entered the electoral race toward the end of his term." That is not correct neither Calvin Coolidge nor Charles G Dawes sought the Republican nomination in 1928.--220.237.12.60 (talk) 18:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Presidents and Vice Presidents Have Run Together Since 1808.[edit]

So they win the same states. For this reason, this line: "It was also the first presidential election ever in which the incumbent vice president won all the states won by the incumbent president, something that has since become the norm when a president seeks reelection" seems exceedingly unlikely to me. Could whoever added it please add a citation or take it out?GreekParadise (talk) 00:33, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the key word there is "incumbent". —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 12:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Socialist constitution?[edit]

What is the basis for referring to Marshall's proposed constitution as "socialist" or organizing the state "on a socialist basis"? It was a progressive constitution perhaps (with its inclusion of initiative and referendum, which were standard demands of the Progressive movement of that era), but socialist? Where did Marshall call either himself or his proposed constitution "socialist"? Zachary Klaas (talk) 01:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Socialist is the term used by the source. It also refers to it as "hoplessly flawed", and in large part unconsitutional because of the representation reorganization could be conisdered a non-republican form of government. Progressive ideaolgy of time was in large part socialist. The state Democrat party had not realigned along progressive-conservative lines at the time of the consitution. The state Republican already had split up over it (allowing Marshall's election). Minimum wage, mandatory welfare spending, consitutional protections for labor unions - those are a few of the items the source uses to describe it as socialist. Maintianing male only voting rights, prohibition, primary elections, initiatives, and referedums, were also among the other items included. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 12:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Morrisson Izzy Marshall[edit]

I am not sure what to do about adding Marshall's adopted son to the article. He never officially adopted the boy, but he took care of him most of his life, and the two are buried next to each other. So while not legally his son, he was adopted by Marshall in every other sense of the word. I am thinking that I will add it to the infobox and note it as adopted, and then footnote an explanation. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 15:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have located a source that claims Thomas Riley Marsall is the great grandson of John Marshall. I cannot find anything to confirm this. Does anyone know the awnser? —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 18:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article review[edit]

After reviewing the article I would say it reads very well, however the content between Ref 64 and 65 appears in need of more detail. I don't care for the phrase "trivial issues", and the over reliance on one reference. Recommend these trivial issues be provided or the sentence deleted. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^PRAISE 14:48, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I have added some more detail about the exact bills, provided an additional reference, and rephrased the sentance about "trivial issues". —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 17:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Assassination Attempt[edit]

This article's lead mentions that "Vice President Marshall is also the only known Vice President of the United States to have been the target of an assassination attempt." This is not mentioned in the "Assassination Attempt" section later on. My dispute with this is that Vice President Andrew Johnson was a target in the conspiracy that ultimately killed Pres. Lincoln and wounded Sec. William Seward. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Abraham_Lincoln#Atzerodt_fails_to_attack_Andrew_Johnson

If the lead was modified to say that Thomas Marshall was the only VP to be exclusively targeted for assassination (as opposed to being part of a larger plot), it could be more accurate. Or the lead could say "Marshall was the target of an assassination attempt in (year)" and then leave the particulars and trivia to the "Assassination Attempt" section. Gog-Clocthoth (talk) 05:21, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Muenter… confessed to attempted assassination of the vice president. But then: Muenter may not have been specifically targeting the vice president.

Clarification, please. Valetude (talk) 16:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Radical ideas on inheritance[edit]

In the Humor section, the following appears without follow-up: "Some of his public utterances in 1913, in which he appeared to advocate radical ideas in regard to the inheritance of property, caused much criticism." The source given is simply Encyclopedia Americana, which doesn't contain any elaboration as to what radical ideas were implied (I don't know offhand what kind of inheritance law would be seen as "radical") or any quotes from Marshall. Does anyone have more information or further sourcing on this? SamuelRiv (talk) 13:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was unable to find a good way to search for the referenced section in Encyclopedia Americana, but I was able to find a couple of other sources in Google Books regarding this topic. In particular, it appears that Thomas Marshall was opposed to a federal inheritance tax as he believed that it would interfere with the taxing power of the states. However, in the sources that I found, I don't see any indication that this was considered to be a radical idea at the time nor that this viewpoint was a source of criticism towards him.^[1]^[2] Furthermore, the references that I found were both published in 1912, prior to the purported public utterances advocating radical ideas in regard to the inheritance of property, so I'm not sure if the quoted section of the article is referring to some idea other than his opposition to a federal inheritance tax. Ovenel (talk) 22:24, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Shaw, Albert (1912). The American Review of Reviews. Vol. 46. New York City, New York: Review of Reviews. p. 189. ISBN 9781527750739.
^ Pearson's Magazine. Vol. 28. Pearson Publishing Company. 1912. p. 77.

I would recommend we just delete it. Better to remove it if we cannot find a good source and maintain the quality of the article. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 20:46, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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[Shaw1912-1] Shaw, Albert (1912). The American Review of Reviews. Vol. 46. New York City, New York: Review of Reviews. p. 189. ISBN 9781527750739.

[2] Pearson's Magazine. Vol. 28. Pearson Publishing Company. 1912. p. 77.

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