Talk:Thomas Preljubović

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas II Preljubović → Thomas Preljubović – The current article name "Thomas II Preljubović" has no basis, there was no Thomas before him and no sources name him as such (see Thomas II Preljubović on Google Books search. Zoupan (talk) 21:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- The answer to this appears to be found in Rulers of Epirus, which shows that there was a Thomas I - Thomas I Komnenos Doukas. As a ruler he has a regnal number. In a sense "II" and "Preljubović" appear to be alternatives. The WP standard for him as a ruler would be Thomas II of Epirus, but we have tended to move away from that where alternatives are available. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME. No sources use the current title (or Thomas II of Epirus), but there are plenty that use Thomas Preljubović, as can be seen by the sources in the article or a google books search. In response to "As a ruler he has a regnal number", I agree that is the case for most monarchs, but we have to follow the sources and if they don't give him a regnal number (for whatever reasons) then neither should we. Jenks24 (talk) 03:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Albanian-Ottoman Wars[edit]

@Alexikoua: Thomas' campaign against the Albanians in Epirus received Ottoman support, as is stated in this article. Hence why I included it under "Albanian-Ottoman Wars". Any reason why you object to the conclusion? Djks1 (talk) 13:46, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Literature avoids the use of the term 'Albanian-Ottoman War' in the case of Prelubovic and his wars against Shpatas. I fail to see it in this article too.Alexikoua (talk) 18:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You take a narrow view on this, as I have no doubt there are dozens of other battles and wars between Ottomans and group X with references that don't explicitly use the term "Ottoman-x wars". e.g. List of Serbian–Ottoman conflicts states "Serbian–Ottoman conflicts or Serbian–Turkish conflicts include those of medieval Serbia against the Ottoman Empire", rather than requiring a specific mention. I imagine plenty of the Albanian and Bulgarian uprisings are simply referred to as revolts/rebellions in the literature rather than Ottoman-Albanian or Ottoman-Bulgarian wars. Yet they still under the umbrella of those conflicts. In this case, we have a war between a medieval Albanian state, and a coalition of Epirus & the Ottoman empire, meeting the same requirement for classification as on the Serb-Ottoman article, even more so than a rebellion (of which the Serb article contains many, as it should). You seem to be applying a stricted criteria here though than used in other articles. Is there a consensus on this somewhere? Djks1 (talk) 01:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AGEMATTERS[edit]

Hi, @Botushali. Both of Brendan Osswald's editions are considered reliable sources. However, per WP:AGEMATTERS, prioritization should be given to the most recent work by Osswald. This guideline suggests prioritizing newer works (2011) over older ones (2007) by the same author when addressing the same historical context. Please read the guideline for more information. --Azor (talk). 12:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is quite a poor decision, as Osswald does not refute what he said in any of his works. I’d suggest reverting yourself. WP:AGEMATTERS also doesn’t really apply to credible works from the 21st century… Botushali (talk) 12:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Authors may rewrite their work in newer editions for various reasons, including updates to historical context due to new information. You replacing the content with its older edition is not an improvement to the article. --Azor (talk). 13:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So where exactly does Osswald refute the statement that the “Albanian-slayer” is a self-styled epithet? Please provide a quote. Botushali (talk) 13:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]