Talk:The Wanderers (1979 film)

The Wanderers (1979 film) has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: August 8, 2015. (Reviewed version).

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OK, I'm glad we got the language of the first paragraph worked out! Let's say we try to flesh out this article. Great film -- certainly deserves it.--Mantanmoreland 18:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding some details. Feel free to pitch in--Mantanmoreland 13:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Changed "Jujutsu" to "Kung-Fu" under the Wongs -- Jujutsu is from Japan, Kung-Fu is from China, the Wongs are ethnically Chinese, and the fighting style in the movie is entirely Kung-Fu, not Ju-Jutsu. To say otherwise is the height of ethnic ignorance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.102.157.93 (talk) 00:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who cares about your opinion? Stop editing and watch the movie. In the movie Joey (John Friedrich) tells Perry (Tony Ganios) they all know jujutsu, not kung fu!!! --Wildsparrow (talk) 00:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I allways thought Del Shannon Performed "The Wanderer" in this Movie. I could easily be mistaken, because I can't find any information about him performing this song at all. If anyone of you has some info on this matter I will krown him/her King/Queen of Music Trivia if he/she tells me. thx. PhiloPizzaFreak (talk) 09:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The Wanderer" was originally sung by Dion - written by his buddy Ernie Maresca. In 1961 Dion cut two takes of the song. Take 2 was the master. On YouTube, for instance, you find the original demo-version sung by Ernie Maresca - very interesting, but uncool. Del Shannon recorded some great music, too. But as far as I know, he never recorded "The Wanderer". On the other hand, at that time it was quite common to release an album that contained only 50% original material. The remaining 50% were cover versions of - more or less up to date - hits and being used to fill up the record. Dion did that on his Laurie solo albums (he covered classic doowop songs as well as Bobby Darin's "Dream Lover", for instance), Chubby Checker did that (he covered Dion's "Runaround Sue"), even The Beatles did that (their first albums contained 50% roch'n'roll classics from the 50s like "Twist and Shout", "Roll over Beethoven" and "You really got a hold on me", of which the original is featured in this movie). So maybe Del Shannon did that, too. But it definitely was none of his hit singles. And if he recorded "The Wanderer" (which I think he did not), it was just to fill up an album.Nikoskla (talk) 19:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen two (UK) cuts of this film. The original cinema release and then video copies did not include Turkey's death scene, which made the reference to the Ducky boys killing him at the football game confusing. I then saw a cut which did include it (a gay subtext if I remember, but it was a long time ago) Does anyone know why this scene was cut from the cinema release and the first video copies? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.85.220 (talk) 07:38, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes scenes are being censored, sometimes scenes are being cut for no understandable reason. The German cinema and VHS version was only 95 minutes. They cut more than 15 minutes. One of the deleted scenes was the one where Joey meets Perry at the elevator of their tenement building. This scene is essential to understand how Perry, "the stranger", can disappear after beating up the Baldies in one moment and the next moment Joey drives with him to school. I have no idea why it was cut. But in Germany they didn't cut Turkeys death. Years later the so called director's cut was released on VHS in Germany. And on DVD, nowadays, it is the only version available: 113 minutes. I hope it is the full movie, because the article here gives a running time of 117 min. It is either a mistake or the German director's cut DVD is still 5 min short.Nikoskla (talk) 19:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Movie genres[edit]

I would imagine that including the films genre in the first line is standard for Wikipedia movie entries but to the best of my knowledge there is no such movie genre as a "greaser film". (The Wikipedia entry for List of Genres for fiction and entertainment does not include a listing for it)

The Wanderers is a drama. I would change it myself but I have been shut down for this more than once by self declared Wiki Police so I stopped editing. If you guys really want to create something reliable and definitive you might cut down on the pettiness and instead establish a little more standardization for such things.138.32.11.245 (talk) 16:45, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Screw it, I'm changing it. Let's see how long it is before some jackass changes it back because I'm not one of the self appointed elite. 138.32.11.245 (talk) 16:49, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Wanderers (1979 film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BenLinus1214 (talk · contribs) 23:48, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Currently third on my "to review" list, after "Mr. Monk Gets a New Shrink" and Kayla Mueller. BenLinus 1214^talk 23:48, 1 August 2015 (UTC) @Metal121: There appear to be a good number of issues in the article, particularly with sourcing and scope. I think that you might be able to fix the issues in time, and I can give you ten days if you want. Also, if you want even a few months to work on it, I can fail it for now and you can renominate in the future. Just let me know what you want to do! Sorry for using an article that I've expanded extensively, but Boys Don't Cry is a good example page. Of course, it doesn't have to be that comprehensive (I'm preparing it for FAC), but some more detail in some areas would be nice. Anyways, let's get this started:[reply]

Infobox

Any information on the film's budget?

Lead

You shouldn't say "late" wife because she didn't die until 2009. This makes it sound like the film was released posthumously.
There should probably be more production details in the lead.

Why is ref 2 reliable? It doesn't appear to be a direct interview, so why do you trust the quotes it's using?
The third paragraph of the lead is completely irrelevant. Perhaps this is a remainder of some older version, but it's not stated anywhere else and feels more like trivia than useful information, especially lead-worthy info.

Plot

This plot summary is not as helpful to the reader as it could be. It consists primarily of short sentences that really just follow one moment with another moment with another moment. There's no sense of cohesion and everything feels a bit jumpy. Give this a copyedit.

Cast

The "principal", "secondary", and "supporting" distinctions are too arbitrary, so get rid of them.
The additional roles part could use a cite, especially the uncredited Wayne Knight role.

Gangs

This whole section is not only unnecessary, it appears to all be original research. I would remove it completely--there's nothing salvageable here.

Production

to whom did they pitch the project?
"However, before he could finish the screenplay…" comma instead of semicolon
Why is the Star Wars part relevant?
The part starting with "for example" is definitely OR, as you don't have a source to show a direct connection to The Wanderers.
What problems were encountered in the writing?
I'm sorry to say this, but most of the "Writing" section is also OR, as you are drawing conclusions about differences between the book and film by yourself, not through the observations of published sources. It's not enough to cite the book itself.
Because most of the "casting" section is cited to ref 2, I have great concerns (see above).
"problems occurred during filming" is a vague way to start things off. Use better transitional language.
"but then had the audacity to say" non-neutral

Release

This section really needs to be expanded in a variety of ways. Film festival releases, theatrical releases, etc. should be included up top as well as the box office performance.
There should be a lot more reviews listed. If there are eighteen reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, the majority should be discussed in this section. Doesn't have to be all of them, but it should be at least most.
You need to talk way more about the film's cult status--how does this come through, in what way do fans express their attitudes towards the movie, etc.

Soundtrack

The "includes the songs" part of the track listing should probably be sourced. Also, are there any reviews of the soundtrack?

In popular culture

This is really mistitled and unclear what this section is supposed to be--I think it's trying to be more of a "legacy" section, but you need to flesh this out as well.
I don't think the book is a novel…
Once again, expand on the cult following part of the film's reception/legacy.
The theatrical re-release thing should not be in this section.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
The fact that the "gangs" section is longer than the reception is telling for 3b.

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:

It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:

It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

Overall:
Pass/Fail:

@Metal121: This is so much better! I can't believe that you made so many changes so quickly. Good for you! On ref 2, is the other link in an archive somewhere? It's okay if not, but I would prefer it. Yes, the critical reception goes below the box office performance. Currently, it is the other way around. I have a fewM more major comments:

The lead. You don't need any of the specific reviews here (i.e. the ones from Variety and The New York Times). Also, I don't think you need that last sentence.
OR conerns My two OR concerns that I voiced in my original set of comments still apply.
Go through my comments and make sure you have addressed all of them. There are still a few noticeable things that you have not fixed or responded to.

Once again, it's amazing that you fixed this stuff so quickly--you seem to have a really great work ethic on these kinds of things! It's relatively close to passing. BenLinus 1214^talk 23:37, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BenLunis1214, I have addressed all of your issues and concerns raised. I feel the article has been greatly improved and was wondering if you could have another look at your GA review. The OR has been removed from the article as requested. Also, I don't believe "ref 2" is archived, but if you look at ref 16 in the reference section, I believe that the information there includes the details of the interview the info in "ref 2" was taken from. As said before, there aren't no links in there to the actual interview, as the website is no longer running itself. Thanks again! I look forward to hearing back from you. -- Metal121 (talk), 00:58, August 08, 2015 (GMT).

@Metal121: I just have one more thing--a few of your reviews don't seem to be significant viewpoints (the Dennis Schwartz and John Greco ones). Because they're not part of a broader reliable source and not notable on their own, why are their reviews included? Other than that, I can pass. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)^{talk to me!}_{see my work} 00:11, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BenLunis1214, everything should be fine now! All done. Thanks again. -- Metal121 (talk), 01:33, August 08, 2015 (GMT).

Well done. Pass.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

@Metal121: By the way, would you consider doing a quid pro quo review at GAN? I have several nominations up currently in the television section, and they don't seem like they're getting picked up. I would really appreciate it! They're all on Veronica Mars episodes. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)^{talk to me!}_{see my work} 03:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sure Johanna (aka BenLinus1214) I think that's totally fair. Give me a few hours and I'll start searching through your GA nominations! All the best, Martin. -- Metal121 (talk), 06:35, August 08, 2015 (GMT).