Talk:The Unit/Archive 1

Season 4 DVD release

I didn't add the S4 release date to the article, but is Amazon.com reliable enough to source it? [1] Spartan198 (talk) 20:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Mamet's Involvement

I'm just wondering. Does anyone know if Mamet simply serves as Exec Producer or if he's like Aaron Sorkin and has a hand in every episode? His IMDB entry isn't very clear. Firehawk12 05:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Broadcast in Mexico

This show is broadcast in Mexico by FOX channel in Cable and Satelite. It airs Mondays at 22:00, but I have no reference on when it premiered. http://www.mundofox.com/series/the_unit/ Zunito 04:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Ratings

What's the best way to mention the terrific ratings that 'The Unit' got? --Mercury1 17:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Provide proof. Link to Nielsen ratings or reports of said ratings. That's my $0.02 American... Rockhound 02:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

So are charts that take up a significant portion of the page really necessary? They seem so out of place, and I don't recall seeing this much space devoted to ratings for other shows. Perhaps just have links to these stats instead? Tomm007 (talk) 13:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Factual error

Just wanted to report one factual error I noticed in the show. I do not know if that could be incorporated into the article or not. In the Episode 10 of the Season 1, Jonas Blane (Dennis Haybert) tells the telephone operator that her original location where she is talking from is Peshawar, India. Peshawar is located in Pakistan not India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chewy81 (talk • contribs)

Another factual error is that the Army does not roll it's sleeves, either in BDU or ACU uniform. It is against regulations - Little Medic

True only Marines do that. However given the nature of a special ops unit and other diferences to the regular military (beard, civilian clothes, ...) it's not necceccarly a facual error. Still good catch. 1redrun ^Talk 10:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The Army does allow the rolling of the sleeves, but only if the outside portion is covering the rolled up portion. This is only in non-combat areas such as a Stateside post, etc. Arnabdas 20:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the Army doesn't allow it. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78832 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.144.134.2 (talk) 13:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Please refer to page 19 of AR 670-1, the uniform regs. "When soldiers wear the sleeves of the coat rolled up, the camouflage pattern will remain exposed. Personnel will roll the sleeves neatly above the elbow, no more than 3 inches above the elbow." You can roll your sleaves. Of course it was easier and looked better with the old BDUs. What style of BDUs were the characters wearing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.21.82 (talk) 23:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Colonel Ryan's rank vs. unit size: it's probably not the size but the type of unit, i.e. the type of command that matters. Given the worldwide responsibilities and chain of command, a colonel in command makes sense. An Army colonel is equivalent to a Navy captain, which is the billet for commanding a SEAL team, although that was upped from commander. An Army captain is equivalent to whatever is less than Lt. Commander in the Navy (I think). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 16:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

There is no hard and fast rule about company-sized units being commanded by a captain. Many companies are commanded by majors and I was in one commanded by a lieutenant colonel. The rank of the commander is set by TO&E based on mission, not on the size of the unit (I later commanded a 12-man unit myself as a lieutenant colonel). CsikosLo (talk) 02:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Since when is a SEAL Team commanded by an O6 and not an O5? Each team is still commanded by an O5, and in the Navy the rank of Lieutenant is O3. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 07:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Since I got it wrong. Looks like I misrembered something I read. I thought they had upped it to a captain's billet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 16:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Season 2 Episode ninteen it showed an alligator in Papua New Guinea there are no alligators in PNG, crocadiles are rampant though.

They just had an episode on where they are trying out a new NCO to join the team. Jonas's daughter (?) was on the show as a female infantry officer in the 101st Airborne Division. Infantry Branch is closed to women. CsikosLo (talk) 02:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

In one episode they were in Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay Tri-border-zone, it looked like Texas, Nevada etc, not like the forest and green environment there is down there. Olaversterk (talk) 00:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Link Correction

Changed 2 references to Special Forces to direct to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Army_Special_Forces as they are refering in that case to US Army Special Forces (Green Berets). I left one pointing to Special Forces as it is more a discussion about the missions and may be the more general use. --BenWoodruff 21:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

PDAs/cell phones

What type of PDAs/cell phones do the members of The Unit generally use? Might be an interesting piece of trivia. Also, is anyone familiar with what that exact "ringtone" is? I can't say it reminds me of any other cell phone.

The PDA Haysbert uses to track the UAV looks like it's a clean up iPAQ with no logo, might be wrong about that though. The ringtone does indeed sound familiar. I think it's from Splinter Cell, which might be another inside reference, since Haysbert actually did some voice acting for Splinter Cell K.satirli 07:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Watching an episode last night, looks like some are Motorola's --Mikecraig 22:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Cystal and Jeremy

These two characters have been in most episodes of the second season... shouldnt they be noted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulley (talk • contribs) 12:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

GREY AND WILLIAMS (RANK)

Grey and Williams are mid-level operators. They wouldn't have the same rank as Brown, a newbie to the Unit. Unless somebody has solid evidence I haven't seen proving that Williams and Grey aren't Sergeants First Class, I'm changing their rank to reflect their seniority to Brown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.174.190.247 (talk • contribs)

I removed their ranks altogether as it is unknown what their rank is. I don't recall it being mentioned in any of the episodes. -- Gogo Dodo 05:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree and was gonna say something about it... Nicht Nein! 09:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

They're all at least Sergeants, that's for sure. In s2e17 Jonas defines his replacement order as follows: Gerhardt, Grey, Williams and then Brown. Further on only Mack had one the opportunity to command a own squad but declined hence Grey and Williams are below Master Sergeant and probably above Staff Sergeant and probably Sergeants First Class. However either Grey and Williams have no rank prefix or both should have the generic Sergeant prefix. Now Grey has nothing and Williams just Sergeant. SoN --212.41.85.34 00:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

In s1e8 during interrogation Williams stated he was a Sergeant, yes this could just be writer mess up since in the episodes they are addressed as sergeant per Army way, but this is the only time where he would have be referred to as his actual rank. I did watch s2e17 last night and remember that statement well, but this is an unconventional unit and rank has little, and unit experience has more, to do with whom can better replace Blane and Gerhardt. Nicht Nein! 02:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Explain to me how the newbie to the team would have a higher rank than two seniors.

      -------  Because they quite sensibly recruited the lower ranks first

They're higher than Brown, lower than Gerhardt.

The only logical answer is Sergeant First Class.

And trivia tidbit-in the Army, all sergeants from E-5 to First Sergeant (E-8) are referred to as "sergeant." First Sergeants and Sergeants Major are called by their full rank.

      -------- Exceptionally when informally addressed as "Top"  Jonas is the Colonel's "Topkick"

Believe me-I know what I'm talking about. Grey and Williams are Sergeants First Class. Steven Hildreth, Jr. 19:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but just because you have real-life experience doesn't mean that you can definitively say what a television show is trying to do. For all we know they could completely eschew standard grade seniority in favour of their own system...we just don't know. It is precisely for that reason that Wikipedia demands that we only include information when it has been implicitely stated on the show or can be visually confirmed on the show (otherwise, this is called original research. I guarantee most people would agree with your summary of the situation, and I do as well (military as well), but it just isn't information we can use at this time. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 20:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Then what about the book which the show is based upon? It corroborates what I've explained. Steven Hildreth, Jr. 20:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

While the show is based on the book, they are not the same thing, and thus cannot be used as references for each other. It is based on the book, not a direct copy. I'm not trying to be a hardass, just trying to point out Wikipedia policy issues. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 20:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, if policy is dictating that editors can't use common sense, can we at least remove the rank from Williams altogether? I think, given the fact that they've only called him "Sergeant" and that we don't know what kind of sergeant he is, Williams and his dossier could be devoid of reference to rank altogether, like Grey's. Steven Hildreth, Jr. 00:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Williams' rank was not made Sergeant based on the way he is addressed, it is based on his answer during interrogation. A Lieutenant could enter the Unit and would still be a newbie to other old-timers. All Sergeants from Sergeant to Master Sergeant are addressed as Sergeant in the Army, so this would not be a good way to come about Williams' rank. Nicht Nein! 09:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

        ------- if everyone told the truth under interrogation, there would be no need for interrogation

I give up. I did learn one thing, though-bureaucracy and rules don't take into account what makes sense. Have fun editing the pages. Steven Hildreth, Jr. 04:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

You do not need to be senior in rank to be senior; your point is pretty childish in my opinion. It is a possibility that Grey and Williams are both E-7 but this is an encyclopedic entry, both can be at E-6 and still have seniority. As this is a TV show their rank might not have even been decided on yet. I agree that removing Williams rank would be a good idea since they could have messed up in the lines for that scene. Nicht Nein! 06:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

In Episode 2x17 Johnny B. Good, Blane refers to Grey and Williams as "Sergeants Grey and Williams." So if you're going to use the generic soldier title to give Williams rank, with this reference, you'll have to do the same with Grey.Steven Hildreth, Jr. 05:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

That is not the case "generic soldier title" was not used in determining Williams' rank. Nicht Nein! 21:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd hate to say I told you so with Williams, but...Steven Hildreth, Jr. 03:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

More like I told you so; this site is for verifiable fact, not belief. I also agreed that they are probably E7, but that we have not verified it on-screen or in publication. Now that they have given us what we wanted, it can be entered into the wiki entry. Nicht Nein! 10:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

It's a verifiable fact that Grey is an NCO. And I don't ever recall an episode of the show that had labeled Williams a buck sergeant, yet people here took that as a fact before the show debunked that. The only time I can think of them referring to Williams as "Sergeant Williams" was in a generic term. Same with Grey but nobody wanted to label him as such.

Whatever, though-water under the bridge. Steven Hildreth, Jr. 19:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I said that during interrogation he stated his rank as Sergeant. Nicht Nein! 09:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Williams is clearly seen wearing SFC in the season finale "Paradise Lost".

Yes, as I said "Now that they have given us what we wanted, it can be entered into the wiki entry.", I was referring to that scene. Nicht Nein! 00:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I should let sleeping dogs lay still but...

My conclusion from S2E17, when Jonas defines his replacement order, is that he lists the names by experience rather than by rank.

In the last episode of season 1, do we not see a document from the Department of the Army stating Mack's rank as Master Sergeant?

Is rank even relevant in an elite, covert unit such as the one depicted in the show? As Mark Bowden points out in Killing Pablo, operators can and do use ranks as part of their cover depending upon the dictates of a specific mission. In the case of Williams giving his rank during interrogation during the SERE episode, his statement arguably could have been a part of his maintaining his cover.

Sigaba 00:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)Sigaba

Grey's rank was shown in "Pandemonium, Part 1". During Ryan's hearing when the team photos were shown, Grey's rank was partially obscured, but the last two words were "First Class". I doubt he is a PFC. =) -- Gogo Dodo 17:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that on their screen, but that is still conjecture you know. This is obviously a joke by the show on the people of wikipedia. LoL Nicht Nein! 00:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it is now completely safe to say that Williams' rank was Sergeant First Class.Bunnygod888 03:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Been sure about Williams, but now we saw Grey wearing the insignia at the service. Nicht Nein! 15:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

DUDE! GREY AND WILLIAMS ARE SARGEANT FIRST CLASS! WATCH PLAY 16 AT THE END WILLIAM'S AND GREY'S UNIFORMS ARE VISIBLE

24 related trivia

During an episode in Season 1, the team is tasked with the mission to protect a guy named "Salazar". The funny thing is that a person named "Ramon Salazar" was one of the adversaries of Dennis Haysbert in Season 3 of "24". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_%28season_3%29 . I think this should be worked into the article too.K.satirli 07:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Unless we have a statement from one of the creative people on one of these shows that says that there is a relationship, we can't put it in. Val42 02:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

It's trivia. I'm not saying there is a relationship, it's probably just a little easter egg they put in. The only thing that is really confirmed is that Haysbert appears in both shows. K.satirli 07:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

And Wikipedia guidelines discouraged trivia sections... let's not add to it. Mduell2 21:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Season 3

Any word on a season 3 or cancellation? Cburnett 01:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Nothing so far, but it's a pretty safe bet, gaining high ratings all the time K.satirli 16:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The intro for the season 3 is different. does anyone know what song they use for the opening titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.132.27 (talk) 08:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

"Walk The Fire", and it's pretty good actually. But sadly it's not a whole song yet.

Somebody updated the page saying that season three will be back on the 29th using a fan-site as a reference. Is that really enough evidence for wikipedia? Wikired5 (talk) 03:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Its a re-run on the 29th according to this - Tmaull (talk) 17:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Goofs

In S02x02 after 38 minutes, when the team rescues their "fallen" comrade, a camera man is clearly visible on the right hand side of the screen. K.satirli 15:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

In episode 15 of season 2 ("The Water is Wide"), The flag of the German Democratic Republic is seen in front of the United Nations building. Unfortunately - for a series set in 2007 - the GDR hasn't been existing since 1990. 1redrun 09:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Are goofs/program mistakes really necessary? I mean there is many many articles on tv series and from what ive seen, this is the only tv series article that has this section. V* Discharge (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Season 2, Episode 16 is set in Hamburg, Germany. The residential buildings shown have basements accessible from the street. Such buildings are a common sight in London, UK, but not at all in Hamburg. 2009-05-06.

Season 3, Episode 11 is set in London, UK. One scene shows Jonas Blane helping the wife of his British MI5 friend with her groceries in her kitchen. The groceries have been packed into a brown paper bag, typical of grocery packaging in the USA, but not common in the UK. Most supermarket groceries in London would be packed and carried in plastic bags. 2009-05-06.

Fort Griffith

...Is in Missouri.

Watch Episode 2x23, the scene where Kim Brown makes contact with the CIA man. Study the license plates. They are Missouri license plates and they are all over the cars in the immediate parking lot.

Now, on a military base, you see license plates of all sorts. But with how heavily concentrated the amount of Missouri license plates were, I think it's safe to theorize within the article that Fort Griffith is somewhere in Missouri.

Screenshots can be made available on request.

Steven Hildreth, Jr. 19:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Keyword: "theorize". Does not ever belong in a Wikipedia article. As always, see WP:OR. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 19:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Forth Griffith is probably in Missouri. In the season one finale, when Jonas discovers that his wife has used their savings to replace funds stolen from the investment club, the computerized bank statement has "MO 63021" in the Blaines' address

Sigaba 00:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)Sigaba

The Unit in Germany

The weekly schedule of the unit in Germany is now thursdays. But I don't know the exact time. --85.176.62.177 19:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

The Unit's new time slot is 11:10 pm to 0:10 am (CET). Several websites commenting on the new time slot suggest The Unit isn't doing to well in Germany ("lower single digit quotas" - Translated from: http://www.dwdl.de/article/news_11423,00.html). The Unit has also been critisised by German newspapers (http://www.tagesspiegel.de/medien-news/Medien;art290,2059392). I'm actualy suprised The Unit got picked up in Germany to begin with. It seems the pro-US-Military angle The Unit takes isn't to popular with the German audience. I also suppose age ratings prohibit SAT1 from airing The Unit earlier than 10 pm. 1redrun 09:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I just finished watching season 1 and I got to say it´s not the "pro-US-Military angle" that disappoints me, it´s just boring. The article makes the same point: Just another agents/soldier vs. terrorists tv series.Markus Becker02 (talk) 01:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't really believe that anti-us-military-resentiments are really the problem. If that were the case, 24 wouldn't be so popular (yeah, it is not Military per se, but …) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.95.26.194 (talk) 12:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm from Germany and I watch it in english and german I think the unit isn't well-known here in Germany. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.245.33.145 (talk) 13:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Chain of Command

I am not so sure that COL Ryan reports directly to the President. After all, all that hoopla with the Lt. General in Season 2 finale shows that there is some break between Ryan and the Commander in Chief doesn't it? Arnabdas 21:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Watching "In Loco Parentis" the other night, it showed him talking to the President regarding the US soil hostage situation. Maybe he was calling from the White House Siutation Room and he is giving the orders to the Colonel from there? Is that the norm? Does the NSC/National Security Advisor normally give the missions/green light instead of the President directly? --Mikecraig 22:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Weapons ?

Can some one list the weapons used by the unit members --Max Mayr 21:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Check out the IMFDB article on the show at this link: [2] Spartan198 (talk) 15:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

Season 2 - Region 4 (Australia)

Hi, does anyone know when the Season 2 set will be released for Region 4? --Mikecraig 22:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

New theme

I love the new theme song!! I want to know who sings and if they m,ade a full version of it. Does anyone know either of the above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.1.40 (talk) 05:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The new theme song is terrible. Note to producers, either change it back to the original theme song or make something much better —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.132.27 (talk) 06:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I like it much better; I hated the old cadence. Nicht Nein! 11:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

JONAS BLANE RANK (SGM and not CSM)

Please note that Jonas Blane rank is Sergeant Major (SGM) and not Command Sergeant Major (CSM). This is clearly stated in the show more than once. When Blane wears the uniform with ranks (Army Green Uniform or ACU - Army Combat Uniform) his rank insignias are always the Sergeant Major ones.

A Command Sergeant Major (CSM) is never in charge of small tactical teams like the one shown in The Unit. It is instead correct using the rank of Sergeant Major (SGM) for the SNCOIC (Senior Non-Commissioned Office in Charge) of the team as represented in the TV show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.216.232.145 (talk • contribs)

You don't seem to understand that this is not a "small tactical team" but a 'command' and he would not wear his actual rank insignia because that would prompt questions such as "what command are you the command sergeant major of?" Fiddling with uniforms for operational purposes is not unheard of.

In the opening episode of the season he stated his rank as Command Sergeant Major; "I am Command Sergeant Major Jonas Blane". He might have taken a promotion some time between the last time it was recorded he was Sergeant Major.

I don't think it is smart to bring up real life protocol, etcetera, to back up something in a TV show that has been contradicted on screen. Mistakes are always made, whether it be deliberately or accidental. It is a TV show.

During the service on a non wide-screen representation I can barely see Jonas' rank insignia in full, it does look like SGM insignia, but I can't be sure. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 18:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Figures, I just deleted the episode off my DVR. Anyways, I can confirm the above that Jonas states his rank as CSM and one certainly think that he would know his own rank. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Gogo Dodo, in the last episodes Jonas is always called SGM and not CSM. I know this is a TV show but in more than one occurence the rank as shown on-screen is SGM and not CSM. I have the last HDTV episode, 3.8 (Play 16) and the rank is SGM. I do not recall the opening episode of season 3 but I think the evidence for SGM is stronger (on screen image). Please have a look again at episode 3.8 - the scene of the service in the church - and you will clearly see the SGM rank. I will stop correcting the article until you have seen the evidence and you are genuinely convinced that Jonas rank is SGM. If needed I can upload the on-screen evidence of Jonas rank. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.166.15 (talk) 10:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I am convinced they might have made a mistake in Jonas' lines, but I also am convinced that they might have not updated his "costume" for such a "small" scene. I think it would be a good idea anyway to upload a picture of him during the service, whether or not it is for convincing; though I am convinced he was wearing SGM insignia.

Also, regularly, people that should know better address Jonas as Sergeant. Inside his command and out. This is a mistake in writing and not a sign of blatant disregard for custom. I would not be surprised if they meant for Jonas to be CSM but were still writing in for him to be addressed as SGM. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 16:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, continuity errors. It happens. I watched the episode on CBS and there is indeed one since the rank on Jonas' uniform does appear to be SGM. However, as noted above he stated his rank as CSM. To "fix" this problem, I added in the continuity error note. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

As far as continuity goes I think speaking his rank out loud has greater bearing than going on his uniform. Also, this isn't the place, but I've been trying to get this understood for awhile: Is Command Sergeant Major the equal of Master Gunnery Sergeant, or is Master Gunnery Sergeant as to Sergeant Major(Army)? 70.129.159.159 17:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that speaking has more bearing than uniform, that is why I had changed it.

Command Sergeant Major is to Sergeant Major (USMC), as Sergeant Major (Army) is to Master Gunnery Sergeant. In the Marine Corps, you have Gunnery Sergeant, Master Sergeant, Master Gunnery Sergeant. At E7 in your fitrep you specify whether or not you wish you be selected for the command route or technical route. For the command route you would go to become a First Sergeant and then be locked in that track, later to become a Sergeant Major if promoted to E9. In the Army it is not as strict since you can be promoted laterally or "diagonally" but you have First Sergeant (Command) and then Command Sergeant Major (Command) as well as Master Sergeant (Technical) and then Sergeant Major (Technical) depending on promo track. --< Nicht Nein! 01:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

One thing to keep in mind when the operators give their ranks is the context. At the drop of a hat, they will give false names, ranks, units, and even services if doing so will advance the mission.Sigaba (talk) 18:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Command Sergeant Major is a position, not a rank. Both are E-9. Certain levels of CSM certainly wear different chevrons from "regular" SGM's, but there are noncoms designated as CSM's who don't wear the insignia; sometimes the CSM position is filled by First or Master Sergeants. With "The Unit" being as small as it is, around 130 soldiers, it's CSM wouldn't wear the special insignia. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Major#United_States_Army . Chuck Hamilton (talk) 22:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

The grade of E-9 is not a rank, it is a grade. Those NCOs are just filling the billet and are acting in that capacity. As for the "Jonas being the Unit's CSM" theory, read the section below this titled "Jonas's Rank". That was their theory as well. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 22:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

You'll notice I never said E-9 was a rank. It's a pay grade. CSM and SM are the same grade but not the same rank. However, CSM can be eith a rank or a position, or both. In the Navy, however, enlisted persons do not have ranks, they have rates. Chuck Hamilton (talk) 22:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Size of the unit

I have changed the size of the unit from ( 60 to 250 ) into 130 operators based on what Col.Ryan told Molly on episode 6 of season 1 --Blain Toddi (talk) 22:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Jonas's Rank

There was no discrepancy with regards to Jonas's rank. The earlier editor said that Blane indicated he was a Sargent Major and then stated he was a Command Sargent Major. The two are not mutually exclusive. Every command unit has a highest ranking enlisted person. This is what Command Sargent Major means. Joan is a Sargent Major in rank; and holds the title of Command Sargent Major within his unit as he is the senior enlisted person of that command. 206.125.176.3 (talk) 14:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

That is an interesting assumption, but that is not the case; he is not "the unit's" Command Sergeant Major. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 14:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

  Command Sergeant Major is a rank, not a title.  There is a difference between a unit and a command.  Given that a full colonel
  is in charge, "the unit" is probably a "command".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 05:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC) 

Oh really; then who is? All indications are that he is the senior enlisted man in the unit. Any proof that he is not? Does Jonas take any orders from any other enlisted personnel? The only orders that he takes that I'm aware of are from Col. Ryan or the President in a few episodes. 206.125.176.3 (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Review the Trivia section of The Unit page to find out who is the last documented CSM of the 303rd. Also, he wouldn't need to be taking orders from the principle NCO. That is not the way "the Unit" works. Furthermore, I doubt they would want to introduce a new character just for a few functions every other episode; why do you think they "deleted" Hector? Not enough screen time for five members! --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 07:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

False Rumor?

The CBS website and official site of The Unit do not mention anything about the show's return on April 29, 2008. I believe mention of this should be removed. Another piece of news that does not alllude to the show's return this spring: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/04/the-unit-may-re.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.111.54.57 (talk) 00:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed that particular item as the CBS schedule proves that false. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Spoiler

Why is there info regarding the fate of Williams without any spoiler warning or anything? This seems in bad faith as it can ruin it for someone who has just started watching the programme and wanted to read this page. Whoever put that there should be ashamed of themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.236.59 (talk) 02:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

When you read a Wikipedia article on a movie you should probably be prepared for spoilers... --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 04:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I see. I wonder what the spoiler warning tag exists for then? You see it on many movie sites warning about spoilers approaching. Were you aware of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.20.224 (talk) 22:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

While other sites use spoiler warnings, they are not in use on Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Spoiler. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Ranks

what alot of you are missing about the ranks is this

these guys are supposed to be special forces, therefore ranks are pretty irrelevant. If you take The SAS, ina team ranks are irrelevant, if you are a sgt or cpl and you are more experienced then you will lead captains etc etc

its how it is.

andfor someone to say snake doctor is a sgt major and then he said command sgt major......there really is no argument here. all that says is he is the command sgt major...its not a new rank.

its equivalent to the household cavalry having a rank called corporal of the horse......he is basically a corporal to the rest of the army.

I suggest some of you read up a little on the military before posting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.188.138.130 (talk) 11:26, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Are you trying to make yourself look stupid or looking to get people to argue with you? Don't they call that Trolling? --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 22:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

not at all, I just think far too many wannabes watch these programs without a clue as to what is reality or not in the military. TV makes mistakes but as budgets get bigger for TV over the last few years and production quality is higher than ever, TV programs tend to get as close as they can to the real life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.188.138.130 (talk) 08:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Well the little bit of knowledge you have, seems to be localized to the Household Cavalry of the British Army; I suggest you broaden your knowledge before posting. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 21:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

more factual errors

In "Morale, Welfare and Recreation" the communicationresearcher is supposed to speak chinese but he doesn't. They also refer to China while they talk about "going back to Taipeh", which is in China, but in the Republic of China, while the show is about the peoples republic of china —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.14.204.146 (talk) 15:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

"The Broom Cupboard" seasons 2 episode 12

on those episode I tried to find Madalu southeast asia, but I can't find it, but on those episode the native talk in bahasa or in malay but it more in bahasa than malay, that's make me think this happen or took place in Indonesian, Brunei, Malaysian or Singapore but after search it trough internet I can't find country / region nor distric with those name. do the Madalu is a pun country? when you hear the Bob brown speak to local security, when senator is missing, he said, "do you think earthquake who destroy yours country friend", after he said that I think the country they speak is Indonesia, since for this decade, there is the big earth quake is at Indonesia, not in malay, Brunei nor singapore Pinto Sjafri (talk) 21:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Program Mistakes

Should this section be included in the article? It doesn't seem very Wiki-ish, more like imdb. It just seems out of place in a formal setting such as this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomm007 (talk • contribs) 05:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it probably should go or be incorporated somewhere else. — BQZip01 — ^talk 19:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Incorporate it. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 20:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

No need to catch people's eye and ruin the show for them

There was a symbol, a eye-catching cross symbol, located on the main page next to a main character's name that shows that they died during the show. This doesn't belong on the main page so someone can simply glance at the shows wikipedia page without being having the show spoiled for them. If they wanted spoilers, they'd google 'The Unit Spoilers'. The page is meant to be a quick plot summary, ratings, some other general info, and not an obituary for characters that have died. That stuff can be mentioned on the individual character's page.

I have removed all mentions of character's deaths on this page in accordance to wikipedia's policies and respect for the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJoak (talk • contribs) 05:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I reverted your changes, you might want to check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler Dbrodbeck (talk) 12:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

However, when including spoilers, editors should make sure that an encyclopedic purpose is being served. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information — articles on a work of fiction should primarily describe it from a real-world perspective, discussing its reception, impact and significance.

Hector is not an important character, and his death needs not be mentioned on the show's page. There was no real reception, impact or significance, therefore there cannot be any article discussing its reception, impact, or significance. Posting the death is quite worthless. A majority of characters during the shows Alias, 24, and The Shield, yet you won't see ANY CHARACTER deaths posted on the main page, why should the unit be any different? Either they all have main character deaths listed, or none do. Having deaths listed on The Unit but no other show maks zero sense. 173.2.253.166 (talk) 08:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

He was on the show for 2.5 seasons right? He was one of the operators in the unit right? That seems pretty major to me. I am going to revert your reversion... and see if a consensus develops here. Then, of course, we can go alon with that consensus. Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

We don't list character deaths on any show's main page, even main character deaths. There is no reason for it other then to discourage users of wikipedia from looking at a TV Series page in fear of having the plot ruined in a single symbol (the cross). Either add main character deaths to every television show or leave this one alone, there is no good reason to start here.TheJoak (talk) 09:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Well there are other show's pages that do list main character deaths. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Not any primetime ones with plenty to talk about, and not that I know of. In addition, a cross is never used. You guys need to either establish that all wikipedia pages should mention main character deaths on the main page, or none of them. TheJoak (talk) 23:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello TheJoak, you seem to be the only registered user here that is bothered by this, there is no consensus to keep making the changes you are making, please, until there is one, refrain from it. Spoilers are not the concern of wikipedia. Thanks. Dbrodbeck (talk) 01:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Why are you so keen on keeping the character's deaths here. Wikipedia policy states that wikipedia is not a random jumble of information, that means that character deaths do not belong. They aren't on ANY other main show, why do you want it added here. You'll need consensus of the Wikipedia community to change wikipedia policy in order to allow for character deaths to be on the main page. Following that, you'll need to add all the main character deaths to the hundreds of other television shows on Wikipedia. Either start adding every character's death to every show, or leave this alone. Check the history logs of this page and you'll see that the character death listing wasn't added with consensus, it doesn't need consensus to be removed. Therefore you'll need to establish consensus in order to add it to the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJoak (talk • contribs) 03:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Please stop removing it. There is no policy preventing the listing of character deaths in fiction articles. Either provide a link to such policy or stop claiming that such a policy exists. I believe that your interpretation of WP:INDISCRIMINATE is overly broad in this case. To call Hector's death a "random jumble of information" is reaching as his death is hardly "random". Your contention that consensus was never gained to add it to the page and therefore it should be removed is also flawed. Consensus does not have to be reached upon every single item added to an article. Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The Unit's Original run

Can we please not put that The Unit has ended. Yes, all the newspapers are saying it has, but CBS has not confirmed It. It's like saying ghosts actually exist but the evidence is rubbish. -- BenBrehaut (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC).

It doesn't have announced on CBS itself in order for it to be a reliable source, e.g. [3]. It's dead, Jim. Tarc (talk) 18:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

And it's back to life again - in syndication. Info added and ref provided. Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up on another network or cable net. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:42, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

It's fully and completely dead. The "Syndication" story was regarding rerun syndication, not first-run new episodes. Gbondy (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Ambiguous comma

The caption for the emblem image said "The Department of the U.S. Army emblem, occasionally thought to be the 303rd's Unit Insignia" even though the emblem was definitely NOT the emblem of the Department of the U.S. Army. Here the phrase "that is" must be implied between "emblem" and "occasionally," and the way to do that is with a space rather than a comma. I lack the patience to see whether other misleading commas have been introduced into the article. --Unitary007 (talk) 17:50, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Cool Breeze's callsign

I was just watching Season 1 and noticed that Cool Breeze had a callsign of "Moreno" in the episode "Dedication". Right now this is WP:OR, but I thought I'd mention it, so that interested editors (which includes me) can look for references. I haven't seen any other mention of it on WP yet. • CinchBug • 23:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

If it's in the show it isn't original research, just source the episode with {{Cite episode}} and it can go in. _Xeworlebi ^(t•c) 06:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Callsigns

In Switchblade (S04E11), I think two new callsigns have been assigned: "Buckboard" to Jonas and "Dutchman" to Mack. Am I confused, or what? Octane ^{[improve me?]} 17.01.09 1523 (UTC)

They don't always use their assigned callsigns. In certain missions they use others. I assume it is to deter others from finding out their real military positions.

The Unit's Official Name

About the onscreen readout specifically identifying The Unit, I'm fairly certain that "ALPHA Team" is referring specifically to Jonas Blane's team, so I'm suggesting that maybe that sentence should have "ALPHA Team" lopped off and just read as follows:

In the third season's premiere, an onscreen read-out specifically identifies the unit as "1st Special Actions Group".

Any objections? Spartan198 (talk) 16:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Movie

Dennis Haysbert has bought the rights to Eric Haney's books and was planning a movie or several. Should this be mentioned? And does anyone else have anymore news about this?

A Unit movie would be awesome. Source? Spartan198 (talk) 16:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

http://www.delainadixon.com/blog/?p=2705&cpage=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannyexpo (talk • contribs) 16:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Rangers/Infantry BlueCord

It says in the piece that since they are Rangers not infantry, they don't wear the blue cord. I believe that to be patently false. 75th Ranger Regiment is an infantry regiment, you do wear the blue cord due to that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.177.47.225 (talk) 02:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

You are correctKnightsoftheWhiteCamelia (talk) 01:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Premise - Delta Force?

In the show the cast make numerous references to being Rangers. Do they ever refer to themselves as being Delta Force? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.248.62 (talk) 17:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

No not in the show but the Show is based of a book writing about Delta Force. I hope that helps if you have any more questions just let me know.--Steam Iron 19:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Jonas did use the name Delta once in the episode "Morale, Welfare, and Recreation", but not in direct reference to himself or his team. The exact line spoken by him was "Flag the following: Navy SEALs, Rangers, Army Ordinance Disposal, Deltas, CIA, Special Projects. Look for any and all building personnel with military backgrounds." Spartan198 (talk) 14:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Does Delta refer to themselves as such? Is there in fact any such unit? Yes, I know there is a USGOV website outlining the requirements to apply for selection to Delta. So what. I'm just saying, if you know the name, it's probably not being used anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.59 (talk) 03:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (1st SFOD-D) is there official name. Would you be able to walk into their building? Most likely not because it's also most likely hidden much like the book and the tv show describe. The "303rd Logistical Studies Unit" is their cover name, and I doubt anyone not in the military knows the true cover names of the actual Delta Force units. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.70.71 (talk) 00:57, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Picture caption

"The Department of the U.S. Army emblem occasionally thought to be the 303rd's unit Insignia", there are episodes that show the front of the building, with the logo, if that's the same logo, we should remove the "occasionally thought" part of the sentence, since it either is, or is not, the logo for The Unit. If it can't be shown to be correct, we should either replace the picture with something else, or remove it. Thoughts? -- Despayre  ^{tête-à-tête} 23:12, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Bob's callsign

He was also referred to as "Moreno" in some early episodes (Dedication comes to mind, right off the top of my head). Spartan198 (talk) 14:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed, 17:25 of the episode. Added to article. -- Despayre  ^{tête-à-tête} 16:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)