Talk:The Ultimate Fighter: China

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Do we write names Asian style or English style?[edit]

We have Dong Hyun Kim and Kazuki Tokudome, but also Cheng Albert and Ning Guangyou. Basically, all the newbs are backwards (to me), and the UFC fighters are frontwards. We should pick one. Probably English, since that's how the articles are titled on en.wiki. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:21, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • I was going to create this one. Those pages usually show that the names are anglicized though this one doesn't because they're written the right away. According to the official reference, the names are written like this: http://www.ufc.com/news/tuf-china-cast-announcement#i=5. I believe we should stick to it, though I'm sure that guys like Albert have their names already anglicized. We could change them to the right order. The same goes for one fighter that actually is called Rocky Lee (he's the one named Chunhan Lee). If the show was taped and produced by Americans, it would probably look anglicized. I think we should display them the Chinese style then. When the names are anglicized,, they have signs that tell us that the name is in "western" style. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's the other way around: On English Wikipedia, Eastern names are the exception and hatnoted as such. See Zhang Tiequan, for example (or as he is here, Tiequan Zhang). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:17, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that this page provides the right information for this situation: Chinese names originated the Eastern ordering of names, where the family name precedes the given name. A boy called Wei (伟) and belonging to the Zhang (张) family – currently China's most common single name – is called "Zhang Wei" and not "Wei Zhang" (unless he is travelling abroad). It is standard for the Chinese to address one another – especially those with two-character names – by using full names. So normally, Zhang Wei would be formally addressed as "Mr. Zhang" and informally as "Zhang Wei" – never as "Wei" or "Mr. Wei". With that info and the fact that the show is Chinese and taped there, we should probably stick to the Chinese order. I added a info right before the fighters name announcing that they're written in Asian style so it avoids confusion. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 04:52, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in mind, this Chinese-aired show is only temporary; when the finalists fight in the "real" UFC, history strongly suggests they will be named just like Zhang, Le, Kim, Lim, Tokudome and every other UFC Asian. It will become their WP:COMMONNAME. May as well get a headstart on it, because we'd likely just change it here (at least for the winners) once that happens.
Also, the info you shared is correct, but in the context of the real world. Wikipedia has its own sets of rules and standards, including using names which reflect independent secondary sources. Sherdog is probably the foremost such source (judging from Google rankings), and names these guys exclusively Western style. I'll try and weigh out how they're used in the other big English outlets. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:16, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you. At least for the show page we could keep them like this, but I have no problem if a fighter page or when they have their names written in possible fight cards are displayed in an anglicized form. I'm almost 100% with the idea of turning Cheng Albert to Albert Cheng. That's probably how he's registered as he is Canadian but then it would look very confusing with the other fighters from the cast. Shall we keep them like this only for the TUF China page and even though we have the Finale card added in that page, their names should definitely be displayed in a anglicized form at the official fight card. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 05:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, articles about one fighter can go either way, I don't mind. It's the inconsistency that bugs me most here. If we were to use Eastern order, we'd need to flip the coaches, too. As for Albert, the consistent thing to do would be calling him Chang Kang. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From the first three Google pages, Sherdog, Tapology, ESPN and Fighterology (not sure if that's an acceptable source) use Guangyou Ning for his profile. Mixedmartialarts.com uses Ning Guangyou. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should keep it like it this now according to the main reference and keep the info that the fighters names are written in Chinese order. The ones that make it to the finale card will have their names written in a anglicized version so if a person looks for his name, he'll find the page and notice that the fighter participated of the show. About the coaches, if you feel that we also need to change the order... I'm fine. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 05:41, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The official UFC source is still different from our usage. Albert Cheng, Rocky Lee and Allen Chong are forward. But they use the three-name Chinese style, like Fu Chang Xin and Wu Qi Ze, and two-name like Wang Sai, Shih Liang. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Now we're jiving with them. A little confusing, maybe, but we aren't really free to reinterpret the primary source, or pick and choose among the secondaries. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fight Night numbering[edit]

The UFC is referring to the TUF China finale as "Fight Night: Kim vs. Hathaway", suggesting that it's a Fight Night event. It's the same with the TUF Nations finale with Bisping and Kennedy. Similarly, the TUF Brazil and TUF Smashes finale events were listed as "UFC on FX" or "UFC on FUEL", rather than as "The Ultimate Fighter Finale" like with the U.S. editions. Therefore, I think both foreign TUF finales should be counted in the numbered series of Fight Night events. Personally, I don't like usage of the numbers, and neither does UFC, but MMA websites do still use them and it's clear that most people on Wikipedia want to refer to them. Anyway, I changed the pages of all Fight Night events from TUF China finale onwards to include the finales in the numbering system, but Ppt1973 undid the edits. 82.3.69.175 (talk) 04:59, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree they should be kept in the same way as they have been..86.19.151.163 (talk) 18:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

TV coverage of the March 1st fights in the USA? United States[edit]

Does basic cable (such as Fox Sports 1) ever show these events on TV in the States when they are held in the far east? I've noticed that every time UFC fight Night is in the far eastern hemisphere, I'm not able to find coverage of it on television here. Any TV coverage of this event at all here in the States?

They've only stopped broadcasting since Saffediene vs Lim. The others were aired, but early (or late, depending when you sleep). Easy to miss. But no, now you need Fight Pass (or the "darkside" of the Internet) for all but the North American Fight Nights. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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