Talk:The Strange Remain

Name Change

"The Other Ones" did not simply later change their name to "The Dead." There are notable and significant lineup differences between the bands known by these monikers. While Hart, Lesh and Weir are part of both bands, The Dead included Kreutzmann and Chimenti, but not Molo, Hornsby, Kimock nor Karan. JSC ltd (talk) 19:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually this is an interesting question. In hindsight I should have looked here at the talk page before I undid your recent edit a minute ago. My initial reaction though is that The Dead really is the same band as The Other Ones, but with a different name. For most but not all of the time, it was Weir, Lesh, Hart, and also Kreutzmann, with an evolving lineup of other musicians. So I still think the article should say that they changed their name. I'm open to further discussion though, with you or anyone else. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 23:16, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

"P.S". Check out this article from the February 12, 2003 San Francisco Chronicle, it seems to support the idea that the Other Ones and the Dead were the same band that decided to change their name: "Marin Icons Now the Dead". — Mudwater ^(Talk) 11:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Order of musicians

This edit changed the order of musicians in the Personnel section to alphabetical, with an edit summary that says, in part, "Styling per relevant style guide." However I am looking at the Album Article Style Guide Personnel section, and it says nothing about alphabetical order. Nor should it. In most cases it's preferable to list the musicians in the same order they are credited in the album liner notes. For example, in this article, Weir, Lesh, and Hart are listed first, second and third, respectively. They got top billing when the band performed, as former members of the Grateful Dead, and they also got top billing on the album. For some album articles alphabetical order might be preferable, but not for most and not for this one. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 10:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Style Huh. I could have sworn it said something about alphabetical order—I wrote it. Note that all of the examples given are in alphabetical order; that's not by accident. Alphabetizing is a standardized and non-arbitrary way of listing that doesn't impose some artificial hierarchy on performers (e.g. singer, then guitarist, then bassist, then drummer is common for rock music). The order in which performers are listed in liner notes is hardly incumbent upon an encyclopedia. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)