Talk:The Stolen Eagle/GA1

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Reviewer: TRLIJC19 (talk · contribs) 04:28, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Initial comment
    • At a start, there are no reasons to quickfail; fairly obviously, this article is in good shape.
  • Infobox
    • Any reason the caption is emboldened?
  • Lead
    • "Written by series creator Bruno Heller and directed by Michael Apted, the episode first aired in the United States' HBO on August 28, 2005, and on BBC in the United Kingdom and Ireland on November 2. -- MOS:ACRO says "Unless specified in one of the two tables below, an acronym or initialism should be written out in full the first time it is used on a page, followed by the abbreviation in brackets (e.g. Millennium Development Goals (MDGs))." That said, the table specifies that BBC does not need to be written out in full, but HBO does (Home Box Office).
  •  Done (I wrote out both for consistency) Ruby 2010/2013 22:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Heller chose to centre the series from the perspectives of two common soldiers, similar to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern." -- Is it supposed to be "center", or no? This article is about a British show, so perhaps that is a British English word?
      • Just dropping by to say that "centre" is, in fact, the British spelling of the word.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 03:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "HBO described its marketing strategy as "its largest, most aggressive for a new series,"" -- Per MOS:LQ, the closing quote should be inside the comma.
  • Actually, WP:LQ says "...maintaining their original positions in (or absence from) the quoted material." The punctuation falls within the quoted line in the original source, so its position is appropriate here. Ruby 2010/2013 22:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Plot
    • Per WP:TVPLOT, "summaries for episode articles should be about 200 to 500 words". That said, this article's plot section is 1065 words. Please filter out some content.
  • I have trimmed the plot to ~700 characters, which I feel is a sufficient length. Keep in mind that this is an article about a one-hour television pilot, which typically has more detail than others. Ruby 2010/2013 22:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The day after the siege, Vercingetorix, "King of all the Gauls," is brought before Julius Caesar and made to surrender. -- MOS:LQ, put comma outside of closing quote.
  • The length is fine now, but is there any reason the section is so split up? There are 6 short paragraphs, when it could easily be fit into 3-4 at most.
  • Much better.
  • Cast
    • Any reason for the existence of this section? I've never seen an entire cast list at an episode article.
  • Yeah, it was here before I began editing it and I wasn't sure if it was useful or not. I've now removed it. Ruby 2010/2013 22:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conception and writing
    • "It would have been a disgrace to lose it." -- Is this supposed to have quotes around it? If not, it breaches WP:NPOV and WP:OR, and should be removed.
  • I've removed it and added clarifying statement ("While the storyline detailing its theft was based on fiction,..."). Ruby 2010/2013 02:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Brutus' great great great grandfather "drove the last king out of Rome,"" -- Closing quote should be inside comma per MOS:LQ.
  •  Done (changed punctuation to reflect original quote). Ruby 2010/2013 02:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Casting
    • "Ciarán Hinds was cast as Julius Caesar, though he first thought it "silly" to be offered the part." -- This is improper grammar. Either (a) add "was" after "it" or (b) change "thought" to "considered", "deemed", or "found".
  • Filiming
    • "The series was given a budget of $100 million (£58 million), the largest both HBO and BBC had ever devoted to a series." -- Link HBO and BBC (don't forget to write out HBO in full again - it's the first mention of the channel in the article body).
    • "The season premiere as well as the rest of the series was shot on a huge set considered "to be the biggest and most expensive ever built for television."" -- MOS:LQ again (put closing quote inside period.
  • Same response as above. The period falls after television, thus the quote's punctuation should reflect this. Ruby 2010/2013 22:38, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Heller was responsible for writing the pilot's voice-over, despite his dislike of the task." -- Voice-over is a common term and should probably be unlinked.
    • "A later scene featuring Cicero the Younger in the Senate proved difficult to film because of the large number of Italian extras who did not speak English. In the DVD audio commentary, he remarked that "this is one of those scenes where you need really great assistant directors, because all of these Italian extras who have no idea whatsoever what [Cicero's] saying, so to keep them interested and focused and concentrated on what's going on is a real trick."" -- Same goes with extras, audio commentary, and assistant directors.
  • Marketing
    • "Referring to its marketing plan as "its largest, most aggressive push for a new series," HBO broadcast the first three episodes seven days a week at various times during the day. -- MOS:LQ (put closing quote inside comma).
    • ""You're trying to show it in a way that [doesn't look like] a history lesson but a fictional story about two guys working for Caesar's army and how history unfolds around them. That it's not just people walking around in nice clean togas." -- Why is there no closing quote?
  • I've removed all quotation marks from this. Ruby 2010/2013 22:38, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Critical reception
    • "Morrow also believed the episode suffered from lacking one "standout, signature character,"" -- Closing quote should be inside comma (MOS:LQ).
  •  Done Ruby 2010/2013 02:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC) (unlike above quotes, this one had punctuation outside quote). Ruby 2010/2013 02:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Paul English of The Daily Record stated that "Rome is visually dazzling, full of vim and tantalisingly seductive," and opined that "McKidd's growling turn as Ceasar's footsoldier Lucius Vorenus will undoubtedly propel him into the US major league."" -- The prose is choppy with two 'and's so close. Perhaps rewrite to: "Paul English of The Daily Record stated that "Rome is visually dazzling, full of vim and tantalisingly seductive," writing that "McKidd's growling turn as Ceasar's footsoldier Lucius Vorenus will undoubtedly propel him into the US major league.""
  • References
    • I was unable to do a full spotcheck of the sources, due to lots of {{subscription required}} tags. That said, the hopeful lack of copyright vios and WP:SYNTH is on the honor system.
    • FN12: Don't "shout" in references. (Note: The comments about citations are not mandatory; it is not a GA requirement.)
    • FN19: Don't "shout" in references.
    • FN21: Don't "shout" in references.
    • FN24: Don't "shout" in references.
    • FN26: Don't "shout" in references.

I am placing this on-hold for 7 days for the above issues to be addressed. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for the thorough review! I believe I have addressed or replied to all of your concerns. Let me know if there is anything else. Ruby 2010/2013 02:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

With everything having been addressed, this article now fulfills the good article criteria, and is being promoted. Good job to the nominator and other significant contributors. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for reviewing! Ruby 2010/2013 03:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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