Talk:The Deed of Paksenarrion

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Kingdoms[edit]

The article says that the book "..takes place in a fictional medieval world comprised of kingdoms of humans, dwarves, and elves.". There are also gnomes obviously, but they figure very little into the story. Is it worth adding them, or would it just confuse the issue? 216.107.211.105 19:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Religion[edit]

Since Elizabeth Moon is a beliving episcopalian, i doubt she would write a novel with strong Mormon themes. Instead of "becoming a god," Gird is one of many saints who serve the "High Lord." This system seems very similar to the Catholic and Episcopalian understanding of saints, (see saints and saints in Anglicanism).Deed of Paksenarrion actually has very clear Christian themes, with atoning sacrifice and redemptive love being two of the most prominant. see [1] for statements from Moon regarding her conversion. 128.239.158.193 04:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While some of her fellow soldiers do believe that Gird, Falk and others have "become gods", Paksenarrion explicitly rejects that idea and considers them as mere Saints who act on behalf of, and derive their powers from, the High Lord.

As an aside, there was no conversion involved, as Moon grew up Episcopalian, then lapsed, then returned to that same faith, and later lapsed again (or at least stopped attending)

DES (talk) 22:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Synopsis[edit]

"A number of people have pointed out resemblances between the story setting and Dungeons & Dragons, in particular alleged similarities between Moon's town of Brewersbridge and Hommlet (a village in The Temple of Elemental Evil module for AD&D) and between Moon's religion of Gird and the faith of Saint Cuthbert of the Cudgel in Greyhawk."

I didn't write this part of the article, but I did ask personally her about it at 5Con in Northampton, MA in 1998. She admitted that she'd played D&D and wanted her fiction to be "better" but she didn't recall playing that module in particular. The similarities are easily documented, but probably resulted from a memory of concepts and not specific details.

That said, this doesn't belong in "Synopsis", but it is a valid point, perhaps belonging under a heading like "Criticism". --Dunkelza (talk) 20:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Five years later, it was still there. (Some guy put it in in 2007.) I deleted it. It's unsourced -- "a number of people" is NOT a citation. Cite it to a recognised literary critic if you want to include it, but in a analysis/criticism section, not "synopsis". 202.81.249.139 (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Suspect source[edit]

In this edit, a long quote by the author was added without any other source than "contributed by the author" and a date some months previously. What is the real source here?

Anyway, I was about to fix the spelling (Scandanavia -> Scandinavia), but if the source exists and has this spelling in it, I suppose it should stay as it is.--Noe (talk) 11:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The original post was made by the author on her own Wikipedia page. An editor then moved it to this article. She was apparently only here to comment on the deletion of Norilana Books. It appears that she has not been back since. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 05:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Novel order / timeline[edit]

Why is Liar's Oath described as sequel to the Deed when it clearly follows Surrender None prior to the Deed and Legacy trilogies? While Kieri and Paks appear at the end, this is long before their own time and provides history for the final trilogy. From their perspective, the events that took place in Liar's Oath have not happened as of the end of Kings of the North and will likely be conterminous with Crisis of Vision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.170.253.226 (talk) 06:21, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's the bit at the beginning which is definitely after any other published book, but I'm still not sure that qualifies it as a 'sequel' SamBC(talk) 18:25, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Paladin's Legacy is not a trilogy...[edit]

Puzzled by description on the "Paladin's Legacy trilogy". There are going to be five books. There has been some confusion over this with publishers, certainly, described and cleared up on the author's own blog about the books. I'm now going to be bold and fix it now. SamBC(talk) 19:50, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Paksworld series[edit]

Is this the same concept? I am having trouble finding a clear definition of this term. It is used in this master thesis, this website and even on the Moon's own homepage here [2]. The latter is confusing - the page has a hidden title 'Paksworld books', but is titled 'Legend of Paksenarrion' at the top (not 'The Deed of Paksenarrion'). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Additional sources[edit]

O'Sullivan in her Master thesis mentions: "The Deed of Paksenarrion trilogy was the focus of a 4 Masters’ thesis written by Nona M Shepherd Wisenhunt (1999) which focused on the Hero’s Journey and dealt only with that trilogy, and Moon’s work has been mentioned by critics (Mains, et al, Tolmie) along with other fantasy and science fiction works which focus on women. " The works to review then:

Tolmie, Jane. "Medievalism and the Fantasy Heroine." Journal of Gender Studies 15.2 (2006): 145 - 158. [3]
Mains, Christine and Brad J Ricca, Holly Hassel and Linda Rucker. "Heroes or Sheroes." Reid, Robin Anne ed. Women in Science Fiction and Fantasy Volume 1 and 2. Westport, CT: Greenwood Press, 2009. [4]
Whisenhunt, Nona M. Shepherd. "The hero and her journey in Elizabeth Moon's The deed of Paksenarrion." PhD diss., East Tennessee State University, 1999. (not online? :( )

Note that google scholar classifies Whisehunt work as a Phd thesis, not masters, as O'S does. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]