Talk:The Creation structure

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A fact from The Creation structure appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 October 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Haydn's oratorio The Creation is structured in three parts, the first two about the creation as narrated in Genesis, the third about Adam and Eve in Paradise?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2011/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Creation structure.

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Again the article needs renaming, probably to Structure of Haydn's ''The Creation''. I don't know howe much this is to be expanded, but at the moment it adds little to the main article, for all it's size. Johnbod (talk) 13:17, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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In the first line, it says "German-language oratorio". Isn't this a complex issue? See The_Creation_(Haydn)#Libretto. I guess we don't have to repeat all of that in the header, but some mention of it being bilingually published. That might affect the names of the headers in the table below as well as the German text is also a "translation" (and the English a re-translation). I would just say "German Title" and "English Title".

Also, I notice that the English text for "Holde Gattin, dir zur Seite" is listed as "Sweet Companion" instead of "Graceful Consort". I know people have have had issues with van Swieten's English re-translation and there have been several efforts recently to re-re-translate it. I understand that, but many of the musical numbers are famously known by their original English titles. Something to consider.DavidRF (talk) 15:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, considering. Haydn composed it for German, and in Vienna it was sung in German. Although the libretto was derived from an English one, it had to be translated for London, because it had to match the music (syllables, stresses, vowel sounds ...). The first attempt was carried out by van Swieten (as far as I know) who was not really good enough in English. So various attempts of improvement are around. I followed the Oxford Edition (1991, quote: "Since the publication of the first edition with both English and German texts, the English has come under fire".), and think it might even be good to see different approaches. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]