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"village lands"[edit]

The map's description is "A 1940s map of the area of al-Shaykh Muwannis from the Survey of Palestine." - which is correct. When you look at it, the built up area of al-Shaykh Muwannis (in red) is limited to the center of the center squared in the map grid, whereas the Tell is located in the lower left square. Where does the map indicate these are "village lands"? Inf-in MD (talk) 23:18, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can see the village lands named in large capital letters "ASH SHEIKH MUWANNIS". Not all of it is shown in this extract. The boundary on the west is the small dashed line that follows the heavy dashed line. The boundary on the south is the dashed line and its continuation as a dotted line along Nahr al 'Auja. The eastern and northern boundaries are well off the map. Zero^talk 07:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, since you are not extended-confirmed and Palestinian village boundaries come under ARBPIA, you are not allowed to edit it. Zero^talk 07:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That does not seem correct. The capital letters do not denote any boundaries, of course. On topographical maps like this, dashed and dotted lines indicate paths and trails, not municipal boundaries. Is there a legend to this map that supports your interpretation? Inf-in MD (talk) 11:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I made a mistake. The small dashed N-S line that follows the heavy dashed line is just the edge of the road. Actually the west boundary is the ocean which is only a few hundred meters off the edge of the map. The south boundary is like I said. You can see "T.P. & Vill. Bdy." written on it, which means "Town Planning and Village Boundary", the town being Tel-Aviv. Zero^talk 12:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which source, on the map or otherwise, says the west boundary of al-Shaykh Muwannis is the sea? Assuming you are correct about T.P. & Vill Bdy - that just denotes the municipal boundaries of Tel Aviv, not where al-Shaykh Muwannis ends. There are other place names between al-Shaykh Muwannis' built up area and the Tel Aviv boundary - Al Izzaliya, Jamasin al Gharbi etc...I don't think you can make pronouncements like "these are village lands" without a source that says this. Inf-in MD (talk) 12:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The map says it. Large capital letters indicate village names and the boundaries of their lands are indicated in standard ways that are shown in the legend. All the maps in this series use the same conventions. I've spent enough time explaining it you now. Zero^talk 13:18, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

capital letters don't define boundaries, and there are multiple places names in this area, with no boundary indicated between them. If this is all you've got, I'm going to remove the unsupported claim. Inf-in MD (talk) 13:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As explained on your talk page, you are not permitted to edit content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. You don't understand the map and you don't understand the relationship between localities and village lands. That is not a crime but you shouldn't expect to impose your lack of understanding on the article. Zero^talk 14:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stop patronizing. I understand the map perfectly well. I also understand that you simply made up some nonsense (" The boundary on the west is the small dashed line that follows the heavy dashed line.") and when I called you out, you claimed you made a mistake, and made a different claim, which is unsupported by anything on the map - you are just asserting this to be the case. You need to have a source that clearly says the Tell is on village lands, or out it goes. Inf-in MD (talk) 15:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't revert you, User:Inf-in MD, blindly (although I could have, as you don't fulfil 30/500); I looked at the map, and saw no village border-line between the village and Tell Qasile; hence it was on village land. It is easier to see on the main map here. (And I made myself pretty familiar with these maps here). And as Zero0000 says; editors who do not fulfil the 30/500 need to stop editing controversial articles in the IP area. If I see you do this again, expect to see yourself at WP:AE, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of the combative behavior you and Zero display here, it would have been simpler to point to this better map when I first asked for sources. I'll note that this map's legend says the southernmost boundary of al-Shaykh Muwannis, shown as a dotted line with disconnected dots is "undefined" - and as such can't be used to support the claim. But I'll give you this - you've made the editing here unpleasant enough that it is not worth my time to continue this. Inf-in MD (talk) 23:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC) strike sock[reply]