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Withdrawal of invitation to Du Cille

I think it's reasonable to include this; it's a major research center with a well-regarded journalism school, and the incident is receiving broad coverage in mainstream media. valereee (talk) 17:56, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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Campus protests

An unregistered editor recently added over 14,000 bytes of new information in a new "Campus Organizing" section. I objected to the material and removed but he or she immediately restored most of it without discussion. Setting aside the minor issues such as a confusing section title with improper capitalization, there are huge issues with the material that has been added.

First, the material contains very few reliable sources. In the gigantic section dedicated to the 2014 incidents, the only sources that are cited are a first-person article written by a college student and a 23-minute YouTube video of unknown origin. Even if we concede that these sources are reliable, they are both primary sources which leaves the section in trouble as far as due weight is concerned. In other words, if the material is truly noteworthy enough to include in an encyclopedia then editors should be able to find secondary or tertiary sources that support it otherwise we risk crossing into WP:POV and WP:OR territory. The material in the "THE General Body" section has a handful of reliable sources but some of the sources there, too, are poor.

Second, the material in the "THE General Body" section is way over the line in terms of due weight and clearly advocates for the position of this organization which is an obvious problem. The section needs to be dramatically reduced, probably to just a few sentences with much better sourcing, to place this into the proper historical context. And those sources should be secondary or tertiary with little or no reliance on primary sources such as the website of the organization in question.

Editors are reminded that this is an encyclopedia, not a venue to promote their own views. ElKevbo (talk) 05:40, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I couldn't find a single notable sentence. The closest one was about broken windows and barricaded doors in 1970, which is still incredibly far from the mark of notable. I have removed the whole section and notified the user to discuss here. Jolly Ω Janner 00:03, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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Can anybody get a photo of

The Tree of 40 Fruit. It is supposed to be on the "main quad". Please see the tree's article and the videos there will probably give somebody who knows the campus a very good idea of the exact location. Any help would be appreciated. Smallbones(smalltalk) 02:29, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

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Facilitated communication controversy at Syracuse

I’ve become aware of ongoing controversy at the university with regards to its continual support for facilitated communication (FC) and would like to mention it on the page. Despite lack of evidence for FC, and much evidence against it as a valid communication method, it is still supported by, and taught at the university. The university’s newspaper The Daily Orange has published a number of stories about the FC controversy including this one, http://dailyorange.com/2018/04/syracuse-university-faculty-respond-previous-letter-editor-endorsing-facilitated-communication/, which was written by members of the faculty at Syracuse. I would have thought that it was enough to establish the controversy at Syracuse, and could therefore be used as a citation in this page(?) I have used another article published by The Daily Orange to attempt to establish the controversy, but it was reverted. Would appreciate any help anyone can offer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 330highflyer (talk • contribs) 06:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

The material added was imporant and valid. I wonder if the revert was by someone with an SU COI. RobP (talk) 12:25, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
I reverted it and it's obvious that I don't have a COI. The only material that supports this information as being noteworthy is in the local student newspaper so I question whether this information is something we should include in an encyclopedia article. If this is truly noteworthy information that is critical for readers and should have space in this article discussing the entire history, organization, funding, and resources of this institution that is about 150 years old then surely editors can find other sources. To be clear, I am not opposed to referencing high quality work published in student newspapers; my objection here is that we only have one source that attests to this being a noteworthy controversy. (I there may have something about this months ago in the Chronicle of Higher Education or Inside Higher Ed so those may be good places to look for editors who want to retain and improve this paragraph.) ElKevbo (talk) 12:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Reversion of controversy section

Cusechemaratha - Wikipedia is not a place for glowing reviews of its subjects. Rather, it is a resource made more valuable by the inclusion of both positive and negative aspects of the topics presented. I reverted your change because the controversy section is relevant, topical, current and significant enough to be written about by the university’s own student publication. Perhaps, in time, as you suggest, this information may become less significant, particularly if the university’s policy on the teaching of a discredited practice is reversed, but for now the controversy section should remain. 330highflyer (talk) 15:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

wiki:NPOV in the racism section

This section, while important and sourced with credible sources, lacks a neutral point of view. I believe it heavily criticizes university and does not describe discuss any of the steps taken by SU. This might be interpreted by some as administration covertly supporting racism, which I think is absolutely dishonest and thus, I think this section must have POV template. BTW, I must declare that I have no COI in this matter. While I am a past student & an editor on this page, I do not take part in boosterism or whitewashing. Also, I do not condone racism (I'm a brown asian). GreaterPonce665 (talk) 20:49, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Edit-warring to include new information about "a Professor [placed] on leave for negative remarks about the Chinese Communist Party"

An unregistered editor is edit-warring with multiple editors to add the following paragraph to the "Controversies" subsection of the "History" section:

On Aug. 28, 2020, Syracuse placed a Professor on leave for negative remarks about the Chinese Communist Party. [1] This was after the University Chancellor signed a recent agreement with the Chinese Government. [2]

Right now, this appears to be a clear-cut example of WP:NOTNEWS. Until we have a reasonable belief that this incident tells readers something about the broader institution and will have a lasting impact, it needs to remain out of the article. We simply cannot document every single thing that happens at this institution in an article that is supposed to provide a broad overview of the entire history, organization, funding, accomplishments, and challenges of a large, complex organization. ElKevbo (talk) 16:33, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www2.dailyorange.com/2020/08/su-places-professor-leave-offensive-language-toward-chinese-students/
  2. ^ https://news.syr.edu/blog/2019/07/17/syracuse-university-signs-memorandum-of-understanding-with-universities-in-china/

FIRE award

I added a paragraph about Syracuse's being granted a "Lifetime Censorship Award" by notable civil liberties organization FIRE and was quickly reverted with the summary "Rv disgruntled editor (see their userpage); that's not a defining characteristic of a university; FIRE is hardly a reputable/notable organization; are we going to add all the awards (!) a uni gets on its page? what rubbish". My response:

  1. What's on my userpage is irrelevant to whether my edits are accepted;
  2. A university's attitude toward students' free speech rights is absolutely an important characteristic;
  3. FIRE is notable by our standards, and is better known than Military Times, which has also has an entry;
  4. I note that positive awards seem to be added with no objection. Is this an encyclopedia article or an extended press release? —Chowbok ☠ 19:05, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
And now I've been reverted again, by the same editor, scolding me for not starting a discussion when I obviously have. Annoying.—Chowbok ☠ 20:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
I don't wish to debate all other points here. 2,3,4 are fair, I'm not big on it but I'll concede there, but let's talk about 1. What you write on your talk page clearly is something that I notice and decide if I'm dealing with idiots or not. (If you are a guy who wants "Wikipedia forks" and claims to be a "disgruntled editor", I'm going to revert on first glance, especially any edits making potentially libelous edits.) Also it is disingenuous to claim that you started the discussion on your own volition. You engaged in reverting my first revert (here); per WP:BRD you need to discuss before reverting others, especially if you were the first to make some accusatory edit. I scolded you for second time to start BRD, because you shouldn't have reverted me (I hadn't seen this discussion, but I'm am well within my rights to revert you there). What's the rush with making that particular edit anyway? Some reason you can't stand waiting for some discussion on this? I'm busy in real life (not disgruntled with my life btw), so don't expect me to leave other things and immediately engage with some random jerkheads. Thanks. GreaterPonce665 (TALK) 01:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm glad to see you concede my substantial arguments relating to the article itself. You can call me names all you like if it makes you feel better.—Chowbok ☠ 03:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Amartya Sen

Mr. Sen the Nobel laureate is NOT an SU alumnus. To the clown who keeps on adding his name to the list, DON'T.

I moved the all-century basketball thing to the Syracuse University Orange article. It's too long and technical for this article. newkai

Number of award winners

this list is here to satisfy the quantify tag added in the lede. I'll try to get the lists but there's no official listings anywhere.

Pulitzer winners =13
Brian Donovan (journalist) x2, Paloma Esquivel, David Cay Johnston, Nikki Kahn, Harold E. Martin, Donald Martino, Mike McAlary, Jim Morinx2, Eli Saslow, Elizabeth Strout, William Safire, Melinda Wagner, Stephanie Welsh

Rhodes Scholarship =2[1]

Marshall Scholar =3 (Bethany Murphy, Dina Eldawy, John Giammatteo)

References

  1. ^ https://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/media/45775/2021-rs_number-of-winners-by-institution.pdf
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