Talk:Suzuki Vitara

THIS ARTICLE IS SO SLOPPY!!!

dear god, please, someone clean this article up!

• Done. --ApolloBoy 02:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

It Should NOT be merged with Suzuki Escudo, (Chevy Tracker)

I AM TOTALLY AGAINST MERGING ARTICLES!

Explain why then, it will be merged after all since nobody had a good reason why. Willirennen 00:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Merging escudo/sidekick/tracker

The articles should be merged because they are all about the same vehicle marketed in different countries or by different companies. The vehicle itself is basically the same regardless of name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bimotarich (talk • contribs) 04:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Car articles should not be merged, merely referred to in both articles or links provided. - Highonhendrix 2-26-07

I also STRONGLY disagree Suzuki Escudo & Suzuki Grand Vitara should not be merged. There are many differences between the two cars. They are even classified as seperate vehicles.~Hondasaregood 15:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

i disagree!!!!

I definitely think these articles should remain separate. The Chevrolet/Geo trackers are completely different vehicles from the suzuki escudo, and should be kept separate.

Merge not carried out. Doesn't seem to be a conseus to do so.Hondasaregood 16:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Good! Even tho the two makes are sometimes produced in the same factory, the dealer/service networks and parts manuals are completely different 17:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

The suzuki sidekick is the greatest thing ever, and it would be a disgrace to put it on the same page as those other pieces of crap

Merging Tracker with Suzuki escudo

I do think the tracker article should merge with Suzuki Escudo because they are the same vehicle, mechanically. The Tracker is only a rebadged Escudo, and made by Suzuki. I agree this page should be merged.

Pam1855 10:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, even though these (not allowed to call them that as it would be too politically incorrect to call them that word and it begins with F and has 6 letters) disagree and will use the lamest reasons to explain why. Willirennen 19:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

No merge. The Suzuki Escudo has the 2.0 diesel engine, and Trackers never had a diesel. They're not at all similar, except for some of the bodywork. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bushcutter (talk • contribs) 14:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

No merge. They are different enough cars to warrant a different page. --Reezy (talk) 01:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

"The vehicle was a follow-up to the popular SJ413 and Samurai"

I do not think this is true. The Jimny Sierra (what the SJ413/Samurai is known as in Japan) continued production until 1998, when it was replaced by what was sold in export markets as the Jimny (Jimny Wide in Japan). --Zilog Jones (talk) 14:01, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Error in description

There is no Suzuki plant in St. Petersburg, Russia (the project was frozen, then cancelled during the crisis), so Grand Vitara is not produced there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slightlym (talk • contribs) 06:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

New Generation

There will be a new generation for the Vitara unveiled at Paris Motor show [1], [2]. Should we add it to the article? --Mijcofr (talk) 17:04, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 1 September 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. The two supports make a good case for WP:COMMONNAME, particularly in English speaking markets  — Amakuru (talk) 20:58, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

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Suzuki Escudo → Suzuki Vitara – Four generations of this model have worn various badges worldvide, but the one most consistently applied across English-speaking markets has been (and currently is) "Vitara" (UK;Australia;Vitara Brezza in India). As far as I see, the "Escudo" badge is only applied in Japan, not in any other English-speaking country (compare similar example about Mazda Axela→Mazda3 in WP:CARNAMES). A possible exception could be New Zealand for the early models, but the last two versions are called Vitara and Grand Vitara even there. Early generations were called "Sidekick" in the U.S, but the 2nd and the 3rd were "(Grand) Vitara" (Suzuki withdrew from the North American market in 2012). Thus, WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGES apply. No such user (talk) 09:03, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose: under the WP:CARNAMES guidelines, Escudo is the correct title for this page. The guideline is fairly clear: "Automobile articles are titled with the model name used in the subject vehicle's home market [i.e. Japan for the Suzuki Escudo], unless a single name other than the home-market name is used in English-speaking markets, and the home market is not English-speaking. In such cases, the article shall be titled with the model name used in English-speaking markets." There is not a single or overwhelming name used in English-speaking markets. In fact, the only name that has actually been used on each generation is Escudo. For two generations, the Vitara was sold as the "Grand Vitara" only. OSX (talk • contributions) 10:13, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

  First, I acknowledge the guideline, but it is supposed to be just a guideline, not a policy (WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGES are policies). Second, I assert there is an "overwhelming" (if not "single") name used in English-speaking countries, and it is "Vitara". Apart from the short-lived and almost-forgotten "Sidekick", all other models were named "Vitara" or "Grand Vitara" in most English-speaking markets. "Grand Vitara" is certainly just a variation on "Vitara", not a completely different brand – even while it was actual, the badge [3] was styled with smaller "Grand" above larger "Vitara". No such user (talk) 10:50, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

• Support per nom as well as per COMMONNAME- Reading through the article Escudo is only applied to the models in Japan and in every other country in the world it's Vitara, It seems stupid to have an article title for a model only 1 country out of 196 use ..... –Davey2010^Talk 13:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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Erroneous GM Theta platform similarities claim

There are numerous claims in this article- all without providing any citations that the third generation Grand Vitara is somehow related to GM's Theta platform.

The GM Theta platform was first introduced for the 2002 model year as the Saturn Vue. I cannot find and sources from GM, Suzuki nor the automotive media stating that these two shared any co-development nor suspension components.

A cursory image search on Google would show that the front and rear suspension components, unibody chassis, and front and rear sub-frames are all significantly different; besides the fact that one is FWD and the other is RWD based. Absolutely nothing is shared.

Unibody images:

Saturn Vue

https://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Saturn/2002-Saturn-Vue-SUV_Image-e02-1600.jpg

Grand Vitara

http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/9039257+w660+h440+q80+re0+cr1/131_0601_03_z%2b2006_suzuki_grand_vitara%2bmodel.jpg

Rear suspension:

Saturn Vue

http://images.wrenchead.com/smartpages/partinfo_resize/moc/ID02515.jpg

Grand Vitara

http://www.suzuki-forums.com/3g-2006-2014-vitara-grand-vitara/159401-trying-gather-info-gv-rear-suspension.html

This incorrect information has persisted in the article for several years and needs to be removed.

I believe that is should be explicitly stated that these Grand Vitara and GM Theta are NOT related. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.242.68.159 (talk) 06:18, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Conflict with GM Theta platform article

While the Grand Vitara is clearly not a Theta platform, and the general perception of a shared platform may result from confusion with the XL7, the statement now in this article that the "the two are completely unrelated and were developed separately by GM and Suzuki and share no components" conflicts directly with the Wikipedia article for the GM Theta platform, which refers specifically to shared components.

In the excellent research by the anonymous Talk contributor above, the unibody images show that the Vue and Grand Vitara structures are very similar at least in the rear, although the illustrations use different angles of view and different highlighting (the Grand Vitara image highlights more of the crossmembers) which exaggerate the differences. On the other hand, the rear suspensions are substantially different, supporting the suggestion that there are no shared components. brian|bp 17:04, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

CAMI plant reference

I am removing the CAMI Ingersol, Ontario assembly plant reference. The 3rd generation Grand Vitara was never build there. This can be verified from the CAMI website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans Gruber01 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Grand vitara facelift in india (2022)

The vehicle has already entered its next generation in india, known as Grand Vitara please someone throw light on it. 45.252.77.28 (talk) 04:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

If you have supporting references then please feel free to edit the article yourself - anybody is allowed to edit.  Stepho  talk  05:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Scroll below, we already have a whole article dedicated for it. Andra Febrian (talk) 08:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)