Talk:Suffragette City/GA1

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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 16:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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So I am now reunited with the reviewer who helped me build my Wiki background, should be great to review one of your articles and I'll listen to the song shortly, as a fan of Bowie. --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake Hey long time no speak! Good to hear from you again. Looking forward to your comments :-) – zmbro (talk) 19:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

  • Added link but adding (1976) is not necessary as it's already stated earlier in the sentence that it was 1976.
  • "co-produced the track, which Bowie recorded at" → "co-produced the former and it was recorded by Bowie at"
  • It doesn't make sense to say "Bowie and Ken Scott co-produced the former". Reworded it.
  • "and Mick Woodmansey at a" → "and Mick Woodmansey, at a" – Done
  • ""Suffragette City" was originally offered to the English" → "The song was originally offered to English" – Done
  • "recorded Bowie's" → "recorded Bowie's written track"
  • Reads much better as is
  • ""Suffragette City" is a" → "The song is a"
  • Changed to "It"
  • "that is influenced by the music" → "that was influenced by the music"
  • Doing this changes the tense to past and present in the same sentence
  • "The song's lyrics include a" → "The lyrics include a" – Done
  • ""Suffragette City" received critical acclaim, with many critics" → ""Suffragette City" received acclaim from music critics, with many of them" with the target – Done, without "of them"
  • "the famous lyric and the song's power" → "the famous lyric, and the song's power"
  • British grammar says there can't be an Oxford comma there
  • For the publications, mention "including..." then add in two or three notable ones like NME for example – Done
  • "Bowie performed the track frequently" → "Bowie performed the song frequently" – Done
  • Remove wikilink on compilation album – Done
  • Start new sentence after compilation albums – Done
  • "and has been remastered several times, including 2012 for its 40th anniversary; this version was included in" → "The song has been remastered several times, including 2012 for the 40th anniversary of The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars; the version was included as part of" – Done, just put "the album" though

Composition and recording[edit]

  • Shouldn't the recording para (opener) be the last one instead?
  • [1][2] should both be solely at the end of the sentence – Done
  • "the end of the Ziggy Stardust sessions" → "the end of the sessions for The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars"
  • The title of this album is often shortened to just Ziggy Stardust as its definitely a little long. Removed the link but it's perfectly fine to just refer to the album in its shortened form, especially when discussing it mid-sentence like this.
  • "during this session was" → "during the session were" – Done
  • "was co-produced by Bowie" → "was produced by Bowie"
  • No...?
  • "recorded the song with his backing band" → "recorded it with his backing band"
  • Reworded sentence
  • "Bowie offered the song" → "Bowie offered "Suffragette City"" – Done
  • "a band he greatly admired" → "a band from England that he greatly admired"
  • Changed to "an English band"
  • [1] should solely be at the end of the sentence – Done
  • "The group refused but recorded Bowie's "All the Young Dudes" instead." → "The band refused but instead recorded "All the Young Dudes", which Bowie wrote."
  • It's totally fine as is. Saying it's "Bowie's" clearly means he wrote it.
  • Why? It's already linked to its own page.
  • "which underscores the guitar" → "underscoring the guitar" with the wikilink
  • "Scott used the ARP located at Trident to find the right sound, and" → "while Scott used the ARP located at Trident to find the right sound and" – Done
  • "while other rock songs such as" → "while other rock songs like" with the target
  • That's totally unnecessary, you don't need to link every single thing that has a page
  • Target to Chord (music) – Done
  • "structure spaced "two" → "structure that is spaced "two" – Done
  • Wikilink A minor and A major to themselves – Done
  • "He believes that this" → "Doggett believes that this" – Done
  • "instrumentatuion was played by Bowie but" → "instrumentation was played by Bowie, but" – Done
  • Wikilink electric guitar
  • Again, unnecessary
  • "ma'am!" before the band gets" → "ma'am!" After this, the band get"
  • That'd make it a pretty short sentence so I'll leave it as is; reads better this way too
  • ""Sister Suffragette" from the" → ""Sister Suffragette", from the" – Done
  • "He argues the Mary Poppins song had more" → "He argues the film's song had more" to avoid reinstating title or should it be "has more" in this context? – Done, should be "has more"
  • Add (1962) directly after the novel's name – Done
  • ""sexually charged" hook" → ""sexually charged" hook:"
  • Positive this wouldn't be a colon because the rest of the sentence is not a list
  • Wikilink jazz to itself – Sure
  • [8][11] should both be solely at the end of the sentence in numerical order – Done
  • Remove wikilink on hard rock – Sure
  • "theatrics" to close" → "theatrics", to close" if hard rock is the closing bit only and not the rest, since I don't know since source is a book I don't have
  • I feel like he used the words "to close" so reworded.

Release and reception[edit]

  • "released on 28 April 1972 by RCA Records" → "released on 28 April 1972 by RCA Records" – pretty minor but Done
  • "B-side of Bowie's single "Starman" (as RCA 2199)" → "B-side of Bowie's single "Starman" (RCA 2199)" with the targets
  • "on the album" → "on Bowie's fifth studio album" – Mostly done
  • It's already linked, it's fine as a redirect
  • Remove wikilink on the album
  • Left it linked on other articles so it's fine here.
  • "on 16 June 1972" → "on 16 June of that year" – Done
  • "on 9 July 1976 to promote the compilation" → "on 9 July 1976, to promote the compilation" – Done
  • "with the US single edit" → "including the US single version" to avoid identical wording with the lead
  • Really no better way to word it
  • "The single failed to chart." any more info on this, i.e background type stuff; how long was he/was not he charting for before this or anything like that?
  • Sadly nope. Couldn't find many things online and Pegg doesn't say much about it, probably as much as I do here.
  • "Since its release, "Suffragette City" has received critical acclaim" → ""Suffragette City" has since been met with acclaim from music critics" with the target
  • "many writers praising the guitar work, the band's performance, the false ending, the famous lyric and the song's power" → "many writers praising the guitar work" since description of the reception is supposed to be larger in the lead instead so this is overkill, good work though
  • I have never ever once heard or read this. Plus, removing the other things would be understating.
  • ""Suffragette City", Bowie's" → ""Suffragette City" Bowie's" – Done
  • "He concludes by saying:" → "Cromelin concluded by saying:" – Done
  • "here she comes' "." → "here she comes'"." – Done
  • "of AllMusic praises Ronson's guitar work" → "from AllMusic praised Ronson's guitar work" – Done
  • ""Moonage Daydream" and "Hang On to Yourself" "." → "'Moonage Daydream' and 'Hang On to Yourself'"." per MOS:QWQ – Done
  • "but argues there are finer results on" → "but argued there are finer results on" – Done
  • "Ronson's guitar work, writing; "[It]" → "Ronson's guitar work, writing that "[it]" – Done
  • "He said some of the lyrics seem" → "Of the lyrics, Raggett said some seem"
  • "from worst to best, ranked" → "from worst to best, placed" – Done
  • "he ends his review by describing" → "he ended his review by describing" – Done
  • "Jordan Blum of PopMatters describes "Suffragette City", along with "Ziggy Stardust"," → "Jordan Blum, writing for PopMatters, described "Suffragette City" and "Ziggy Stardust"" – Done
  • "that 40 years later are "still endlessly addicting and pleasantly infectious"" → "that are "still endlessly addicting and pleasantly infectious" 40 years later" – Done, so much better thanks
  • "He added; "Both songs" → "He added, "Both songs" – Done
  • It must have been the copyeditor that did that because I 100% did not write it like that
  • "dynamics is remarkable"." → "dynamics is remarkable."" since that is a full sentence quote – Done
  • I honestly need to paraphrase these. That's probably where the copyvio violations are coming from.
  • "He concludes his review" → "Blum concluded his review" – Done
  • "and acknowledges it as" → "while acknowledging it as" – Done
  • "as Bowie's 14th-greatest song" → "as Bowie's 14th greatest song" – Done
  • Wikilink Ultimate Classic Rock to itself per MOS:LINK2SECT – Done
  • "placed the song on their list" → "placed the track on their list" – Done

Live versions and subsequent releases[edit]

  • "Sounds of the 70s presented by John Peel; the session" → "Sounds of the 70s, presented by John Peel; the session" unless it is the full name of the programme and if so, then put the target on the full text to that wiki – Done
  • "was broadcast on 23 May 1972" → "was broadcast one week later" – Done
  • "In 2000, this recording was released on the album" → "In 2000, the recording was released on the compilation album" – Done
  • "Pegg called this performance "excellent"," → "Pegg called the performance "excellent"," – Done
  • "piano-playing of Nicky Graham" → "piano-playing from Nicky Graham" – Done
  • "have appeared on" → "have appeared on the live albums" – Done
  • "announced, "This is the" → "announced it as "the" – Done
  • "have appeared on" → "have appeared on the albums"
  • Little excessive
  • "were released on the 2017 edition" → "were included on the 2017 edition" – Done
  • Remove wikilink on Changesonebowie – Done
  • "including 1990 by" → "including in 1990 by" – Done
  • "and in 2012 for its 40th anniversary" → "and 2012 for its 40th anniversary" – Done
  • "the 2003 remixes by producer Ken Scott were" → "the 2003 remixes, by producer Ken Scott, were" – Done
  • "in the box set" → "as part of the box set" – Done

Track listing[edit]

  • Remove All songs written by David Bowie. since this is a track listing section of a song, not credits/personnel
  • This is not true at all the track listing section IS where song credits go
  • [12] should be directly after the B-side's title, while [14] should be after the A-side
  • It's fine as is

Personnel[edit]

  • Retitle to Credits and personnel
  • It's fine the way it is
  • Shouldn't the producer be third?
  • Why would it be like that?

References[edit]

  • Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool – Done
  • Might have to do a few manually
  • They should all be good.
  • Copyvio score looks somewhat poor at 40.1%; try to fix this – Done
  • That's highly unfortunate. I'll see what I can do
  • Did some rewording; should be fixed now.
  • MOS:QWQ issues with ref 11
  • Not seeing this on ref 11...
  • Remove wikilinks on David Bowie and targets to RCA Records on refs 13 and 14 per MOS:OVERLINK; also remove the former from refs 28, 35 and 36 – Done
  • Remove wikilink on AllMusic for ref 16 – Done
  • Target Louder to Classic Rock (magazine) on ref 17 – Done
  • Remove staff from ref 19 and wikilink Ultimate Classic Rock – Done
  • Remove wikilinks on AllMusic and Stephen Thomas Erlewine for refs 21, 25, 29, 31, 32, 33 – Done
  • Remove wikilink on NME for ref 22 – Done
  • Remove wikilinks on AllMusic for refs 23, 27 and 34; plus always cite as publisher – Done
  • Remove target on Pitchfork for ref 26 – Done
  • Fix ref 30's author and remove target on Pitchfork
  • Idk what you mean by "fix author"
  • Sorry I thought this was the wrong one initially because it was identical to AllMusic; checked the source and it is correct, coincidentally. --Kyle Peake (talk) 12:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove wikilink on Parlophone for ref 37 – Done

Final comments and verdict[edit]

  •  On hold for now, there was some edit warring but that happened nearly three months ago which was quite a while before this was nominated anyway so I would say it meets the stability criteria at this point. Nice article though, will be ready for GA pretty soon I hope. --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:50, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Zmbro Will be able to meet the criteria shortly; only things you need to do are fix the redirects with appropriate targets, and not include the full quotation about critics' feelings in the section, as a more detailed summary is how this is frequently done in the lead. --Kyle Peake (talk) 12:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kyle Peake Sorry just now getting to this. Been busy irl. What do you mean by "not include the full quotation about critics' feelings in the section"? There isn't a direct quote in lead... – zmbro (talk) 23:41, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Zmbro I didn't mean direct quote, I should've phrased better; full context of critics' feelings should only be in the lead; I'll fix for you. --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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