Talk:Stjepan Filipović

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Propaganda[edit]

This article and the story behind it have all the attributes of propaganda. Just look at the picture. Can anybody give a straight story on how such a picture was taken and distributed by a reliable source? It looks like a movie still to me. Maybe it is justifiable wartime propaganda, that was later distributed by the Comunist Part and/or government of Yugoslavia, but Wikipedia is not here to distribute propaganda. 24.127.162.147 (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The picture is shot by unknown Wehrmacht soldier. -- Bojan  22:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And you believe this? Why? What is the provenence? The problem with the whole article - not just the picture, which looks as phoney as a 3 dollar bill - is that there are no reliable sources cited. 24.127.162.147 (talk) 01:15, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why wouldn't I believe? Do you know something which we don't? -- Bojan  10:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's just the problem "Why wouldn't I believe it?" is just not good enough for Wikipedia. See WP:Reliable sources and WP:V. You have to give a reliable source. As an outsider looking at this, it seems incredible that anybody could believe in something that looks so phoney. It doesn't pass the smell test. 24.127.162.147 (talk) 14:12, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

from WP:V

Burden of evidence

Policy shortcuts: WP:BURDEN WP:PROVEIT

For how to write citations, see Wikipedia:Citing sources

"The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation.[1] The source cited must clearly support the information as it is presented in the article.[2] The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question. Editors should cite sources fully, providing as much publication information as possible, including page numbers when citing books. If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.162.147 (talk) 14:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On contrary, my friend, we DO have reliable sources, but I just wanted to know why are You doing this. The best source for this is book Narodni heroji Jugoslavije (People's heroes of Yugoslavia) published by Mladost - Belgrade 1975. And because I am pretty sure that You won't thrust me, here is online anti-Serb, anti-Yugoslav and anti-communist web site. -- Bojan  15:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, Bojan is right. It was taken by a German soldier. Filipović was very famously hanged in Valjevo, and this photo is iconic in all of the former Yu - every schoolkid knows of it (or used to anyway - who knows what they teach them is schools these days). A blow up of the photo is the centrepiece of a permanent Filipović exhibition at the National Museum in Valjevo. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 08:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it true that in the backround of this photo there is a Četnik Nazi-collaborating officer, as the Žubrinić's page says? Those two dudes on the right? I can't make out anything clearly.. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 01:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it si morelikely that those men were members of Nedic's State Guard. Uniform of Yugoslav police officers before and during WW2 were white, while uniforms of their subordinates were regular military. -- Bojan  06:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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What is Yugoslav nationality?[edit]

As far as I know it, Filipović was a Croatian by nationality. It looks like some people editing this article were kind of ashame addmiting his Croatian background. It is pathetic to expell antifashist hero from Croatian history. That's shameless revision of history. Walter9 (talk) 22:58, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See MOS:ETHNICITY. He was a citizen of Yugoslavia, and ethnically a Croat. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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