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Anyone know where the picture is from? I have a hunch he's on the set of the Weird Al Yankovic show, that short-lived Saturday morning deal. LockeShocke 07:35, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Related to Snow?[edit]

Other than the fact they are both from Toronto and are professional recording artists, I question the relationship of Snow (musician) (a.k.a. Darren O'Brien) to Steven Page. Can anyone provide a reliable reference?--SidP 20:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let's see now... the exact relation appears to be that they are second cousins, according to here, here, here and here. Tabercil 23:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
sidp was asking for a reliable reference. those seem like promo sites, and random faqs. an interview with either musician would be credible. The undertow 00:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored the comment and tagged it with Template:fact. It's been discussed in interviews before, but I don't recall where. I'll take a look through my materials shortly. JPG-GR 01:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
im cool with that The undertow 01:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I put in a reference from Road Stories. Alan Frew (Glass Tiger) hosted the show on Global Television around 2001.--Westendgirl (talk) 06:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Divorced?[edit]

He's now divorced from his wife and with a girlfriend - should this be included on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.177.201 (talk) 16:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source, like a newspaper article (not a tabloid), to back that up? —C.Fred (talk) 00:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately not but his facebook status does say this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.177.201 (talk) 03:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just got back from Ships and Dip III and Steven was spending a lot of time holding hands with his "Alternative Girlfriend" Who I have to say is at least 15 years his junior. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightley (talk • contribs) 18:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BLP reminder[edit]

Although the arrest checks out (as of right now) against a published source, remember to pay close attention to the WP:BLP guidelines about sourcing comments about living people. Also note that the picture accompanying the source article [1] looks like a crop of the picture on the article - it stands to reason that reporters are reading this article! —C.Fred (talk) 21:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I don't mind reversions based on BLP policy, I suggest you be more specific when you revert edits. Simply linking to a very long, very wordy policy does not tell the user what the reason their edit contradicts the policy, and therefore offers no help to avoiding the same mistake in the future, or perhaps presenting an alternate opinion about the policy. TheHYPO (talk) 07:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Drug paragraph removal?[edit]

User Wiwa recently removed a paragraph from the section discussion Ford's statement of the events leading up to the arrest. With this user's permission, I'm including our discussion here for others to proffer opinions on [comments slightly edited to fit this talk page rather than user page. The deleted paragraph can be viewed here (99.225.73.152 (talk) 19:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)):[reply]

I'm wondering what part of wikipedia's privacy guidelines the paragraph you removed violated. The document cited is a public record, posted on a public news website, and the statement provides the most primary source of what he's accused of. So long as the paragraph clearly states that the it is Ford's statement as a source, and her allegations of what happened, I'm not sure what the problem is. I'm not looking to start a fight or anything, I'm just curious what your opinion is about why it should go. 99.225.73.152 (talk) 16:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring specifically to the privacy guideline in Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons:

Biographies of living persons (BLPs) must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm".

This policy applies equally to biographies of living persons and to biographical material about living persons on other pages. The burden of evidence for any edit on Wikipedia, but especially for edits about living persons, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person who adds or restores the material.

I thought the paragraph in question was tabloid-like in quality, referring to private information about the subject which was not central to the issue being discussed and, frankly, none of people's business. -Wiwa (talk) 16:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree. I believe the policy is designed to protect people from tabloid claims IE: with no sources. In this case there is a very official document (a sworn statement) from a participant and witness to the alleged offence that Page is undeniably charged with. I think the policy is more designed to protect against things like "Bono has been seen dating Madonna behind her husband's back" with no source or a tabloid-like unreliable source. I think in a section regarding his arrest, a statement that comes specifically from the prosecution's court documents ought to be a fair source with regard to the charge, but I respect your opinion. With your permission, I'd like the copy this discussion to the article's talk page for others to give input on? Let me know. Thanks.99.225.73.152 (talk) 17:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good idea. In general, I agree with you; however in this case, the paragraph I removed is of little consequence to Page's drug arrest, and seems to be included precisely because it is a sensational detail. Furthermore, despite the fact that it is on the public record, it is still just one person's view of events. Given that it is (a) of such personal nature, (b) not essential to the narrative, and (c) based on one uncorroborated statement, I think it should be left out. Keep in mind that this was the one section of the article that was sourced not from the media, but from a police report; in most jurisdictions, personally identifying information like this could not be included in published police reports due to privacy laws. -Wiwa (talk) 17:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[de-indent] I believe there are several details in her account that are important to the issue, and as long as it is clear in the wording (which I think it was) that this is the statement of a witness. I should note now that many news articles are citing this document (eg: this Syracuse news article, as well as the NBC news article that posted the document itself). While the news articles could be cited, I felt like the primary source of the statement itself was the least edited/biased source. It's one thing for this to be the opinion of a fan or something like that, but this is friend, who is the resident of the home where it occured, was out with him all night, and took part in the same offence and has been charged. I think that since it's been offered as potential evidence in the case, it's something worth mentioning.

That said, I agree that perhaps the paragraph should be pared down, but I believe the following facts are notably important to the issue (Page's issue):

  • Benedicto's is Page's girlfriend (thus, establishing that he was at his 27yo girlfriend's house, and not "hanging out with young girls" as some news sources have stated (perhaps implying underage girls or that he had just met them or was at a party or anything like that.)
  • That she alleges the drugs were Page's and that he was doing the drugs.
  • Possibly that they invited the police in, which addresses what I'm sure people are speculating in regard to whether the police improperly entered the house.

Perhaps the details about the fight earlier is not applicable, but it clears up why she was not present and was charged differently. It also points out that she took his car, where drugs were later found (which probably explains why charges haven't been laid about the car drugs - because someone else was in control of the car after Page, but that's speculation which wasn't in the article). I welcome any thoughts on the issue, but I do believe at least some of the statement ought to be included. The news are clearly citing them, I don't think wikipedia should hold out. 99.225.73.152 (talk) 19:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photo[edit]

Someone's gotta update that photo. He looks so much different now! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhornischfeger (talk • contribs) 04:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length of drug section[edit]

Based on the length and detail of the section on his arrest you would think this guy is a drug kingpin who happens to sing on the side. It's longer than the Barenaked Ladies section! Do we really need to know that 0.314 ounces of cocaine was discovered? I think a few sentences summarizing that he was charged, who he was with and what the consequences were would be plenty. GrahameS (talk) 20:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update please[edit]

There is no information about the band splitting up or about Steven Paige writing music for the Shakespeare Festival in Stratford Ontario. Would somebody care to add information about these events? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.220.162.246 (talk) 22:56, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Illegal Eater[edit]

Page has a show on Travel+Escape that should be mentioned. http://o.canada.com/entertainment/television/steven-page-debuts-food-travel-series-the-illegal-eater-with-video/ -- 24.212.139.102 (talk) 06:03, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Drug removal[edit]

Placeholder--be back in a few. Real life. Drmies (talk) 21:39, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Drug arrest section[edit]

There has been a great deal of edit-warring on deleting the drug arrest section of the article. I have restored it because I do not believe it is reasonable with this many reverts to delete the section and lose the well-sourced information until a proper discussion and debate can be had about his merits.

There is a comment in this talk page above about the drug section being too long and longer than the BNL section. This no longer seem to be the case.

I am a big fan of Page and BNL. I assure you I have no interest in adding embarrassing facts to the article. That said, I am also a rational editor, and I can not concur with the editors who have said that the minor drug arrest is not notable. This drug arrest caused an entire tour to be cancelled (the band was going to play a tour of kids venues), and the event has been cited as one of a half dozen incidents that happened to the band in 2008 that culminated in his departure from the band. Page has even acknowledged that it likely hastened his departure. Even 10 years later, it is a big part of what people know about him.

I will suggest that this is hardly a case of a minor drug arrest that had no impact on Page or his career. It clearly was somewhat defining - especially at the time. I think a three paragraph section is entirely appropriate.

Finally, I note that the people who have blanked the section without leaving so much as a mention of the arrest have done so despite other links in the article that internally link the the drug arrest section, thereby orphaning them. 72.139.83.22 (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Told you I'd be back here. So, here is my offer to you, and I'm pinging C.Fred, my esteemed admin colleague, who's been here before. WP:UNDUE applies here. You may say that there is so much article content that in comparison it's fine, but a. I disagree and b. much of the article is crappily written and needs to be redone more economically. As for item a., I disagree because there was no conviction etc. and because there is no need to have a separate section--it's like the separate "Controversy" sections, which we discourage. So my offer was going to be for you to condense that chunk of information (three paragraphs) into a sentence or two, and stick it in the main text at the appropriate place. Go for it and good luck. Drmies (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article makes no sense without a factual description of Steven’s drug arrest. As of today, there is only one mention of his arrest in the article, in the sentence that reads, “Page believes that his much-publicized drug arrest in Syracuse, New York hastened his already-imminent split with the band.” The arrest needs to be part of the article as it was much-publicized (i.e. there should be reputable sources available) and Steven himself said he believed it hastened his departure from a world-famous band he had been with for approximately two decades. His drug arrest was a fact and it had a major impact on him and the band. I fail to see how that’s not important. Additionally, the article hits the reader with mention of the drug arrest out of nowhere and leaves the reader wondering why it is not elaborated on. Let’s not drag Steven Page’s name through the mud. Let’s present the major facts and details as should be our objective. GuyLeGuy (talk) 08:27, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • You know what, drive-by editors with apparently little knowledge of Wikipedia's BLP policy have been trying to add this for a decade. It's getting boring. Get a consensus on the talk page or on WP:BLPN based on our policy, not on some vague notion of what the supposed reader wants. Next time, semi-protection for BLP reasons is warranted, I think. Meters, thank you for keeping an eye on the article. Drmies (talk) 15:48, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lawsuit resolved? Or ongoing?[edit]

The article mentions reports of a lawsuit in 2015 by Page alleging he was not paid his share of royalties from The Big Bang Theory. That was four years ago; the article ought to mention whether the legal action is still pending. All I could find was a CBC article from March 2018 that did not specifically say whether the legal action had been resolved. Mathew5000 (talk) 04:47, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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