Talk:Station to Station/GA1
GA Review[edit]
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- 1. Well written
- "Bowie said that it was written for – and rejected by – Elvis Presley, while his wife at the time Angie claimed it was penned for her." For a second I thought "his wife" referred to Presley's wife. May want to reword.
- "('Since when has that ever stopped him from doing anything?', quipped NME's Roy Carr and Charles Shaar Murray later)." Eh, kind of unencyclopedic.
- Hmm - thought it was a good quote that does say something about the artist, or at least how he's perceived, as well as adding to the cover commentary. If I lose the "quipped", would you change your mind or are set you on dropping it entirely? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- Changed "quipped" to "asked" for now. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm...I still find the comment distracting. Also, the paragraph could probably lead off the "Release and reception" section instead of standing on its own. —Zeagler (talk) 22:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- Changed "quipped" to "asked" for now. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm - thought it was a good quote that does say something about the artist, or at least how he's perceived, as well as adding to the cover commentary. If I lose the "quipped", would you change your mind or are set you on dropping it entirely? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- "'Stay'...was issued as a companion 45 to RCA's ChangesOneBowie greatest hits collection (though it did not appear on the compilation) which was itself packaged as a uniform edition to Station to Station." A little confusing; how about "...hits collection, though it did not appear on the compilation. (ChangesOneBowie was itself packaged as a uniform edition to Station to Station.)?
- By the way, what does "uniform edition" mean?
- I'd recommend summarizing the Rolling Stone and Circus reviews as you did with the one from Billboard.
- Since there's only one certification, drop that section and incorporate it into the "Release and reception" prose.
- I'm making a couple of changes to the last sections, and here's why (We can discuss if you disagree):
- Removing the "LP: RCA / APL1 1327 (UK)" header in the track listing, as it's unnecessarily narrow. (Someone may wonder if the track listing is unique to this issue.) That track listing is the same on every version up until the CD reissues that you've covered well.
- Same with the bonus tracks...unless you can confirm that no other issue has bonus tracks.
- Breaking off a "Production" section from "Personnel" to conform to most featured articles.
- 2. Factually accurate and verifiable
- Since you're referencing a few books many times (and totaling a range of pages), it would be a good idea to use shortened footnotes.
- Yeah, you're right. I'm actually quite used to doing it the way you suggest in my many MILHIST articles, this is just following the way I've done it in the other Bowie album articles (which doesn't make it right of course). I'm happy to break it into a short Notes section followed by a full References section. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- I'd still like to see more specific notes for the books you're citing. See Californication (album), where each idea gets its own note. That means that some separate references will look identical ([16], [17] and [18]), while others will cover multiple ranges of pages in one reference [21].
- I think the page range for the main Pegg citation is fairly narrow, same with the main Carr/Murray one (though I have narrowed it still more). The main Buckley one is admittedly too broad so I'm in the process of making his more page-specific and will aim to do the same with Wilckin. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:29, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- I'd still like to see more specific notes for the books you're citing. See Californication (album), where each idea gets its own note. That means that some separate references will look identical ([16], [17] and [18]), while others will cover multiple ranges of pages in one reference [21].
- Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, you're right. I'm actually quite used to doing it the way you suggest in my many MILHIST articles, this is just following the way I've done it in the other Bowie album articles (which doesn't make it right of course). I'm happy to break it into a short Notes section followed by a full References section. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- Drop the citations in the lead (except for the one referring to the quote). I don't mind your inclusion of a quote in the lead that's not mentioned later in the article, since it's a summary of an idea that's discussed in more detail in the body.
- There are some non-standard references (the Rykodisc CD reference, for example) that I will try to take care of myself.
- Since you're referencing a few books many times (and totaling a range of pages), it would be a good idea to use shortened footnotes.
- 3. Broad in its coverage
- (Just a heads-up that the Rolling Stone review in the infobox was removed by someone else without an explanation.)
- I'm not sure how the "The Man Who Fell to Earth soundtrack" section is relevant to this album.
- I'm more sure that the "Victoria Station" section is not relevant to this album; it would be appropriate in the David Bowie article, however.
- I think it's a bit difficult to present a rounded article on the album without discussing The Thin White Duke and the Bowie's foibles while supposedly under the influence of that character. Again, this is not so much my assessment as a distillation of discussions of the album in the major sources. Still, I'll look it over. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- Eliminated subheaders and cquotes to give the Aftermath section more obvious flow; in any case the Victoria Station stuff was always related to the tour, which I gathered you were okay with including in the first place - again, let me know what you think now. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- I think it's a bit difficult to present a rounded article on the album without discussing The Thin White Duke and the Bowie's foibles while supposedly under the influence of that character. Again, this is not so much my assessment as a distillation of discussions of the album in the major sources. Still, I'll look it over. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- The second paragraph of the "Legacy" section seems like trivia to me. If there were quotes from these artists about Station to Station and its influence, that would be different. As it is, we're just left to infer (perhaps erroneously) that the album was influential to the artists who name-dropped it.
- This dates from before there was a significant move against 'pop culture' sections (and has somehow survived without anyone slapping a trivia tag on it)! Not sure about quotes from artists (but will search), however if I cited the references from works discussing the album, would that make their inclusion more reasonable? That will cut down the number of them anyway... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- 4. Neutral
Nice job in creating an informative article for an underappreciated album. Hope these fixes won't be too difficult (converting the references will probably be tedious, though...). I'll try to be around to help. —Zeagler (talk) 12:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing. Don't worry about the references, tedium is part of the deal...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
- Passed! You're one of the good guys; a pleasure to deal with. I'd be happy to review any of the Bowie or Roxy Music articles you nominate in the future. —Zeagler (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)