Talk:Sri Lankan Paraiyar

Who added this? also a lot of poor grammar (seems to be common in caste articles)[edit]

"With the increased popularity of the thavil and nadaswaram in the 17th and 18th century encouraged by Hindu reformer Arumuka Navalar, decreased also the use of the parai drum in the temples" ??

Navalar born in 1822 encouraged the use of them in the 17th and 18th century? May not be intentional but easy to be misread so should be rephrased. AlbusWulfricDumbledore (talk) 10:56, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the notice. I added "also" in the sentence, which seem to make the sentence more accurate. When it comes to poor grammar, you are more than welcome to correct on that. Xenani (talk) 11:11, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thiruvalluvar's origin is contested, information about Valluvar caste questionable[edit]

As stated already in the article on Thiruvalluvar, one tradition states he was a Paraiyar weaver, also claims as a Vellalar agriculturalist, or even a subclass of royal heralds.

The claim that Thiruvalluvar himself is a member of the Paraiyars is not a majority view as even his religion is under question as well as caste, and so should be amended as "some claim" perhaps?

As S. Vaiyapuri Pillai derived his name from "valluvan" (a Paraiyar caste of royal drummers) and seems to make a connection of Thiruvalluvar as described.

A lot of information seems to be confused with the Valluvar caste for which there were some differences with the Paraiyars:

Unlike Paraiyans, they forbid remarriage of widows and even polygamy, and all males above twelve wear the sacred thread." According to one account, the Valluvans are the descendants of an alliance between a Brāhman sage and a Paraiyan woman, whose children complained to their father of their lowly position. He blessed them, and told them that they would become very clever astrologers, and, in consequence, much respected https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Castes_and_Tribes_of_Southern_India/Valluvan

One theory is that they were forced to or voluntarily assimilated into the Paraiyar caste after the supposed introduction of Brahmin priests and following Sanskritisation or became a subcaste within the community.

While they have have been later classed as this later, it is important to suggest this instead of attribute all their historic activities to the Paraiyars. I haven't changed anything because of TALKDONTREVERT so let me know your thoughts :) AlbusWulfricDumbledore (talk) 11:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]